Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[enaR]

It's amazing how many Fediverse instances have to carry a massive banlist

Isn't this the primary purpose of the new generation of federation? There's much simpler or older options you can use instead if you don't care about that. The Fediverse mostly seems to exist to generate even more troon drama

 

[Looking Glass]

I'm somewhat surprised no one has made the Pozzed Public License yet, that allows anyone to use a piece of software except for an increasingly large list of banned individuals and organizations.

https://firstdonoharm.dev/


https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/56
Sad to see it. Being shared everywhere by Wayland shills of course.

 

[Can of Bread]

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/56
Sad to see it. Being shared everywhere by Wayland shills of course.

Look at this absolute retard, confusing the xor sign for pow. You'd think it to represent pow on calculators or something. And he's honestly a turbopleb for using pow on a power of 2 instead of just bitshifting it. As you can see I'm an absolutely amazing programmer, and metux is just a dumb retard.

Jokes aside, it makes me sad that people dogpile on shit like that. No one knows everything, and everyone makes mistakes. The wayland circlejerking gets on my nerves. Trying to maintain old libraries with bug fixes is perfectly reasonable, especially since wayland isn't without its issues, code-wise but more so drama-wise. I get that most don't want to have to support both wayland and X, but the solution is to just...not do it.

 

[Cuckoman]

Look at this absolute retard, confusing the xor sign for pow. You'd think it to represent pow on calculators or something. And he's honestly a turbopleb for using pow on a power of 2 instead of just bitshifting it. As you can see I'm an absolutely amazing programmer, and metux is just a dumb retard.

Jokes aside, it makes me sad that people dogpile on shit like that. No one knows everything, and everyone makes mistakes. The wayland circlejerking gets on my nerves. Trying to maintain old libraries with bug fixes is perfectly reasonable, especially since wayland isn't without its issues, code-wise but more so drama-wise. I get that most don't want to have to support both wayland and X, but the solution is to just...not do it.

At least he owns it and even jokes about it (the t-shirt ask). Humility and accepting and owning your silly mistakes makes him look a lot more positive in my view.
I would rather work with someone that owns a silly mistake, learns from it and never repeats it than a tranny that would stubbornly refuse to admit any mistake they make and would perpetually argue on why they never made the mistake.

Now, he is not a low-level systems programmer and bitwise xor is very uncommon to use so if I would interview him and he made this mistake I would note it but it would not be an automatic fail. If he would mess up bitwise and, or or not, which are very commonly used, that would be an automatic fail but not xor which is mostly an un-used novelty.
That is if we are interviewing for a low-level systems engineer or a network protocol implementor. For application programmers I doubt they even know what bitwise logic is and would not expect they know it.

 

[Looking Glass]

Look at this absolute retard, confusing the xor sign for pow. You'd think it to represent pow on calculators or something. And he's honestly a turbopleb for using pow on a power of 2 instead of just bitshifting it. As you can see I'm an absolutely amazing programmer, and metux is just a dumb retard.

I don't think the person who made the PR had any ill intent, rather the troons looking for anything to nitpick.

I get that most don't want to have to support both wayland and X, but the solution is to just...not do it.

This is what most people who aren't troon drama whores do. You don't hear them because they aren't screaming in your face but there's plenty of Wayland-only or X-only software. Usually you see this whenever the software needs to do more with the display server than GUI toolkits provide a standard interface to do.

Now, he is not a low-level systems programmer

To be fair, I would consider the X server to be fairly low level.

 

[CrunkLord420]

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/56
Sad to see it. Being shared everywhere by Wayland shills of course.

Reminder @dec05eba is a KF user, lmao.

 

[Ferryman]

To continue the trend of kvetching about dumb hair-splitting retards, I was not aware that Phoronix had such deranged commenters. Case in point: their article about the newest release of Libreboot (archive). The OP is what you'd expect, but the comments are pretty entertaining, to say the least. They fail to ever get a proper conversation off the ground because an FSF dickrider immediately starts arguing with a muh trannies guy, entirely missing the point of what should be modern discussion about Libreboot: not so much their decision to incorporate minimal instead of no proprietary blobs, but what the actual technical implications of that are. I hate that every core/libre/gnu/whatever-boot discussion boils down to hair-splitting about what blob goes where and dumb schoolyard drama. At this point any difference in the extent to which modern and old Libreboot neuter the ME's capability as a remote access / spyware tool is purely philosophical. There is no practical difference between the ME present on a T480 vs something like a T440p. But the hair splitting continues because people love to be retarded.

Side note: does anyone have any practical experience with bhyve? I want to run FreeBSD cause I hear its native virtualization software is super efficient compared to stuff like vmware, qemu or virtbox.

 

[306h4Ge5eJUJ]

Sad to see it. Being shared everywhere by Wayland shills of course.

Deservedly. It means the head maintainer of a massive C codebase (that runs as root no less) doesn't know basic C operators and doesn't test shit. If this was any other project people here would be mocking the shit out of it.

 

[Lard Shart]

It is good practice to avoid political forks regardless of whether you agree with the politics. They seem to always be run by an unstable or incompetent person.

 

[YoRHa No. 2 Type B]

It is good practice to avoid political forks regardless of whether you agree with the politics. They seem to always be run by an unstable or incompetent person.

They also tend to fizzle out pretty quickly too, once the initial buzz dies out.
Waiting for some time before making a decision on XLibre looks to be the approach taken by conservative distros like Debian and Slackware. And it makes sense.

I really hope XLibre can be popular long term, but only time will tell.
Even if only for proprietary software (which is almost entirely using X, and doesn't run well under XWayland) and older programs that don't play nice with Wayland.
It would be very funny if the X servers on Windows become the best way to run old Linux software if X11 truly dies off on Linux.

 

[Rancid Xylitol]

Side note: does anyone have any practical experience with bhyve? I want to run FreeBSD cause I hear its native virtualization software is super efficient compared to stuff like vmware, qemu or virtbox.

It's true the BSDs have a lot of advantages re: clean architecture and so forth. However, it's pretty telling that many of the developers own Macs and use FreeBSD only in a VM. They have fallen increasingly behind in hardware support vs. Linux, so it's a good idea that you carefully vet any virtualization host you build to ensure hardware compatibility. That being said, once you are complete, you can enjoy a nice clean BSD system, including native ZFS.

 

[Mikoyan]

It's true the BSDs have a lot of advantages re: clean architecture and so forth. However, it's pretty telling that many of the developers own Macs and use FreeBSD only in a VM. They have fallen increasingly behind in hardware support vs. Linux, so it's a good idea that you carefully vet any virtualization host you build to ensure hardware compatibility. That being said, once you are complete, you can enjoy a nice clean BSD system, including native ZFS.

It's telling that even the ixsystems guys are soft (or not so soft) leaving behind FreeBSD for the 'new generation' of TrueNAS.

 

[Ferryman]

It's true the BSDs have a lot of advantages re: clean architecture and so forth. However, it's pretty telling that many of the developers own Macs and use FreeBSD only in a VM. They have fallen increasingly behind in hardware support vs. Linux, so it's a good idea that you carefully vet any virtualization host you build to ensure hardware compatibility. That being said, once you are complete, you can enjoy a nice clean BSD system, including native ZFS.

I already have, but thank you for your concern. I actually intend to use a BSD as a daily driver for a while, and will be hosting it on a T480 thinkpad, which as far as I can tell is fully compatible with both Open and FreeBSD. The only reason I led with FreeBSD is due to concerns over gimped wifi speeds when using OpenBSD. I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, though I did get the best wifi card they currently support (AX210). I know OpenBSD also has its own native virtualization software but have not really researched it just yet, so my only BSD-native virt knowledge comes from the significant praise bhyve gets.

 

[Gatdam Animal Person]

Not to break your fun, but would adding Wayland equivalents to X features be a good way to fix current Xwayland issues? I'm aware that Wayland protocol need to be supported on each individual applications in order to make use of it, and xwayland seems to be THE candidate for this.

 

[enaR]

would adding Wayland equivalents to X features be a good way to fix current Xwayland issues?

I mean yes but the whole point of Wayland is that they weren't going to do that out of some ODD-esque opposition to it on principle

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

It's telling that even the ixsystems guys are soft (or not so soft) leaving behind FreeBSD for the 'new generation' of TrueNAS.

I mean was there any reason to use BSD instead of Linux for NAS in the first place besides ZFS licensing issues? And those have mostly been resolved. I'm about to make the switch myself.

 

[Mikoyan]

I mean was there any reason to use BSD instead of Linux for NAS in the first place besides ZFS licensing issues? And those have mostly been resolved. I'm about to make the switch myself.

Any real reason? Not really. Before zfsonlinux got good it was reason enough though. And the IXsystems guys were serious BSDheads.

 

[CrunkLord420]

I keep remember stuff about kaniini (Ariadne Conill) that I just assume everyone knows because it's common fediverse knowledge, but maybe not here. He's is a member of the FOSS cry-bully cabal, associating closely with Hector Martin, Drew DeVault, Liz Fong-Jones. He was also associated with #DropKiwiFarms, encouraging people to attack and exploit @Null's network equipment. I want to say Kaniini started treehouse.systems (fediverse server), I just assume everyone on there is some sort of safety cry bully who should be avoided at all cost. My personal head canon is they hang out all day in a discord goon cave conspiring to attack people and projects.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Watching from afar, I got the impression that FreeBSD had sort of a revival in the hardware department because they're now just straight up using the linux drivers with a shim, at least for GPUs. Otherwise, FreeBSD sadly lacks a lot of the advanced linux features I became accustomed to, like namespaces and cgroups, and doesn't seriously have directly mappable equivalents (although jails aren't bad). If you have exotic hardware you cannot get to run in linux, there's nothing stopping you in running a tiny VM with a linux kernel and running the hardware that way. I did that with a wlan card when I was playing around with FreeBSD or a bit. I liked it, but I didn't make the switch because it just felt too "lesser" to what I was already used to.

The xlibre guy doesn't need to be good at programming. His most important skill will be autistic dedication and people skills for getting people on board and keeping the project running as an endeavor of equally dedicated people, making the right management decisions. I'd even go as far as to argue that his programming skills are not all that important compared to that. If it stays a one-man project it's doomed to fail anyways.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

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