US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[More AWS-8Q Than You]

Bruh he’s in the ‘Trump was totally a pedo with Epstein’ camp, you know, the one where the gate has a sign saying “beware of the retards” hanging on it.
Despite:

• Trump being the ONLY person to willingly help Bradley Edwards in 2009:
• Trump ejecting Epstein from Mar-a-Lago in 2008 and cutting all ties with him after Epstein allegedly molested a young girl on staff:
• Trump having ZERO records tying him to Lolita Island:
• Trump obviously being attracted to grown model-type women (Ivanka, Melania, Carla Bruni, and um, Stormy among others):
• Virginia Giuffre testifying that Trump was not one of the men who molested her:

They continue this line of accusation… while ignoring Podesta and Clinton both visiting the island, the Bidens owning a similar island a short boat ride away, and a who’s who of ultra rich libshits also in Epstein’s pocket.

Has Trump disappointed me personally by not releasing the info Bondi said she had “on her desk”? Absolutely. But there is fuck-all circumstantial or supporting evidence for Trump doing anything untoward, around Epstein or otherwise.

Oh, I know, but I was actually curious if there were people debating these things or it was just the usual claims made from thin air. Normally I wouldn't give the "You need to read this book," people the time of day, but this one actually indexed every mention of Trump and Mar-a-lago. I will say that I still don't believe Trump banged Stormy, I want to say she actually had to admit that in one of the court cases, but the press don't care. Karen McDougal though? Shit, I hope he banged her.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

I remember this rhetoric after January 6 and yet here we are. I think the Epstein shit hasn't been handled well but you guys are being too hyperbolic.

Yeah I don't see it affecting elections in any meaningful way. The schizophrenics on patriots.win and everywhere else are still going to be schizophrenics, the administration will catch a significant amount of flak, and Pam Bondi is very likely going to be forced out in the near future, but nationally I don't expect much to change. I also give coin flip chance that this causes Benjamin Black to have his appointment rescinded due to all of this.

If anyone is curious why the Democrats are harping on it in Congress currently, beyond just scoring political points, it's because Trump's appointee to head the Development Finance Corporation is pending confirmation by the Senate. Black's father, Leon Black, was friends with Epstein and paid millions of dollars over several years for "tax services" and whatever else. I don't think Leon or his son have been explicitly accused of anything, from what I can tell their "friendship" was purely in relation to mutual business interests, but I think the obvious implication is they want to try and drum up enough discontent to get his appointment pulled.

 

[Fapcop]

We already have one Fatpacks in the thread, not sure we need another.

It’s what you get when Trump constantly cucks out and listens to the RINO faggots dripping poison in his ear.

I’d rather have a dozen @Fatpacks than one faggot going “NOOOO!!! It’s totally a 5D chess move! By forgetting all the Epstein promises, Trump is lulling the deep state into a false sense of security hehe!”

Bruh he’s in the ‘Trump was totally a pedo with Epstein’ camp, you know, the one where the gate has a sign saying “beware of the retards” hanging on it.
Despite:

• Trump being the ONLY person to willingly help Bradley Edwards in 2009:
• Trump ejecting Epstein from Mar-a-Lago in 2008 and cutting all ties with him after Epstein allegedly molested a young girl on staff:
• Trump having ZERO records tying him to Lolita Island:
• Trump obviously being attracted to grown model-type women (Ivanka, Melania, Carla Bruni, and um, Stormy among others):
• Virginia Giuffre testifying that Trump was not one of the men who molested her:

They continue this line of accusation… while ignoring Podesta and Clinton both visiting the island, the Bidens owning a similar island a short boat ride away, and a who’s who of ultra rich libshits also in Epstein’s pocket.

Has Trump disappointed me personally by not releasing the info Bondi said she had “on her desk”? Absolutely. But there is fuck-all circumstantial or supporting evidence for Trump doing anything untoward, around Epstein or otherwise.
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Folks always seem to forget that Trump was the only one who went to the police voluntarily after Epstein’s first arrest to try and help.

He’s clearly not a pedo.

But cucking out on the Epstein files is deeply disappointing.

(If there really wasn’t anything there, there are much better ways to go about it than “Wow, you still talking bout this guy?!”)

It’s ESPECIALLY disappointing when it comes on top of so many other cases of Trump cucking out.

*Tarriffs.
*Bringing up amnesty for illegals.
*Sucking up to Lindsey Graham and trying to get him reelected.
*Getting involved with Iran.
*Calling Zelensky, the man who disrespected him in the WH, and humbly trying to apologize and explain why he doesn’t have 1000 patriots.
*The whole retarded “no weapons for Ukraine, nvm! We’ll send them weapons!”

Far from being some genius politician and negotiator, it’s increasingly obvious that Trump is a sucker for any RINO telling him he’s amazeballs, and always listens to whatever the last person he talked to, told him what to do.

It could have been a transformative presidency. Instead we get more of Trump 1.0

Disappointing. Oh well, I guess there’s always Vance in ‘28.

“But Muh mass deportations!”

Yeah whatever. If Trump isn’t talked into amnesties by Graham & co., which he probably will, it’ll all get fucked in the courts. Dem judges will jam up the machinery, while Trump is distracted by whatever bullshiat Graham and Netanyahu feed him.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

*Bringing up amnesty for illegals.

Trump has not actually ever brought up mass amnesty. What happens is Trump says "Hey, we're working on X" and every unstable retard on the planet immediately assumes he means mass amnesty. And then it's never mass amnesty. Because the man who has Stephen Miller running half the government at this point and increased ICE's budget by over 20 times is obviously going to cuck out about amnesty. For reasons. Never any actual evidence, Trump never actually says anything that directly or indirectly indicates amnesty, just assumptions by blackpillers because all y'all don't believe in winning.

 

[marlimar]

Democrats are the REAL racists

They are and always have been though...

 

[deleuzeon]

Trump has not actually ever brought up mass amnesty. What happens is Trump says "Hey, we're working on X" and every unstable retard on the planet immediately assumes he means mass amnesty. And then it's never mass amnesty. Because the man who has Stephen Miller running half the government at this point and increased ICE's budget by over 20 times is obviously going to cuck out about amnesty. For reasons. Never any actual evidence, Trump never actually says anything that directly or indirectly indicates amnesty, just assumptions by blackpillers because all y'all don't believe in winning.

Trump did talk about letting agriculture business owners "vouch" for illegals and turn them legal a few weeks ago; I wouldn't call that a mass amnesty, but I would call it something like conditional amnesty. However, it hasn't actually materialized as far as I know, and meanwhile just yesterday we saw a huge California weed farm raided by ICE agents with Black Hawk helicopters. Trump says a lot of things and he does a lot of things, and the things he does are only somewhat related to the things he says. Being unpredictable is core to his style of negotiation and leadership, as known to everyone who read Art of the Deal™.

 

[DumbDude43]

Trump did talk about letting agriculture business owners "vouch" for illegals and turn them legal a few weeks ago; I wouldn't call that a mass amnesty, but I would call it something like conditional amnesty. However, it hasn't actually materialized as far as I know, and meanwhile just yesterday we saw a huge California weed farm raided by ICE agents with Black Hawk helicopters. Trump says a lot of things and he does a lot of things, and the things he does are only somewhat related to the things he says. Being unpredictable is core to his style of negotiation and leadership, as known to everyone who read Art of the Deal™.

the 'compromise' solution to farm stuff would be temporary/seasonal work visa programs (which i'm pretty sure already exist)

 

[Fapcop]

Trump has not actually ever brought up mass amnesty. What happens is Trump says "Hey, we're working on X" and every unstable retard on the planet immediately assumes he means mass amnesty.

Thing is, it’s not a fluke or something that just happened once.

This is the second time Trump brings up some kind of amnesty program for farm workers, which tells me there’s someone consistently whispering in his ear about this.

For now Miller is on top of things, but for how long?

Is it going to be another tariff cuck out? Or another Ukraine 360?

Shit, Trump went from “no more weapons to Ukraine!” And talking about hundreds of billions wasted to “Of course we have to support them!”

But instead of being rightfully worried or calling out Trump, some of y’all are so invested in Trump that when the immigration zigzag comes, you’ll probably defend it.

“We’re kicking out SOME illegals! By giving an amnesty to farm workers Trump is going to steal Democrat votes and keep the economy going! MUH FIVE DEE CHESS!”

Trump did talk about letting agriculture business owners "vouch" for illegals and turn them legal a few weeks ago; I wouldn't call that a mass amnesty, but I would call it something like conditional amnesty.

That’s the problem. Someone is whispering in his ear about this, and Trump is fucking terrible at letting RINOs close and listening to them because they flatter him.

WHY is a neocon piece of shit like Graham literally running foreign policy?

Given Trumps record of doing 360’s I wouldn’t be surprised if Miller eventually gets ousted, Trump will explain how he wasn't ACKSHUALLY MAGA, and put some RINO in his place.

And some of y’all are going to fucking defend it.

“Ackshually it’s not a mass amnesty. It’s a CONDITIONAL amnesty! Trust the plan!”

the 'compromise' solution to farm stuff would be temporary/seasonal work visa programs (which i'm pretty sure already exist)

Oh hey it’s cool y’all! The same people who have been breaking the law for years by hiring them, will “vouch for them”.

And what does that even mean? Pace’s wife will still shart out half a dozen of brand new brown American citizens, no matter if someone is “vouching” for Paco or not.

 

[Cromwell]

For everyone's convenience I have compiled in this post every video I could find about Steve Bannon talking about Epstein and the documentary that he said he would make with the 15+ hours of interview footage with Epstein. The name of the documentary is allegedly "The Monsters: Epstein's life among the global elite" I doubt this will ever see the light of day now. But I want to spread some awareness of this. There is no excuse for the cowardice demonstrated by the Trump team in regards to Epstein.

Steve Bannon confirmed the interviews with Epstein and revealed his plans for a documentary on the sex predator in a statement: 'I am a documentary filmmaker conducting what was 15+ hours of a planned 50 hours of open ended no holds barred interviews with Epstein for a 8 to 10 hour expose on his deep relationships with the global elites in finance, science, education, medicine, politics and culture.'I’ve never media-trained anyone ever—much less Epstein. I did advocate for him to do a “60 Minutes” interview and others that he needed to account publicly for his actions and to explain how he got away with it.'Epstein’s perversions and depravity toward young women were part of a life that was systematically supported, encouraged and rewarded by a global establishment that dined off his money and his influence. 'My film will make this crystal clear.'

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

Trump did talk about letting agriculture business owners "vouch" for illegals and turn them legal a few weeks ago; I wouldn't call that a mass amnesty, but I would call it something like conditional amnesty. However, it hasn't actually materialized as far as I know, and meanwhile just yesterday we saw a huge California weed farm raided by ICE agents with Black Hawk helicopters. Trump says a lot of things and he does a lot of things, and the things he does are only somewhat related to the things he says. Being unpredictable is core to his style of negotiation and leadership, as known to everyone who read Art of the Deal™.

This is the second time Trump brings up some kind of amnesty program for farm workers, which tells me there’s someone consistently whispering in his ear about this.

I've pointed out, twice now, that Trump, when stopped and asked about it, has said it's Rollins and Miller working together on streamlining the H-2A visa process, not amnesty. Of course, no one ever uses that particular clip because they want the weak willed to assume he means amnesty and to lose their shit about it.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Given Trumps record of doing 360’s I wouldn’t be surprised if Miller eventually gets ousted, Trump will explain how he wasn't ACKSHUALLY MAGA, and put some RINO in his place.

And some of y’all are going to fucking defend it.

“Ackshually it’s not a mass amnesty. It’s a CONDITIONAL amnesty! Trust the plan!”

You're literally just making up nonsensical fantasies to get mad at.

 

[Fapcop]

I've pointed out, twice now, that Trump, when stopped and asked about it, has said it's Rollins and Miller working together on streamlining the H-2A visa process, not amnesty. Of course, no one ever uses that particular clip because they want the weak willed to assume he means amnesty and to lose their shit about it.

And you still haven’t addressed the main point…

Given how Trump has cucked out numerous times on election promises: Tarriffs, Epstein, Middle East, Ukraine, what are the odds of Trump NOT also cucking out on this?

Ffs, the Pentagon says there is a critical shortage of Patriot interceptors, and Trump doesn’t just beg the Germans to spare some, he also GETS ON THE PHONE with Zelensky to “explain” the situation. (Lolwut) And afterwards tells the press that of course he’s going to send “defensive” weapons there.

But lemme guess: Despite Z disrespecting him in the White House, despite all the complaints about Biden sending hundreds of billions to Ukraine, despite Trump previously repeatedly stating that there’ll be no more freebies, he’s totally just 5D chessing everyone?

Perhaps, supporting Ukraine was ALWAYS MAGA?

Some of you folks are like out of 1984.

You're literally just making up nonsensical fantasies to get mad at.

Orly?

Remember how he attacked Tucker, who’s been behind Trump from day one, as not actually being MAGA?

And he’s far from the only one. Musk, the guy who was supposed to be head of NASA.

Shit, just look at all the loyal staffers from the first Trump administration who got snaked.

 

[marlimar]

The Deep State wanted him gone. I swear a few years ago it actually came out that John Dean had been working for the FBI the entire time and he's the guy who pointed the finger at Nixon while the rest of the Dirty Tricks team refused to flip. Also, they'd compartmentalized things so that Nixon wasn't actually aware of what they were doing, just Nixon was too decent a person to leave "his people" hanging. Liddy may have been crazy, in a fun way mind you, but he respected the hell out of Nixon for that. I miss that old bastard.

You mean to tell me that Nixon was being truthful about his propensity for being a crook?

 

[inetsone]

it was just the usual claims made from thin air.

The irony in this statement. You straight up don't get who has the burden of proof here do you?

You dipshits literally can't read and love to strawman. I legit can't tell if you're this stupid or being paid. At no point did I say he was a pedo. We can talk about Clinton's intel links all day if you want. I said start with that book to enter the chat. As other Kiwis have mentioned, this is not some isolated event here.

You dumb fucks are STILL following a NYC liberal. YOU ARE A FUCKING LIBERAL. Get it?

Now seriously MAGAs, fuck off with your cope and bad faith arguing.

 

[DumbDude43]

Given how Trump has cucked out numerous times on election promises: Tarriffs, Epstein, Middle East, Ukraine, what are the odds of Trump NOT also cucking out on this?

only internet politispergs care deeply about ukraine or middle east shit. as long as trump doesn't launch an invasion somewhere, it doesn't matter one bit if he bombs the mullahs or gives missiles to ukraine, it's inconsequential. of course browns and third worldists will mald, but who cares lmao
epstein is outrage bait for conspiratards. everybody with a bit of common sense understands that if you run a criminal enterprise like he did, you don't keep incriminating evidence like a 'client list' around in written form. expecting some "here's a list of all the people who fucked kids on my island" document to turn up is retarded. unless you somehow manage to get maxwell to talk, nothing more will come of this case.
tariffs are being implemented. some are in place, some are still being negotiated. if you're mad that there aren't 5000% tariffs on everything yet, that's a you problem, the overall situation is moving forward in the right direction and that's good enough for a reasonable person.

 

[Stoneheart]

Trump did talk about letting agriculture business owners "vouch" for illegals and turn them legal a few weeks ago; I wouldn't call that a mass amnesty, but I would call it something like conditional amnesty.

getting them temp worker visa isnt the worst idea. they are already there and trained, so why send them back and import fresh ones? it will take along time to replace them with robots.

 

[deleuzeon]

getting them temp worker visa isnt the worst idea. they are already there and trained, so why send them back and import fresh ones? it will take along time to replace them with robots.

Personally I would prefer the businesses have no other option at all but to hire and train Americans at the minimum levels of pay and taxation mandated for all actual citizens.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

You know I almost was going to tell you to fuck off

That is mean! Don't do that.

Altho

FUCK OFF. YOU FUCKING SHITFUCK FAGGOT. FUCK YOU FUCKING DIE FOR THIS.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

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Everyone involved was a goddamn fed in one form or fashion.

even the guy that covered it for washington post;
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it was also old bob's first story, he just happened on it.
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And more specifically, the Burglers that were CIA assests were Cubans or anti-Castro Americans who played Cuban Adventurers. The implication with them, and everyone involved overall, was that they were against Nixon because they perceived him as being soft on Commies and wanting to end the Vietnam War. The MIC and glowies wanted the Forever Wars to continue so the money would flow, and Nixon frustrated them.

There was a British PM who was taken out in similar circumstances in the 70s as well. Also JFK was trying to end our early involvement in Vietnam right before he was domed.

Nixon played into their hands perfectly. He was very intellectual, perhaps the most intelligent President of the past 75 years. But he overthought things and was so concerned with the propriety of the Office of the President his natural instinct was to cover up something he legitimately had nothing to do with and did not know of or sanction in the first place.

Had he come clean to the American people as soon as he found out about the burglary and said "Some of my people apparently did this thing, I'm going to investigate it and prosecute them fully, I disavow their actions and apologize to the American People that I may have set up a culture that led to this in my White House," there's a chance he might have moved on and finished out his term with some low approval ratings but still been able to complete his agenda.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

ok, seriously trump, what's going on with you this week?
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Lindsey Graham is awesome! Just a happy birthday message for a friend. Chill.

He's an alright guy and I'll go to bat for him against any one of you. We need to arm Ukraine now and get this shit done.