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His Holiness Pope Leo XIV and a delegation of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople pray at the tomb of St. Peter this morning, the Feast of the Holy Apostles Saints Peter and Paul.




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I understand that within the first couple centuries of 1054 the Eastern Churches made a couple offers for reconciliation. Without knowing too much of the finer details I bet Catholics are upset in hindsight that they didn't take the offer when they had the chance. Now theres been a thousand years of ecumenical councils and decisions made separate from each other which would have to be untangled before any sort of unity could be achieved, completely demolishing the possibility of unity.

The year 400 really was the peak of Christian unity and domination. The East, West, and Oriental Orthodox Churches (split in 451) were in full communion, Paganism had all but died out, as had Gnosticism, and Christianity's largest competitor in the monotheistic world, Islam had yet to be born. The Council of Nicaea was in effect and there was only one single unified Organization Religion left in the western world, which had just been made the official state Religion of Rome. It's a shame we couldn't maintain that level of unity and domination over the Religious landscape to the present day, though there is no doubt in my mind Christ is still at work in the world of Christianity today.
 
What do the kiwis in this thread think about Christian mysticism? Does it play a role in your spiritual life and practice?
 
I understand that within the first couple centuries of 1054 the Eastern Churches made a couple offers for reconciliation. Without knowing too much of the finer details I bet Catholics are upset in hindsight that they didn't take the offer when they had the chance. Now theres been a thousand years of ecumenical councils and decisions made separate from each other which would have to be untangled before any sort of unity could be achieved, completely demolishing the possibility of unity.

The year 400 really was the peak of Christian unity and domination. The East, West, and Oriental Orthodox Churches (split in 451) were in full communion, Paganism had all but died out, as had Gnosticism, and Christianity's largest competitor in the monotheistic world, Islam had yet to be born. The Council of Nicaea was in effect and there was only one single unified Organization Religion left in the western world, which had just been made the official state Religion of Rome. It's a shame we couldn't maintain that level of unity and domination over the Religious landscape to the present day, though there is no doubt in my mind Christ is still at work in the world of Christianity today.
The Fathers constantly called for, and prayed for, unity, and Pope Leo XIV appears to be continuing that great tradition. He kicked off his Pontificate with a call for unity within the Catholic Church, within Christianity, and across the world. I pray my staunch and unwavering support of the Catholic serves this purpose, and may the Lord forgive me for having taken part in divisive rhetoric.

What do the kiwis in this thread think about Christian mysticism? Does it play a role in your spiritual life and practice?
Long story, but mysticism is essentially what brought be to Christ, it's the core of my spiritual life. As I shared previously, Brother Lawrence, the Cloud of Unknowing, François Fénelon, of course, the Carmelite titans, St Theresa of Ávila, St John of the Cross, Padre Pio and St Thérèse of Lisieux are mainstays of my spiritual journey.
Theology was downstream from mysticism in my personal experience. Head-knowledge of God and the faith only served to confirm or infirm my direct experiences and debate non-Catholics online, seriously, if it weren't for you guys, I wouldn't know 1/100th of what I know now :heart-full:
 
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What is everyone's opinion on Redeemed Zoomer? Personally, I think he has some good intentions and qualities. My main gripe is that he sometimes misinterprets the positions of other faiths, most notably Catholics. His most recent video claimed Vatican 2 is infallible and that the Orthodox Church states that Islam worships a different god to Christianity. However when looking at the writings about the topic, he is quite wrong since Vatican 2 was pastoral and hadn't declared any new dogmas while many Orthodox Patriarch state the Catholic position that while Muslims do indeed worship the God of Abraham, they do not worship the same description of Him. Apparently the video was started with Jay Dyer arguing with a bunch of Catholics about this but I have yet to confirm or deny this allegation.
 
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What is everyone's opinion on Redeemed Zoomer?
Some good stuff from him, but he often comes off as an arrogant kid. Happens a lot with young people becoming famous in some sphere and they start to think a little too good of themselves.
Orthodox Church states that Islam worships a different god to Christianity.
Orthodox Patriarch state the Catholic position that while Muslims do indeed worship the God of Abraham, they do not worship the same description of Him.
That's the problem with these youtube theologians. Either they don't do enough research or they're one of those overly read know-it-alls who don't really know how to filter information.
Apparently the video was started with Jay Dyer arguing with a bunch of Catholics about this but I have yet to confirm or deny this allegation.
That happened just a few days ago on Cameron Bertuzzi's channel. I didn't watch it and I am not going to, but from the comments it was basically a shitshow, one of the Catholics lost his shit and so forth.
Cameron's not fit to moderate this kind of stuff and Dyer's a clown debater that always picks some rando point that he keeps pushing to avoid the topic. The whole thing was doomed to fail from the start.
 
What is everyone's opinion on Redeemed Zoomer?
There's no reason to watch his stuff if we are being honest. He's just a kid in seminary trying to do online apologetics (AKA religious bloodsports) while getting razzled with Catholicism and Orthodoxy. He just needs to focus on finishing seminary.

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Oh you seem to have misunderstood. I am skeptical of the claim that any of the Gospels were originally written in Greek. Christ didn't speak in Greek, and all of the Apostles would have had a better grasp of Aramaic or Hebrew.
There you go leaning on Greek again, when Christ did not speak Greek. If His words were meant to be best understood in Greek He would have spoke Greek. Making inferences that rely on a literal interpretation of Greek is dubious at best, especially if the result contradicts the long established views of better scholars.
Your, let's call it unusual, position on Greek not being the original writen language of any of the Gospels draws into question anything you say about them. P.S. claiming that "better scholars" are the ones that agree with you when the vast majority of Bible-believing Christian scholars do not agree with you does not strengthen your position.

What is everyone's opinion on Redeemed Zoomer?
Christians have largely failed to take on the task of using YouTube for effective apologetics tailored for the platform, so good on him for realising it as a much needed mission field.
 
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What is everyone's opinion on Redeemed Zoomer?
He tries to explain other Christian views, but he doesn't "get" them.
Take this diagram, for instance
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He left out:
  • The Real Presence in the Eucharist,
  • The Authority of Sacred Tradition,
  • The Seven Ecumenical Councils,
  • Mary as the Theotokos,
  • Intercession of Saints
And those are only the ones that should go into the small space that contains "Veneration of Saints." This show such a deep lack of understanding of core Apostolic beliefs, that it calls into question his ability to accurately portray various Christian views.

Recently he's been treading into lolcow territory, with his recent video on Joe Heschmeyer. If he doesn't correct course soon, he risks becoming the next James White. And by correcting course, I mean converting to Catholicism, notably due to his friendship with Christian B. Wagner. As of right now, those are the only two realistic option for him, because his Reconquista 2.0 isn't going as well as he thought it would.

That said, I appreciate his pioneering a new format with the little circles for each denomination, I've seen other creators use the same template for other topics. And he's one of the few young people putting out interesting content about Christianity in general, from a relatively neutral standpoint. I also appreciate his passion for traditional protestantism and his attempt at bringing back beauty and tradition (oh the irony) back into protestantism.
 
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Your, let's call it unusual, position on Greek not being the original writen language of any of the Gospels draws into question anything you say about them.
I may have been wrong about the Gospels other than Matthew being in Greek, but your failure to understand the nature of the Greek language (i.e. thinking the difference between petros and petras matters) calls into question anything you have to say about them.

P.S. claiming that "better scholars" are the ones that agree with you when the vast majority of Bible-believing Christian scholars do not agree with you does not strengthen your position.
Appeal to majority is a logical fallacy, and if we're only talking about whether they were in greek, then it doesn't mean they agree with your ridiculous interpretation either.

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I also appreciate his passion for traditional protestantism and his attempt at bringing back beauty and tradition (oh the irony) back into protestantism.
I know I said that denominational fights make me depressed, but now that I think about it, I feel this way only about those denominations that I know as being branched out for political reasons. So far, those, to me, are Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans and maybe some other classic reformed denominations, like Episcopalians, but I don't know much about them yet.

I'm growing more suspicious of everything else though, especially Pentecostals. An acquaintance of mine got into a (pseudo?)pentecostal cult and it really shows in her mindset and behavior. Whatever it is, it's your typical self-help personality cult, with some mentions of Jesus sprinkled on. I listened to some of their "sermons" and even on my current baby levels of scripture knowledge, I can point out how unbiblical all that is. No wonder her mental health went south too. Every Sunday I watch the contrast between what I'm getting at my church in the morning and what I see when I come back home, open a group chat, and see her talking about her "preacher" frying eggs and walking the treadmill during the "sermon". Or talking about random garbage that has nothing to do with Jesus.

I had no idea megachurches exist here. Visited their online shop and they got more books on finances, business, and grinder's definition of success than on... anything Christianity related. Absolute nightmare.
 
I know I said that denominational fights make me depressed, but now that I think about it, I feel this way only about those denominations that I know as being branched out for political reasons. So far, those, to me, are Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans and maybe some other classic reformed denominations, like Episcopalians, but I don't know much about them yet.

I'm growing more suspicious of everything else though, especially Pentecostals. An acquaintance of mine got into a (pseudo?)pentecostal cult and it really shows in her mindset and behavior. Whatever it is, it's your typical self-help personality cult, with some mentions of Jesus sprinkled on. I listened to some of their "sermons" and even on my current baby levels of scripture knowledge, I can point out how unbiblical all that is. No wonder her mental health went south too. Every Sunday I watch the contrast between what I'm getting at my church in the morning and what I see when I come back home, open a group chat, and see her talking about her "preacher" frying eggs and walking the treadmill during the "sermon". Or talking about random garbage that has nothing to do with Jesus.

I had no idea megachurches exist here. Visited their online shop and they got more books on finances, business, and grinder's definition of success than on... anything Christianity related. Absolute nightmare.
The Apostolic Churches are:
  • Catholic Church
  • Eastern Orthodox
  • Oriental Orthodox
  • Church of the East
The most "traditional" protestant denominations are Anglican/Episcopal, then Lutheran, and finally Reformed/Presbyterian, but their theology and disciplines can vary widely within the same denomination.

As for Mega Churches they are virtually indistinguishable from 1st century Christian worship. The Apostles drove Monster Trucks from Antioch to Ephesus to preach the Prosperity Gospel® in an air-conditioned arena:

Stay far away from the obviously unchristian liturgy below, note the complete lack of fireworks or PowerPoint presentations as the gregorian schola chants the Alleluia before the priest reads the Gospel.

Jokes aside, no protestant can ever complain about the sales of indulgences, that happened over 5 centuries ago by corrupt church officials, when we see what they do today.
 
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nigga deadass complaining about air conditioning in churches
 
I know I said that denominational fights make me depressed, but now that I think about it, I feel this way only about those denominations that I know as being branched out for political reasons. So far, those, to me, are Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans and maybe some other classic reformed denominations, like Episcopalians, but I don't know much about them yet.

I'm growing more suspicious of everything else though, especially Pentecostals. An acquaintance of mine got into a (pseudo?)pentecostal cult and it really shows in her mindset and behavior. Whatever it is, it's your typical self-help personality cult, with some mentions of Jesus sprinkled on. I listened to some of their "sermons" and even on my current baby levels of scripture knowledge, I can point out how unbiblical all that is. No wonder her mental health went south too. Every Sunday I watch the contrast between what I'm getting at my church in the morning and what I see when I come back home, open a group chat, and see her talking about her "preacher" frying eggs and walking the treadmill during the "sermon". Or talking about random garbage that has nothing to do with Jesus.

I had no idea megachurches exist here. Visited their online shop and they got more books on finances, business, and grinder's definition of success than on... anything Christianity related. Absolute nightmare
Sounds like you prefer the denominations that revere the sacraments.
Air-conditionism was condemned as a heresy by Pope Zephyr the Great in the late-7th century during the great Airian controversy at the Council of Fantioch
The real question is whether you prefer pews (cringe) or you stand for 95% of the service (trad and true)
 
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Vatican 2 is infallible
it is infallible. Just because it's pastoral doesn't mean it's not part of the Magisterium, and thus requires religious submission of intellect and will
Catholics can't just disagree with vat2 because somethings sound odd. Some of those things are even the tradition of the Church (like the fact jews and muslims worship the same God, or all the points made on the liturgy)
 
'm growing more suspicious of everything else though, especially Pentecostals. An acquaintance of mine got into a (pseudo?)pentecostal cult and it really shows in her mindset and behavior. Whatever it is, it's your typical self-help personality cult, with some mentions of Jesus sprinkled on. I listened to some of their "sermons" and even on my current baby levels of scripture knowledge, I can point out how unbiblical all that is. No wonder her mental health went south too. Every Sunday I watch the contrast between what I'm getting at my church in the morning and what I see when I come back home, open a group chat, and see her talking about her "preacher" frying eggs and walking the treadmill during the "sermon". Or talking about random garbage that has nothing to do with Jesus.
Moralistic therapeutic deism. It's everywhere.
 
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