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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Made In Wales]

I think Reform could do worse in government. They could attempt to do something about the issues at hand (unlikely on their current trajectory), and be viscerally incompetent at it as the institutions run rings around them. This would not only fail to solve the issues but at the same time would poison the idea of being able to vote for a better alternative government by not voting for legacy parties.

Or, Reform UK could well be the ones who finally say 'to hell with what you want, the people matter.'

'Oh but the UN will set foot on British soil, we'll be a pariah state..'

Nope, not happening.

Farage has to make it work, there's no 'maybe' option.

Anyway, que sera sera.

 

[Coolio55]

@Turkey Beef
The rainbows show arrogance against God whereas the black cap shows humility.

 

[Smyrna]

Or, Reform UK could well be the ones who finally say 'to hell with what you want, the people matter.'

I freely concede that we have different beliefs on how sincere Reform are in their desire to be reformatory. But, if we assume that they are completely sincere, desire is only part of the puzzle. The Blairist rot is now so deeply bedded into all parts of government and society at large that removing it without collapsing the state will be complex work. I don't see anyone in Reform with the intellectual heft or even the work ethic needed to grapple with that. 4 years is a long time, and maybe people of the calibre required will bubble up before the next election. But it won't be people like Jake Berry.

It is for that same reason that I am not entirely trustful of those who say that, for example, all you need to do is pass a Great Repeal Act to undo all of the constitutional damage, because even if you do that you are still reliant on the judiciary, which is now completely infested with foreigners and fifth columnists, to interpret the laws as they are meant, and trust them not to find and exploit any loopholes, which would be naive to say the least. A Great Repeal Act is necessary to start the process of repair, but it cannot be the finish.

 

[Kier Starmer]

I hope everyone is going to enjoy their amazing 17 migrants, who can legally bring their families over. They can also claim additional benefits. Where are they going to go Kier, you fucking retard. Does this mongoloid even think of the affects like on the welfare and NHS. Which are about to lose their 30 billion surplus in one go because you could not tell junior doctors no. They want a 51% in 2 years, THE EVERLOVING FUCK!

Reform are the Greeks bearing gifts, they cannot even hold 5 MPS, how the fuck are they going to hold 325. I do like Pochin, though, and I hope she defects to Lowe's group.

 

[Made In Wales]

I've always considered myself a monarchist, just for the traditionalist "we don't want a President" type arguments.

But yeah, fuck this shit. First we get Charles the Islamist, and now fag Buckingham Palace. Just bin it. I could never sing "God Save The King" without fucking it up and saying "Queen". Just let it die with Liz.

Unless Wills is super, SUPER, based....

Edit:

Oh I just saw that quote by Prince William. Forget it. Get it binned.

Unless Wills was compelled/forced to say that by somebody else, I agree - we need to end the Monarchy if they will not serve the Indigenous Peoples.

@Smyrna

The actual long-term success is something which we may only see as old men, but it will be worth it and given the choice of gambling everything on Nigel or sticking with what we have (Worse and Worse) then I am firmly behind Nigel.

It will take 20+ years to undo the rot properly, but the sooner (if/when elected as PM) Nigel gets on with the task then the sooner the rot can be undone and removed.

A successful first term will then make it difficult for any other parties to compete, and by then I believe that the Lib Dems will have got tired of Davey bleating 'but muh EU re-join' and replaced him with a younger and more sensible pragmatic leader who will realise that the only way to beat Reform UK is on the economy - if the economy is good, the debt is low or has gone, then we'd walk the GE after being elected if there is no credible alternative from the opposition government/coalition.

I get that a few people say 'you're way too optimistic, it won't happen' but I also say 'why is the script the way you think it is?' The world changed with the appointment of Trump as #47 and with it I believe a desire for more global right-wing and based/sensible politics.

This has only been amplified by Reform UK succeeding and bettering the incumbent government, and in just a year we've gone from five elected MP's in July 2024 to being the people's choice and topping the Ipsos, Mori and other polls - we're where Labour should be, but instead Labour's attitude is 'fuck the people, poor lives don't matter'. Reform UK are saying 'you all matter' and therefore as the party of empathy and compassion they rightly deserve praise for how well they've done.

Reform UK is attracting ex Tory MP's but it's also attracting ordinary people from Socialists and TradGreens to TradCons and even some on the real Far Right (Britain First/BNP etc.) Basically, anybody who believes in Britain is welcome in the parish where we have real diversity, equality and inclusivity.

 

[Kier Starmer]

Charles alone needs to be done away with in a ritual where we use Yvette Fielding to conjure the ghost of Prince Philip, or Diana strikes him with a phantasimal car.

 

[Made In Wales]

Charles alone needs to be done away with in a ritual where we use Yvette Fielding to conjure the ghost of Prince Philip, or Diana strikes him with a phantasimal car.

He doesn't look that well, I think he may 'go' or be 'retired' soon.

Wills gets one chance to get it right, or I'll be agreeing with Republic.

Charles, like Starmer, has been one bloody bad let down.

 

[Malikov]

I think my pro monarchy sentiment died with the Queen tbh. I was thinking about this the other day and very quickly realised that the only reason I could give for not abolishing the monarchy was that it would make a lot of people I don't like really really happy (Guardian readers, professional Irish, professional Scouse etc.)

 

[>IMPLYING]

I see it as just self-preservation. They're effectively powerless, and have no actual responsibilities besides being a living ornament meant to prop up the ruling party as much they can, and their continued existence appears to just be a combination from societal indifference and inertia. I doubt they'd ever be openly against something the government does as I'm pretty sure the moment they do, "republicanism" would instantly become party policy of whoever's leading the government for having been spoken back to. The moment an anti-immigration party is in charge, the monarch will say some platitude regarding the "importance of our borders", despite it contradicting their laissez-faire attitude under the pro-immigrant administration prior and so on. There's not enough actual discord for the king/queen to just say "fuck it" and dissolve parliament (assuming they'd have the mettle to do such a thing to begin with), and they kind of fade into the background more or less.

My only reasons to keep them are largely rooted in tradition — also fuck changing our nation's name if we ever got rid of them, or adopting a fuck-ugly Tricolour; I'd rather kill myself.

Keeping them around means they could potentially serve an actual use in the future, but that's probably require the parliament(s) to surrender a tincture of authority to them and codify some assurances that secures their position regardless of what minimal authority they exercise, which is unlikely to happen. If we get a constitution of sorts which promises some rights, make it the monarch's prerogative to protect those rights, then that'd give the monarchy some actual purpose again. Otherwise they're just beholden to the parties, the military, and remaining popular or indifferent to the people. Charles will say "Muzzies are the tits!" one day, but he'll build also Poundbury.

Knowing he has no actual power makes his remarks and actions just that of a wealthy celebrity in effect. Elon Musk has, indirectly, done more to affect the UK's politics and policy than Charles has, which is only slightly less sad than the fact the same statement could potentially apply to Elizabeth II as well.

 

[Made In Wales]

@>IMPLYING Normally, only HM King Charles can dissolve Parliament, but only when asked to by the PM.

The only occasions where I believe HM can automatically dissolve Parliament, though with MP's consent is when one of the following happens:

* The serving PM is arrested for committing a criminal offence (in which case, the Deputy PM may take over as interim PM and call for a GE with Parliament's approval in order to get the support of the people).

* There is no longer a Majority Government but a Minority Government and no 'confidence and supply' deal can be reached with other parties.

* The PM dies in office or enough of his MP's die in office resulting in a Minority Government as above.

In the case of point three, this would mean any surviving Labour MP's would have to agree with other parties to have a snap GE and the most senior Labour member would then be tasked with asking HM King Charles to dissolve Parliament.

If HM King Charles dissolved Parliament, without seeking the opinion of the PM, this would set off a major constitutional crisis and Parliament could even challenge the power of the monarch with a snap election on its future. Therefore, the 'trade off' is important as neither the Monarch nor the PM has 'the upper hand' and both need each other mutually.

The Monarchy does need to toughen up, and I hope that the future King William V understands that if/when Nigel becomes PM that the mood of the nation will have changed and that he acts accordingly as well. I know that Jennie Bond said, a few years back, that William has met Nigel and 'got on quite well with him personally' therefore there is hope.

 

[Snackbarism]

Some more Reform UK news - Sir Jake Berry MP defects from the Tories and joins Nigel and co:

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/jake-berry-former-tory-chairman-defects-reform

Archive: https://archive.is/b2Wqu

I think whilst it's inevitable, the problem is that Reform is being filled up with Tories, and with that comes the watering down of policies, then again look at what Nigel is doing, he is clearly being influenced by bad actors who want him in line with the usual lot, rather than actually reforming policy and such. Can't risk upsetting people and all that.

Yes, there are some former MPs who would have the knowledge to turn a fringe party into an actual government machine, but you don't want too many otherwise it's just a gravy train comeback. Reform still have logistical issues that need to be addressed, they need to get people in the Lords, but unfortunately that means more Tory defections, and watch that they'll cuck out on reforming the sleepy red bench chamber too, just like Starmer did when he went from cleaning it out to only getting rid of hereditary peers and eventually, the over 80s. The upper house needs reform (no pun), but those there will obstruct anything from happening so it's either defections or a deal with the Tories to pass laws.

Just look at Sarah Pochin, she was an ex-Tory, and the stuff about her before, plus she backed assisted dying and is against the death penalty. But at least she had the balls to bring up the burka, somewhat redeeming her in a way, but everyone knows what happens when you're around Nigel, once he's had enough he figures out a way to dispose of you as seen in the past. Farage is against the noose too yet there would no doubt be enough Reform MPs in 2029 to push for a debate about it, in line with Lowe's "exceptional circumstances" proposal, where crimes along the lines of Axel Rudakubana would win an entry pass to the gallows, rather than just murderers by default.

That's why people are looking towards Rupert Lowe, even though there is more chance of pigs flying on Mars than him actually getting anywhere right now. Too many don't trust Farage and he is well known to bail out so quickly, and the last thing Reform needs is Zia Yusuf as the party leader, but watch as it'll happen, upsetting core party followers.

Not sure if it was posted here yet but supposedly Reform have watered down their criteria for being considered as candidates, no doubt a reaction towards Lowe and Habib. They want people who failed vetting before to try and have another go and hope that Hope Not Hate don't have a melty about your social media history this time around.

Also regarding the monarchy, you'll find a lot of people were pro-Crown whilst Elizabeth was on the throne, not so much Charles. But people know that he won't be there for long so you really need to wait for William to see what happens if people want to boot them out or not. But as warned by many, if you introduce a presidential system, you'll end up with another ex-MP getting another gravy train ticket and a big pension. Would you want Tony Blair or Sadiq Khan or any of the other ilk as the head of state? Surely not...

 

[Rapesputin]

We are told the sole point of the British monarchy is to preserve tradition for the sake of national unity. Yet the Royal Family aligns itself not with traditional values, but with degeneracy and depravity:

Amerimutt here, but I cannot understand the purpose of such a display. They're pushing conservatives (i.e. the monarchy's traditional supporters) aside to try to win support among leftists, whom I can't imagine supporting a heckin' rayciss and imperyaliss institution when a wholesome 100 socdem parliamentary republic is on the table. Am I misunderstanding the situation or are they just retarded?

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

The PM dies in office or enough of his MP's die in office resulting in a Minority Government as above.

Legitimately the only way I'd gain respect for Kier.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

1. What happened in the 90s? The 80s seemed like a stable decade all thoughout?

80s had mad recession but good music and films. Nobody wanted sissy girly men.

2. What the fuck happened in 2010s? Some of them literally went from 30% support to 70% support in like 5 years.

The normies flooded onto the internet.

We're again brought back to the same question.

What's the worst that reform could do? They can't do any worse than nothing / encouraging it. Which is what the other two options are.

Reform are now the Dr Pepper party. Vote for us because what's the worst that could happen?

Reform and Labour are two paki parties having a slap fight. It's a cointoss to see which one sides with the 'greens' or 'independents' and forms a coalition party.

 

[Frostnipped Todger]

Can anyone suggest anywhere in the UK which is predominantly white for a short break, please?

I don't want niggers or pakis ruining my break.

Mull. Just spent a week there. There were a few Indians, but most of the non-anglosphere tourists seemed to be Spanish and French.

Am currently on Skye, it seems much more "diverse". Public toilets are disgusting, people don't know how to walk on the left side of the fucking footpath, constant jabbering on there phones ON SPEAKER in nature, while everyone else is trying to get a bit of shush.

I'm heading up to Thurso today, hopefully the wind off the North Sea will have blown them all back to England.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

I'm heading up to Thurso today, hopefully the wind off the North Sea will have blown them all back to England.

If you’re taking the coastal route try nip over to cape wrath lighthouse but be warned the bus driver from the ferry is mental.

 

[Le b0wski]

I wish there was some sort of 'catch up' exam that could be given for people who absolutely know the subject inside out but require the qualification.

Given that the average retard can't now wire a plug, change the battery in a smoke alarm, unblock a sink etc just having some basic level of competency in anything is now a million miles of red tape. Don't know what happens when all the people who needed 2 years of training to do the most basic tasks have retired and it's not just a lack of brickies or whatever but even basic maintenance people can't find anyone.

 

[Overly Serious]

We're again brought back to the same question.

What's the worst that reform could do?

Redirect all the built up anger and desire for change into unproductive channels and defuse it all without the change people want actually happening.

Democracy is a tool to channel public anger into safe dead ends and slowly defuse it. The pressure valve on the boiler that lets off steam now and then so that the pressure never gets high enough to cause damage.

It's why I said previously if people want change, continue to hold out for someone who will actually give them that like Rupert Lowe rather than be played into "well it's closer". Often times, "closer" makes things harder to achieve long-term. It's more like settling. And once you've settled your chance of actually getting what you want gets lower.

To put it another way, what's the worst that Reform can do? Persuade people that it's more achievable to accept moving in the wrong direction more slowly, than to actually change direction.

 

[They were once men]

We are told the sole point of the British monarchy is to preserve tradition for the sake of national unity. Yet the Royal Family aligns itself not with traditional values, but with degeneracy and depravity:

tbf the english royalty has always been a little bit depraved

 

[Eddie Riggs]

tbf the english royalty has always been a little bit depraved

Look at his faaaaaace