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Should be a wild four years.

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If your $1,000 in debt, you have a problem, if your 100 billion in debt, the bank has a problem, if your north of 35 trillion in debt, who has the problem?
The national debt makes this question almost impossible to answer because it doesn't work the way normal debt does. It's basically just a way for the fed to plan to spend money in the future, since everything they do is long term.

The vast majority of the debt is owed internally to US taxpayers, corporations, and in some cases the government owing other parts of the government. These are the same people and corporations that the government taxes to pay these debts right back to them. So if debtholders "call in" this debt guess how the government pays for it? By taxing those very same people. The money never went anywhere and never ended up anywhere.
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Since the fed can print money and make laws, buying things by just handing people cash doesn't work. They have to give people a "stake" in the nation's well being because that gives people actual leverage over the fed, like selling stocks.

None of this is to say it's impossible for the national debt to be too high like a lot of Keynesian worshippers believe but the idea that the country is trillions "in the hole" and we all have to climb our way out isn't even just misleading but outright false. That debt clock thing that calculated "this is how much your family owes" is bullshit. You don't owe squat, the government owes you.

So to answer the question, everybody owes everybody else so nobody has a problem. It's just a bullshit way to decide what leverage different people have over the future. You might just say the debt is fake and gay.

Edit: I am starting wonder how much Elon understands this, most politicians lie through their teeth about how it works to get votes, but I'm starting to think Elon might actually be so dense he thinks we owe all of that to China.
 
The funny thing is, if that bill gave Elon billions for his EV subsidies, he'd be praising it and going along with it.
Solar and battery subsidies. He doesn't need EV subsidies anymore because his factories are all paid off, but solar panels and their battery storage are fundamentally unviable without subsidies.

Every Elon tweet about solar follows this pattern:
  1. Elon says solar is amazing and bitches about subsidies going away.
  2. Anon asks "if solar is so amazing, why does it need subsidies?"
  3. Elon reply-guy says "oil and gas get subsidies too, are you in favor of cutting those?"
  4. Anon says "yes, and by the way, what subsidies do oil and gas get?"
  5. Conversation dies.
 
President Trump just signed an Executive Order terminating the Syria sanctions program to support the country’s path to stability and peace.

On one hand, fuck muslims and everything about them, especially the way they're treating christians there. On the other hand, fuck china and this is going to piss them off something fierce so top kek.

Come to think of it this has been a shitty year for china's "axis of upheaval" or whatever it was called. Iran is buck broken, all of its proxies are buck broken, russia just hit an embarrassing 3rd year trying to take ukraine, assad's regime is gone, north korean soldiers in russia got addicted to porn and the myanmar rebels have been making small gains.

The china network's only win lately has been that pakistan had a better showing in the recent shit flinging contest, but even that's a win of indians over other indians which is barely worth mentioning.

So many examples of nobody coming to anybody else's back... Maybe I was wrong to think this but in the 2010s it felt like if any of these individual instances went hot, then the entire "fuck america" squad would come together and start ww3. That has clearly turned out to be complete bullshit.
 
Solar and battery subsidies. He doesn't need EV subsidies anymore because his factories are all paid off, but solar panels and their battery storage are fundamentally unviable without subsidies.
The only subsidies I want is for nuclear. Everything else can sink or swim like DSP thrown into a pool.
 
Since the fed can print money and make laws, buying things by just handing people cash doesn't work. They have to give people a "stake" in the nation's well being because that gives people actual leverage over the fed, like selling stocks.
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I love that the idea of FISCAL POLICY is now a "debatable" point of discussion.
So to answer the question, everybody owes everybody else so nobody has a problem. It's just a bullshit way to decide what leverage different people have over the future. You might just say the debt is fake and gay.
You got a little to cute with your own reasoning to realize how big of a logical hole you walked over. The debt is as real as the money is my friend, thats the rub. People loose faith that the debt is real its a VERY short trip to "Wait whats backing this piece of paper again?"

When the only thing holding up the world monetary structure is faith it becomes difficult to change any part of it short of divine intervention lest the people loose faith and cease to believe.
 
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Massie in trouble among Republican Primary voters as he seeks reelection Poll Results Kentucky04 GOP with write up

Kissimmee, Florida – With just under a year until the 2026 Republican Primary, incumbent

Congressman Thomas Massie appears to be in for a rough road ahead. When asked if voters

plan to vote to reelect Massie regardless of who runs against him, only 19% indicate support for

Massie while 47% indicate support for a challenger. Introducing the hypothetical of a Trump

endorsement of a challenger, Massie’s support falls to 14% and those supporting a challenger

rises to 59%.

As of the time the poll was in the field, there is one candidate, Registered Nurse Nicole Lee

Ethington, filed to challenge Massie in the Republican primary. In a head-to-head poll, Massie

trails Ethington 31%-19% with a majority of voters undecided. Massie’s 19% support matches

the pre-Trump endorsement ballot test against an unnamed opponent. With Massie continuing

to hit that 19% number, Ethington is likely the only one with significant room to grow in support

as her share of the vote is below the total number of voters that say they will at least “probably”

vote for a challenger to Massie.

The Republican primary electorate gives Massie a 23% favorable rating while 62% rate him as

unfavorable. At the same time, President Trump has an 89% favorable rating and only 9%

unfavorable. Further, 70% of primary voters consider themselves to be “MAGA Republicans.

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Man, I hate reruns.

Yes, a political party that cares about "the people". And by people, he means Pajeets he can import to work for pennies on the dollar.
At this point you need to ask yourself this
What is the bigger threat to Americans
1.dangrous immigrants that see Americans as evil and will ethically rape them into submission
2.spending
Both of these are bad yes, but the alternative is this
We get a spending bill that slight increases the debt but in return we half ass border and immigrantion policy thus achieving nothing and now one is happy.
 
The vast majority of the debt is owed internally to US taxpayers
Cool.

I don't care about Dr. Robotnik's magic money machine. What are they gonna do about it if it fails? I'll shoot them. Or the government will.

Then the magic number will magic itself to a lower number because none of it exists anyway. Magic is fucking awesome.
 
Haven't seen this posted yet.

Trump’s justice department issues directive to strip naturalized Americans of citizenship for criminal offenses​

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The Trump administration has codified its efforts to strip some Americans of their US citizenship in a recently published justice department memo that directs attorneys to prioritize denaturalization for naturalized citizens who commit certain crimes.

The memo, published on 11 June, calls on attorneys in the department to institute civil proceedings to revoke a person’s United States citizenship if an individual either “illegally procured” naturalization or procured naturalization by “concealment of a material fact or by willful misrepresentation”.


At the center of the move are the estimated 25 million US citizens who immigrated to the country after being born abroad, according to data from 2023 – and it lists 10 different priority categories for denaturalization.

According to the memo, those subjected to civil proceedings are not entitled to an attorney like they are in criminal cases. And the government has a lighter burden of proof in civil cases than they do in criminal ones.

The memo claims such efforts will focus on those who are involved “in the commission of war crimes, extrajudicial killings, or other serious human rights abuses … [and] naturalized criminals, gang members, or, indeed, any individuals convicted of crimes who pose an ongoing threat to the US”.

The directive gives justice department attorneys wider discretion on when to pursue denaturalization, including in instances of lying on immigration forms, cases where there is financial fraud or medical fraud against the US or against private individuals; and cases referred by a US attorney’s office or in connection with pending criminal charges.

The justice department’s civil rights division has been placed at the forefront of Trump’s policy objectives, including ending diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) programs within the government as well as ending transgender treatments, among other initiatives.

That comes as the US’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) agency registered its 13th in-custody death for the fiscal year beginning in October 2024. There had been 12 such deaths during the entire fiscal year that finished at the end of September 2024.

On Friday Jim Ryan, president of the University of Virginia, resigned amid an investigation by the justice department’s civil rights division. The investigation took aim at the university’s DEI programs and its continuing to consider race and ethnicity in various programs and scholarships.

The justice department also took the unusual step in recent days of suing 15 US district attorneys in Maryland over an order blocking the immediate deportation of migrants challenging their removal.

The justice department’s civil rights division is reportedly in disarray as its traditional mission – to combat racial discrimination after the civil rights movement – is reshaped by priorities stemming from the president’s executive orders. About 250 attorneys – or 70% of the division’s lawyers – were believed to have left the department in the time between January and the end of May, according to a recent National Public Radio (NPR) report.

The memo’s focus on denaturalization comes as at least one person has been denaturalized in recent weeks.

On 13 June, a judge ordered the revocation of the citizenship of Elliott Duke. Duke is a US military veteran originally from the UK who was convicted for distributing child sexual abuse material and had not disclosed the crime during the naturalization process.

Immigration attorneys are concerned that denaturalization cases via civil litigation strips some rights from the individual, including rights to an attorney as well as lowering the threshold of proof, and speeding up the denaturalization process.

“It is kind of, in a way, trying to create a second class of US citizens,” said Sameera Hafiz, policy director of the Immigration Legal Resource Center, to NPR.

Reporting from the Midwest, every school in the cities is full of goblinos, most of them citizens. We're running out of time.
 
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I love that the idea of FISCAL POLICY is now a "debatable" point of discussion.
Dog. Our so called betters don't give a fuck about Fiscal policy. They want to borrow from the future. They don't give a shit they're damning future generations because they won't be here when the roosters come home to roost.
 
Nuclear subsidies are for R&D. Solar/battery subsidies are for production. They're not remotely close to the same despite both being "subsidies".
R&D for nuclear is worth far much more than producing bullshit that barely works and is still somehow less recyclable than fucking glowing green goo from Fallout. I'd rather deny an industry subsidies and give them to the one that is necessary for current and future growth than the one that is lying constantly.
 
When the only thing holding up the world monetary structure is faith
This is the only thing that has ever held up any monetary structure. I have my problems with the way the fed does things, but money being fake and gay isn't unique to this system nor is the concept remotely new. It has been understood since the time of ancient Greece.

Gold has no more inherent value than cloth with a presidents face on it does, or little stones with holes in them. There's no magic system that transforms gold into exactly what commodity you want, its value is based on how many other people want it and whether or not those people have the things you're trying to buy, how much, etc. Not to mention gold has pragmatic applications as a conductor so deciding "it is worth this much and always will be" is ignoring the reality of how trade works.

Like i said, ignoring the fiscal reality causes problems on its own, but there's an important distinction between the fiscal economy and the real economy, and the national debt is almost entirely fiscal which has a very ephemeral nature to it. Because this is a place for haha funny i use the term fake and gay to describe that.
 
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