Community Debate Ethics in VTubing, Model Design and Voice Acting, Loli and Loli-adjacency - Containment zone for third rail enjoyers

[Markass the Worst]

But you've done none of that, have you? All you've done so far is say that lolicons will eventually rape children as they become desensitized even though the slippery slope isn't real when it comes to government overreach.

We shouldn't even have to provide the statistics and history of lolicon. Nobody makes moral decisions that way unless it's something non obvious. How hard is it to accept that jerking off to children is jerking off to children?

I'm unconvinced by potential government overreach because I haven't seen a case where anti-lolicon laws were used to prosecute behaviour that wasn't pedophilic.

 

[WelperHelper99]

We shouldn't even have to provide the statistics and history of lolicon. Nobody makes moral decisions that way unless it's something non obvious. How hard is it to accept that jerking off to children is jerking off to children?

I'm unconvinced by potential government overreach because I haven't seen a case where anti-lolicon laws were used to prosecute behaviour that wasn't pedophilic.

Those laws aren't meant for normal people. Frankly the government doesn't like fucking using them, because each use risks taking those laws away in a SCOTUS case. The US is a weird place where the 1st Amendment AND Obscenity exist at the same time. The feds do not play that card unless they know they fucking have you and the public will give the OK. The assertion that it will be turned on (you) goes against centuries of precident and case law.

 

[Kivotos strongest Sensei]

I'm unconvinced by potential government overreach because I haven't seen a case where anti-lolicon laws were used to prosecute behaviour that wasn't pedophilic.

Government overreach is surrendering your personal autonomy for the perception of safety. It's how the US ended up with a ridiculous minimum drinking age. Allowed to drive at 16, fight and die for Israel at 17, fuck at 18, but drink only at 21. Ridiculous and arbitrary laws that aren't really followed but exist just so that the government can fine/arrest you whenever they feel like it.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Government overreach is surrendering your personal autonomy for the perception of safety. It's how the US ended up with a ridiculous minimum drinking age. Allowed to drive at 16, fight and die for Israel at 17, fuck at 18, but drink only at 21. Ridiculous and arbitrary laws that aren't really followed but exist just so that the government can fine/arrest you whenever they feel like it.

The drinking age law is most definitely followed, what are you talking about? It's not selectively enforced.

In any case, I can think that the drinking age is retarded while accepting a ban on lolicon. That is a coherent position to hold that doesn't violate consistent principles.

 

[4090 Chad]

The lolicons did both of these things. They still do. If you offend their interest, they absolutely mob you in a way no other group does. I don't get bombed by trannies or fags the same way you do lolicons. And if you do tolerate them (@Kivotos strongest Sensei) they show no humility. It's entirely about being in your face about how gross they are.

I am always kind of miffed about why they are so open and have no fear posting their degenerate art in the most open places on the internet and swarming people on social media who shit on them.

The Stop Killing Games initiative had that line about “Politicians love easy wins”… all it takes is one relentless Karen with political connections to potentially start the dominos to codify Lolicon as CP and illegal (not this grey area it currently is). When it gets challenged to SCOTUS, what are the odds that they’re going to take the lolbertarian position on this? Hell, they might not even grant it cert.

The aggressiveness and shamelessness of their behavior seems like it will eventually be their undoing, but I guess the gooning sessions cloud their judgement.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Unironically.

Actual nigger tier thinking. "Guys I want to goon to cartoon 'p because, I just want to ok?" "What? What do you mean you find that morally reprehensible and disgusting and think it's pedophilic? FUCK YOU GOYCATTLE, YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ME! YOU ARE CATTLE FOR NOT AGREEING WITH ME! REEEEEEEE!"

That's what you sound like. You sound like a complete and utter faggot.

 

[Kivotos strongest Sensei]

The drinking age law is most definitely followed, what are you talking about? It's not selectively enforced.

You make it sound like you've never been given beer / wine at a family gathering in your teens or had your older sibling buy you a bottle. It's a nearly universal experience.

In any case, I can think that the drinking age is retarded while accepting a ban on lolicon. That is a coherent position to hold that doesn't violate consistent principles.

Because those aren't the principles being violated. The principle being violated is your own personal autonomy by having the government arbitrarily decide when it's appropriate for you to be granted the privilege of alcohol, something which you get in every European country by default the moment you assume the responsibilities of an adult.

 

[Markass the Worst]

You make it sound like you've never been given beer / wine at a family gathering in your teens or had your older sibling buy you a bottle. It's a nearly universal experience.

By that logic, speed limit laws are arbitrary and retarded because of the many times that I have gone above the speed limit and never been pulled over, and so is basically every law in America that isn't stringently enforced to the maximum degree possible. You would be casting aspersions on 90% of laws by this standard.

Because those aren't the principles being violated. The principle being violated is your own personal autonomy by having the government arbitrarily decide when it's appropriate for you to be granted the privilege of alcohol, something which you get in every European country by default the moment you assume the responsibilities of an adult.

Are you babby's first lolbertarian or something? Yes, I can agree that my personal autonomy is being violated. It's also being violated when I'm not allowed to punch somebody (who hasn't done anything to me). So what? The important thing is that the harms of my personal autonomy being violated outweigh the harms (to me and to society) were it to be respected in that instance.

You can disagree if the tradeoff is worth it, but you have to actually make that argument rather than just cite the violation of personal autonomy.

 

[Null]

I believe that your personal autonomy should be violated as violently as possible.

 

[No-Eyed Square Guy]

I believe that your personal autonomy should be violated as violently as possible.

Marine would say this.

 

[Ayana Otonashi]

this nigga is still going wtf

 

[stupid fufu]

Finally a thread where I can air out my unfiltered thoughts about this whole retarded ass vtubing shit.

I literally, LITERALLY can't fucking stand vtubers and their fucking brand and their fucking retarded "omg so quirky!!! so random!! LOL sex!" persona they present themselves as. You literally have 3 fucking variants of these niggers that you'll come across
1. Loli nigger shit
2. Gooner nigger shit
3. Tranny gooner loli nigger shit

All 3 are fates worse than death. I fucking hate hololive, I fucking hate vshojo. Everyone involved in these companies should get raped in the darkest of allies and it should be the biggest and buffest super nigger to do it. If you follow this shit unironically and are interested you should consider going to home hardware and buying 5 feet of rope to hang yourself from you fucking retard. Job applications take less time to fill out and will be more fulfilling in your youth than jacking off your niggerdick to your oshi.

Loli faggot niggers like Shondo, Gawr Gura, that one 4chan one that admitted to jacking off to shit and incest porn (can't remember her name) are the biggest offenders in my eyes. All they are doing is jacking off the pedophiles while crying and coping and seething about "erm atleast it's me!!! they'd go fuck kids if it wasn't for me!!!" Nigga you're basically admitting that you're sexually attracted to pedophiles with this line. Almost like you wish you were the little girl being molested by a 40 year old man. Fucking disgusting.

Now the gooner nigger shit. What is there to say? It's literally just "ara ara sexi sexu moshi moan chat don't clip this!! chat pleaseeeeeee nooooo !!!! " It's retarded, gay, faggot, appeals to the lonely guy that could probably get a girlfriend if he stopped watching this retarded shit and got a job, haircut, and dressed better.

There's no ethics, there's no morality, it's either jacking off pedophiles or jacking off lonely men. Its an infinite cycle of goon and who gets outed as a pedophile or a weird sex pest each week. There's no entertainment to be had, it's just watching an anime girl with a "cutesy" voice scream at a video game with the mention of sex.

Idk what else to add I'm gonna go play cyberpunk

 

[Cryogonal2]

Finally a thread where I can air out my unfiltered thoughts about this whole retarded ass vtubing shit.

Wrong also not reading all that

 

[Burnt Fish]

, they love to post pictures that make people uncomfortable. If you piss them off they'd start bombing you with their collections in retaliation.

I am instantly reminded of the people cheering about Saba's lolicon baiting putting people off. "haha filtered by lolitummy"

what a crazy coinkydink for lolicons and 8chan pedophiles to share the same mindset.

 

[PonderosaPete]

What if there simply wasn't any ethics to it, and just all did that shit?

 

[WelperHelper99]

I am instantly reminded of the people cheering about Saba's lolicon baiting putting people off. "haha filtered by lolitummy"

what a crazy coinkydink for lolicons and 8chan pedophiles to share the same mindset.

My Twitter feed started getting filled by these fucking niggers, with all their gross cunny memes about the Saba avatar. TOURIST FILTERED, that shit. It's like, no rational person would be talking like this about a very accurate child character getting sexualized. It's gross, nasty, and they love talking about it.

Also the Lolicon considers the entire capital I Internet their home. Any area where there is dissent simply CANNOT be allowed. The Lolicon watch thread has been seethed about on 4chan more times than I can count, and we got archives and screenshots

 

[stupid fufu]

Wrong also not reading all that

I'm right because I say so c:

 

[The Lawgiver]

I am instantly reminded of the people cheering about Saba's lolicon baiting putting people off. "haha filtered by lolitummy"

I fucking hate these people. When I saw the saba thing initially before either fucking "side" of this shit I was just like "oh that's neat" because I do not see a stomach on what appears to be a kinda beach/summer style outfit and immediately think all the fucked up shit these people are clearly thinking. IMMEDIATELY after I see people going ballistic over the stomach shit either framing the existence of a bare stomach as immediate "AAAAA PEDO AAA AAA!" shit or "TOURISTS TRIGGERED AND FILTERED BY CHILD TUMMY" And I just get the feeling I'm gonna go postal someday.

Maybe it's due to me frequently going to the beach throughout my life since I was a kid and seeing people with that kinda outfit that I thought nothing of it but both sides give off an extremely fake and gay vibe. now I don't mean both sides as in "the people that hate pedos and the pedos" I mean "both sides of the people spinning shit as either extreme". Any sane person would see the fucking "kani krew" thing and be suspicious though. I saw it and thought "this is ether likely an intentionally cursed reference or just a genuine cursed thing going by Internet humor but I don't fucking like it". That's not what I see people bringing up though! IT'S THE FACT A BEACH THEMED ANIME MOCAP THING HAS A BEACH OUTFIT WITH AN UNBUTTONED ALT STATE, OR THE FACT IT EVEN HAS A BEACH OUTFIT TO BEGIN WITH. How the hell does this happen? They took something that would be an incredibly obvious pedo tell, and fucking didn't even use that as the main focus for claiming something's pedophillic! I rambled about this already once somewhere else I think but it keeps bothering me more and more.
It's summer now, It's hot and humid as hell outside. I keep SEEING people in outfits like the saba one because without that or a Tank top/shorts they'd be boiling the fuck alive in this heat. I'm kind of reflexifly coming up with schizo theories about the outfit outrage or the claims of people being "filtered" by it being started as a kinda controlled opposition outrage machine sort of deal because roughly 80% of the people I see talking about that shit on either side of the spin machine don't bring up the fucking KANI CREW SHIT.

Please excuse the rambling, my ass has been dead today and despite being in an air conditioned building most of the day somehow i'm out of it like i've been outside in the heat and it's been that way since I woke up. This reminded me of something and I'm not going to skim the 21 pages right now to see if it's just redirected slapfight infighting or if someone already brought up this shit that's been eating at the back of my mind since this shit sparked up.

what a crazy coinkydink for lolicons and 8chan pedophiles to share the same mindset.

You're acting like these are 2 separate things when the behavior is the fucking same and they post the same shit everywhere. Kinda gay, at this point it shoudl be pretty clear they weasel their way in fucking anywhere they can. It's not a coincidence, they are the same people. They do not have a specific site and infest every corner of the Internet in a manner similar to other later plagues. Pedos tend to be the oldest of online plagues.

 

[stupid fufu]

I fucking hate these people. When I saw the saba thing initially before either fucking "side" of this shit I was just like "oh that's neat" because I do not see a stomach on what appears to be a kinda beach/summer style outfit and immediately think all the fucked up shit these people are clearly thinking. IMMEDIATELY after I see people going ballistic over the stomach shit either framing the existence of a bare stomach as immediate "AAAAA PEDO AAA AAA!" shit or "TOURISTS TRIGGERED AND FILTERED BY CHILD TUMMY" And I just get the feling I'm gonna go postal someday.

PREACH NIGGA PREACH HOLY FUCK I HATE THESE FAGGOTS JUST AS MUCH AS YOU

 

[cheesed to meet you]

Maybe it's due to me frequently going to the beach throughout my life since I was a kid and seeing people with that kinda outfit that I thought nothing of it but both sides give off an extremely fake and gay vibe.

I sorta liken it to the difference between a child wearing a swimsuit at the beach and photos of a child wearing a swimsuit being posted online. Obviously there is nothing sexual about a child in a swimsuit but because pedophiles exist its best not to post pictures of your child on the internet in swimwear where they can easily end up in the wrong hands. In an ideal world Saba would be able to have that model and everything would be fine but because weirdo lolicons and pedophiles exist she will be sexualized. Its the fact that she chose that model knowing that is the case and actively panders to them that makes it worse. Its intentional. She didn't choose that model just because its cute she chose it knowing her audience is full of cunny loving weirdos.