Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Echinacea]

I hate jadzia. This triggers people somehow. but she just comes across as snooty to me and all the other characters kissing her ass was even more annoying. Yes we know she used to be curzon. Ugh

And then they try to reinvent her as some badass warrior who gets drunk with klingons. That was even more irritating. I smiled when dukat smoked her

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Fuck, Janeway cucked both the Borg and the Q didn't she?

They could have at least made her a villain Mary Sue, but no.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I hate jadzia. This triggers people somehow. but she just comes across as snooty to me and all the other characters kissing her ass was even more annoying. Yes we know she used to be curzon. Ugh

And then they try to reinvent her as some badass warrior who gets drunk with klingons. That was even more irritating. I smiled when dukat smoked her

They should have written her as the gambling alcoholic schizo shrink, someone that is an inherent outcast and has been banned from most establishments in a fifty light year radius for drunken schizo ramblings. Basically, a sexy version of Alex Jones that also somehow is mostly correct on the 'bigger picture'-shit. Blame the writers for not thinking about that kino option at all.

 

[Echinacea]

They should have written her as the gambling alcoholic schizo shrink, someone that is an inherent outcast and has been banned from most establishments in a fifty light year radius for drunken schizo ramblings. Basically, a sexy version of Alex Jones that also somehow is mostly correct on the 'bigger picture'-shit. Blame the writers for not thinking about that kino option at all.

Her character sucks and she's an obnoxious know it all.

If the actress herself wasn't attractive, nobody would like the character.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Her character sucks and she's an obnoxious know it all.

As I said, they should have written Dax differently. Thing is, her being the 'know it all' was kind of the point. They just botched it, because they couldn't figure out a way to make it stick. By the time they finally got a feeling for the character it was roughly time to murderise her.

If the actress herself wasn't attractive, nobody would like the character.

I don't know. I appreciate the concept of a species that can get a second brain implanted that serves as a giant memory bank and everything you do with that will be remembered. There were some nuggets of quite good sci-fi in the various Dax-focused stories.

Anyway, wait until you see what they do with the Trill in STD. I promise you, you gonna miss Jadzia and her self-centered bitchy antics.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Her character sucks and she's an obnoxious know it all.

If the actress herself wasn't attractive, nobody would like the character.

The problem is the writers didn't know what to do with her. They ended up making the character a jack of all trades, master of none.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The problem is the writers didn't know what to do with her. They ended up making the character a jack of all trades, master of none.

She probably should have been written like Guinan or leaned into the Curzon element of her character where she's often a drunk, yet incredibly insightful, senior officer. Making her a junior officer doesn't give her the authority that she needs to be a dick to everyone and get away with it.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

She probably should have been written like Guinan or leaned into the Curzon element of her character where she's often a drunk, yet incredibly insightful, senior officer. Making her a junior officer doesn't give her the authority that she needs to be a dick to everyone and get away with it.

Jadzia leaning into Curzon would have made her awesome. As a character, Ezri felt more focused. Also, she was cuter.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Jadzia leaning into Curzon would have made her awesome.

He would have been the final boss in alcoholic drinking contest that decides the fate of the quadrant.

 

[William Murderface]

The problem is the writers didn't know what to do with her. They ended up making the character a jack of all trades, master of none.

They don't know what to do with most of the characters. That's the problem with an ensemble show like Star Trek. With TOS, the focus was Kirk, Spock, and McCoy and the other characters came an went as needed, but they all had their moments. With TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, and the others, they have to find stories for everyone, but then they also have fan favorite characters they must put front and center, so a bunch of the others end up as second stringers. The writers don't know how to make them interesting, in part because they don't have time, and in part because they love to fall back on that A-Story/B-Story paradigm.

If I were making VOY, Paris would be my Han Solo. Shit hot pilot of anything from a starship to a paper airplane, indispensable but he doesn't care about rank or regulations or carrying out orders. A rogue who is just as willing to go for the phaser as bluff his way out of a bad situation, a man who is street smart but gets into trouble because he doesn't think it through. Instead we got Tom Paris.

Likewise, my Merriweather would have been in every bar and whorehouse and spaceport between Earth and Altair 9. He knows everyone in the spacing game. The first question Archer asks at a new planet is if Merriweather has been there before. Neelix isn't comic relief; he's Hawkeye from Last of the Mohicans. He's Janeway's Indian guide, and he might not be there forever, but he's said he'll get them part of the way home...but he has a secret motivation. Janeway is captain, but she just expected to be in charge of a science vessel and going after the Maquis ship, much less being stranded 70,000 LY from home wasn't on the agenda. She's in over her head. She has to rely on the leader of the Maquis, Chakotay, a veteran officer who resigned from Starfleet after some planet was gifted over to the Cardassians and they genocided the humans still on the planet and the Federation did jack shit. He's bitter, he could easily take Voyager, but he takes it upon himself to train the crew and train the captain because he thinks it's his duty to do so. He's hard but fair.

Stuff like that.

 

[William Murderface]

She probably should have been written like Guinan or leaned into the Curzon element of her character where she's often a drunk, yet incredibly insightful, senior officer. Making her a junior officer doesn't give her the authority that she needs to be a dick to everyone and get away with it.

Or have her keep trying to be familiar and friendly with Sisko, but she's not Curzon and he resents the way she undermines his authority at times, but he she/Curzon just doesn't care and keeps doing it until it gets someone killed.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Holy fucking shit, VOY's pilot is such a weird acid trip, I almost forgot about all the weird shit in there... WHAT WERE THEY THINKING.

 

[AnOminous]

Technically, we already had someone like that in TOS. He was also a child like Cartman.

In at least one of the novels, Trelane is of the Q Continuum himself.

 

[Mystery Spy]

I'm personally not a fan of retconning Q to be mortal like they did in Picard (Only watched the Q clips and skipped that show). Q bragged pretty much every time we saw him about being omnipotent and immortal.

They tried to salvage it by implying he can time travel or whatever, leaving the door open for him to show up again. But making Q mortal not only contradicts earlier episodes but also robs them of their mystique. Turns out the Q who committed suicide in Voyager just had to wait a bit longer.

It also undermines a deeper message. Being like the Q is the ultimate temptation, yet humanity refuses to worship them and chooses to overcome adversity on its own terms. That’s what made Riker’s rejection of their powers in TNG so powerful. Even if all those humans could have had access to omnipotence and immortality, they’d rather grow on their own merits. The Star Trek universe is dangerous and our heroes still would rather be mortal than immortal like the Q. That's how it used to be.

 

[Screamer_2]

We all know what happened, Patrick's influence on the story. He's old and reflecting on his own mortality. Season 1, his characters does that and dies. Comes back as a robot.

Season two, what if Q was facing his mortality and Trump gets elected again and the mortality of the USA.

Season 3, get Patrick the fuck out of the writers room.

 

[JustSomeDong]

They ended up making the character a jack of all trades, master of none.

I don't know...

It sure felt like every Dax episode was basically "my nth host was a genius scientist/pilot/engineer/diplomat/gymnast/Honorable Klingon Warrior and I'm here to save the day! Also, neutrinos and shit."

Part of me likes Jadzia, part of me doesn't. Also, Jadzia always had kind of a "teehee I was impulsive as hell despite lifetimes of wisdom. Good thing it all worked out anyways! Even though we all went through a bunch of bullshit, we all grew a little. YOUR WELCOME!" thing going. Its not like she wrote herself, but what a dumb impulsive bitch, sometimes.

Ezri was introduced as very flawed. Still kinda shitty, but better written, and her character was more a result of where the writers took the Trill because of Jadzia, and so, its at least a bit more forgivable and relatable.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

"teehee I was impulsive as hell despite lifetimes of wisdom. Good thing it all worked out anyways! Even though we all went through a bunch of bullshit, we all grew a little. YOUR WELCOME!"

>be Dax
>be on a long recon mission in the Gamma quadrant
>everyone wants to go home
>detect some weird readings
>"checking this stuff out can't hurt, right ben ^.^"
>it's temporal bullshit, kira gets zapped, the ship is heavily damaged
>ohshit.gif
>"we are being hailed"
>oh nice, it's your offspring
>"but how is that possible"
>"timey-wimey bullshit, don't think too hard"
>go down to the surface with the others
>find out that whatever zapped kira will kill her in like three days
>"haha alright, xD"
>future-past dax gives "i'm full of shit and you shouldn't trust me"-vibes
>trust him anyway
>find out that worf started a death cult two centuries ago
>o'briens are everywhere, and somehow bashir managed to get his dick wet, too
>odo is even more of an incel
>quark is a holographic teacher, nice, lol
>get into a fight with your offspring
>more bullshit happens, yada yada
>odo helps you escape because he maintained his boner for kira for over 200 years (bless that man)
>over 9,000 people vanish because of that
>tfw



Sometimes I get awfully tired of her bullshit shenanigans.

 

[JustSomeDong]

Sometimes I get awfully tired of her bullshit shenanigans.

 

[Mystery Spy]

I liked Jadzia, but I’ll admit Terry’s charm carried her a long way in making the character likable.

Early on, the writers were betting heavily on the “alien feeling” of a young woman being referred to as an “old man” and being so knowledgeable. But that didn’t land as much, because Star Trek isn’t a stranger to smart, young-looking characters. So they mostly relied on Sisko reminding us she used to be an old guy to sell it.

Her being immature and mischievous was a feature, not a bug—and she was especially at her best when Worf was around. He was so serious, and she was the opposite; they brought out the best in each other. The fact that she carried so much baggage, knowledge, and life experience, yet still broke the mold by being playful—instead of philosophical and speech-prone like, say, Picard—made her interesting and unique.

She was meant more as a “fun friend.” She wasn’t the adult in the room like Janeway. For all her experience and knowledge, she was one of the crew, one that would play with the holodeck, gossip. and go for drinks after work. I never got the feeling Dax overall was a responsible person—and neither was Jadzia. And I felt that was intentional. I get why some people might not like her, but I think that’s just a matter of taste.

 

[Cnut]

I can't remember it's been a while so can someone refresh me, but what excuse does Ezri give seeking out the Siskos in New Orleans? Why are some past relationships forbidden when others aren't? Is it just for trill + trill?

I'm thinking it would have been better no Ezri, then them seeking out the new Dax host who says "sorry but I don't want to associate with you." That would have been some harsh drama and fewer lovesick shenanigans. Especially if the new host was male, what would Worf say?