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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
I worked with a girl for a few months who came in as an admin who was waiting for her start in the police.

Good looking gym bunny with no personality but she was tiny.

One punch from 99% of men would have destroyed her. I don’t care how much training she’d get in the force but nothing short of a black belt in jujitsu would be needed by her if she ever needed to restrain just me.

I don’t understand why the elites are pushing this or why some women are so retarded they think they can do the actual job.

Maybe she thought she’d get fast tracked to being an inspector but good looking gym bunny with that even everyone else has a degree now.
Fact is we're in the "institutional denial" stage, which much like institutional racism is a real thing, it's a rot.
There's plenty of little copes that make it last longer; the degree push makes it much easier to kick people upstairs/keep them doing "important" desk work, the little wahmens are never ever put on response (if they are they either fucked up or someone else did), and violence is haram.

Assuming it's not straight to stabbings, direct action violence is actually extremely hard to actually get an officer to (properly) commit to, because of how many "escalation levels" have to be gone over. Poor fucks are expected to mentally go through an entire fire safety assessment in their heads everytime some tosser so much as squares up to them lol. This for liability reasons, liability is something private corporations should be worried not the goddamn police.
No idea what happened to her but I wonder if the police will start having the same dropout rate as teaching?
Already do lol, and from what I hear the probation fail rate is sky high too, since they have the unfortunate tendency to get caught gross-misconducting with the old warrant badge flash "I'm an officer" trick to muscle in on things like parking spaces and drug dealing corners.
 
Assuming it's not straight to stabbings, direct action violence is actually extremely hard to actually get an officer to (properly) commit to, because of how many "escalation levels" have to be gone over. Poor fucks are expected to mentally go through an entire fire safety assessment in their heads everytime some tosser so much as squares up to them lol. This for liability reasons, liability is something private corporations should be worried not the goddamn police.
If the police are faced with violent burglars, muggings, or terrorism or assault I want them to be able to wade in and kick the shit out of people. Yes there should always be oversight. No they shouldn’t be allowed free rein to kick the shit out of anyone for anything. But we can’t have unarmed police who are afraid to response to threats to life and limb because of racism, or paperwork.
neuter the police, stop them combatting real violent crime. Set the criminals loose on the populace to subdue them. Set the police on the populace for thoughtcrime. It’s not ok is it?
 
NEVER too big to fail, NEVER EVER, foundations of sand and all that.
True, but too many rich people have too much money tied up in HSBC for it to fail out of the blue. Smaller banks would go first
why some women are so retarded they think they can do the actual job.
Unpopular opinion but it's fact, they do it for the dick. Notice the type of women who join the police, the share the phenotype with only fans whores.
Power+Attention+Men in uniform = slag magnet.
God damn, how much money have the Chinese been printing off?
As I've sperged about for years in numerous threads, the money men have moved to China, and they did it just before COVID, using COVID as a transfer of western wealth to China.
Where did the PPE come from that ended up in landfills? China.
Who rinsed the tax of citizens to pay for it all? Western governments
Who paid billions to china for masks, gloves and coof-protection? Western civilians.

That's before we get into international grants and 'giving away' thousands of mines in Africa and oil in the mid-east.
 
It’s not ok is it?
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I hate to rip-off Sumerian clay tablets moaning about the world being doomed, but minor bright spot; it was kinda always like this.
Oldsters like my dad just love to reminisce, about when the coppers would just give the reprobates the truncheon-knee-special, but they don't remember so fondly the bad bastards who'd murder people with axes in car parks and get away with it, that's the sort of thing that used to be regular. It's still around today of course (shoutout Wayne "the rapist" Couzens) just not in the exact same way.
Be 🌈, even after queef stomper is (legally) tried and (legally) executed and you're installed as Supreme Governess For Life there will still be some dark undercurrent making everything terrible for us all to moan about!
 
How much of this is the left's obsession with blaming Russia and how much is saying prepare for Muslims trying to take over without saying the banned words?
Alright, let me sperg on Russia for a moment:

Russia hate is a cycle, we hate Russia now because of what they're doing to Ukraine but when the war is over we (and most of Europe) will drop to our knees and suck Russian cock to get cheap Russian gas. Crimean war = Russia bad, end of Crimean war = Russia good, Communism/WW2 = Russia bad, end of WW2 = Russia good, Cold War = Russia bad, Fall of Berlin Wall = Russia good, Ukraine invasion = Russia bad.

It always happens without fail because the government never fully commits to severing any future reliance on Russia. We could have gone all in on Nuclear in the 90s and have multiple functioning nuclear reactors working right now that were providing enough cheap power that isn't dependent on any other country, Steelworks would be profitable, industry would be profitable, and Wetherspoons would have enough cheap energy to keep the 3 small plates for £9.95. But we don't because that's a long term issue and no government wants to do all the hard work only for another government 15 years later to reap the benefits of it, so it's just putting a plaster over the problem and importing cheap energy from a nation that will spergout every 30 years or so.

I'm sure you all remember while Obama was President he mentioned that Russian hate was based on Cold War fear and yet merely years later the same wet leftists were whining about Russia influencing the Presidential election. I guarantee you in 15 years time the same people who are calling for air defences, bombs, nuclear shelters etc. to keep us prepared for IMPENDING RUSSIAN STRIKES!!! will be the same people wondering why a generation of Europeans are xenophobic about Russians when we're back to sucking their cock again. You can tell this because we've been hammering home that we're not actually allies with Ukraine, we're just funding and supplying their defences and no bombs are designed to go into Russia. We COULD just give them arms, funds and training unconditionally but we know it'll be a sticking point in renegotiations when the war is over.
 
I would doubt that when women first joined the force they were sent to drunk and disorderly type stuff, but perhaps I’m wrong. VERY few men of my generation would swing at a woman, that’s changed too.
There's a lot involved with what's got us to where we are but I think four of the biggest parts are;

The police became an acceptable target for the activists and media with the government leaving them out to dry - obviously there are times when it is entirely justified to call the police out for bullshit. But the Chris Kaba one even more so than the Manchester airport incident shows the utter unreasonableness. He was trying to kill officers with a car and got shot, resulting in so many articles screaming about how he was "unarmed" that I would literally have to replace the tyres on my car halfway through running every single person who sprouted that as though cars are like a pillow in terms of their killing potential.

Despite a more diverse police force male officers overwhelmingly end up getting the most official abuse - tying into the above but also the airport stuff because the average male officer can do more damage than the average female ones and also end up in those situations more often. This is because-

Despite claiming differently the police do deploy male officers where possible to violent situations - as you noted, ultimately the average female officer is smaller and weaker than her male colleagues much as is so for the average woman. In no way am I going to sneeringly attest that no woman can overpower a man or that every single barely upright lout can only be handled by a REAL MAN but on average male officers are better suited for situations where violence is all but assured. This is known by all parties but pretended not to be the case and results in resentment from male officers for not getting acknowledgement for this and from deluded female officers who thing they can do everything their two feet taller colleagues can.

Policing by consent is dead - this is the biggest one of all but most significant. If you look at the airport trial the officers getting the grilling are pointing out time and again that the crowd was actively hostile and helping the criminals. The average person on the street now if not actively hostile to the police either fears the consequences of getting involved or is more interested in internet fame by capturing the action.
While the fallout from this affects male officers more than female, see the first point, in the moment female officers suffer more because they often need the public's help more. I'd go into details on it but given the recent video posted I think that speaks for itself.

Anyway.
Gas mask, chainsaw, possible bomb
Officers attended a property in Hollingbourne, Kent, at about 19:15 BST on Monday to arrest a man on suspicion of assault.

Police bodycam footage shows a man wielding a chainsaw and holding another item, which officers believed at the time to be an improvised explosive device (IED), according to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC).

Kent Police confirmed a firearm was used to shoot the man and said the incident was not related to terrorism.
Armed officers were deployed during the attempted arrest when the man refused to come out of the house, according to the IOPC.

The agency said police fired a baton round at the man before he took cover behind a hedge.

"Officers moved in and a police dog was deployed," a spokesperson said.

"The man ignored orders to put down the chainsaw and a second baton round was discharged and then, seconds later, he moved towards officers and was shot by an officer with a conventional firearm."


The man, aged in his mid-30s, was taken to hospital with injuries to his arm and abdomen.

His injuries are not thought to be life-threatening, but life-changing, the IOPC said.

Weapons were found at the address and the bomb squad "made a device safe", the IOPC said.

IOPC director Amanda Rowe said: "Police shootings are fortunately rare, however, given a man has been injured after being shot by police, our role is to independently investigate all of the circumstances surrounding this incident including the actions and decisions taken by the police.

"Based on analysis of evidence gathered to date, no police officer is under investigation for either misconduct or criminality – they are being treated as witnesses.

"We appreciate that the community will want answers quickly and our investigators are working hard to establish the facts and piece together what occurred.

"Our thoughts are with everyone affected."

A Kent Police spokesperson said the force was supporting the IOPC's inquiry.
London's top 20
More than 30 locations in London have been named by the Metropolitan Police as the most likely to attract anti-social behaviour (ASB), theft and street crime.

The mayor of London's office said increased police patrols would be at hotspots over the summer, with intelligence-led plain-clothed officers to target prolific offenders.

It is part of the Home Office's national Safer Streets Summer Initiative, external running from 30 June until the end of September.

Deputy Commissioner for the Met, Matt Jukes, said the force was tackling "the crimes that matter most to Londoners".
The identified town centre and high street locations include Stratford, Woolwich town centre, Finsbury Park, Croydon town centre, Shepherds Bush Green, Elephant and Castle, Seven Sisters and the West End.

It will be a multi-agency operation by the Met, the mayor's office for policing and crime (MOPAC), local authorities and community partners.
Hannah Wadey from business crime prevention body the Safer Business Network said when people felt safe, town centres thrived.

According to the Met, the force has solved 163% more cases of shoplifting in the first six weeks of this financial year compared to last.

It added that theft from a person was down by 15.6% and personal robbery down by 12.8% over the same period.

Deputy mayor for policing and crime, Kaya Comer-Schwartz, said: "The safety of our town centres is more than just policing – it's about building stronger, more connected communities where everyone feels secure.
Of the 32 town centres and high street locations named as experiencing the highest levels of ASB, theft and street crime, the top 20 were:

  • Barking Town Centre
  • Brixton Town Centre
  • Camden Town
  • Catford – Lewisham High Street
  • Croydon Town Centre
  • Ealing Town Centre
  • Elephant and Castle
  • Finsbury Park
  • Woolwich Town Centre
  • Ilford Town Centre
  • Kingston Town Centre
  • Romford Town Centre
  • Seven Sisters
  • Shepherds Bush Green
  • Shoreditch Town Centre
  • Silver Street
  • Stratford
  • Walthamstow
  • West End
  • Whitechapel
 
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If the police are faced with violent burglars [...] I want them to be able to wade in and kick the shit out of people.
Police are never faced with 'violent burglars', as they're always at least 2 hours too late to arrive on the scene.

Castle Doctrine covers this police blind spot quite nicely, but sadly - with the laws as they currently stand in this country - you would be more likely to face a prison sentence for assaulting the intruder who broke into your property than the intruder himself.

Doubly so if the trespasser was brown, which (in all probability) he would be.
 
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Castle Doctrine covers this issue nicely, but sadly with the laws as they currently stand in this country you would be more likely to face a prison sentence for assaulting the intruder who broke into your property than the intruder himself.
Speaking of.
As Irish Travellers, Kim Moloney's family have lived a nomadic lifestyle for generations, calling caravans and wagons pulled up on parks and roadsides their home.

However, after Travellers parked on a green space in Leeds, an MP has called for increased powers that would see communities moved from public land within hours.


"It makes me feel like I am not wanted in this world," Ms Moloney said.

The 55-year-old is no stranger to eviction, having spent much of her life moving from place to place around Leeds.

"You can get a lot of hassle," she said.

She described moments including people banging on the caravan door as her family sat down for tea.

"When I was a little girl, I saw all these men in the fields throwing bricks at the windows of the caravans and one injured a child," she said.

"The police did nothing about it, 'they should not be here' they said. That is how travellers have to live."

Nomadism is not illegal in the UK but travellers can only park on authorised sites which can be either council-owned or privately-owned with a licence.

Unauthorised encampments, including roadside or greenspaces, can be considered a breach of civil law.

Ms Moloney, who has been awarded an MBE for her work as a campaigner for Travellers' rights, said over the years her community had been treated "like dirt" because of their way of life.

She said she felt Travellers "lived life under surveillance" and described being followed around shops by people who seemed suspicious of her and her family.

Ms Moloney said members of the Traveller community had taken their own lives because of the negative attitude of society towards them.

"We are people, we didn't come from space, we are human like anybody else, why should we be treated any differently because we live roadside?" she said.


However, Fabian Hamilton, MP for Leeds North East, said residents in his constituency are being "constantly disrupted" by encampments near Roundhay Park.

He said residents had seen fence posts being cut down and "human waste being left undealt with".

"What we need is legislation that allows orders granted instantly, so that removal can take place within hours, if not a day or two, rather than days and weeks," he said.

"It is far too slow right now, people have no problem with Travellers but they should not be in public parks because it stops others using the park.

"Most of all they should not be destroying parts of public property so that other users cannot enjoy them."

Ellie Rogers, the CEO of Leeds Gypsy and Traveller Exchange (GATE), which supports the Traveller and Romany Gypsy communities, said more powers were the "last thing" authorities needed.

"We have enough powers and they are used very frequently," she said.

The charity has created a negotiated stopping policy with Leeds City Council but Ms Rogers said it was not being "actively implemented".

The policy means Gypsies and Travellers will work with the local authority and may be allowed to remain on land for up to 28 days, as long as the site is left clean.

Toilets and skips are provided under the policy, in what Ms Rogers said was a financially beneficial arrangement for authorities.

"There are clear up costs and court fees you do not see, it saves a lot of money," she said.

Ellie Rogers from charity Leeds Gate says authorities do not need more powers to manage encampments
There are 3,000 Gypsy and Traveller families across the country who have nowhere to stay, according to Leeds GATE, with a further 10,000 living on land without permission.

"This is an issue of homelessness and social injustice," Ms Rogers said.

"The negotiated stopping policy is a really good tool we could be using and we are not using it as well as we could."

Ms Rogers also called for more permanent sites for Gypsy and Traveller families.

"Camps do not disappear," Ms Rogers said.

"They just pop up somewhere else, you are not making that issue go away, you are just moving it."

A permanent site is similar to a housing estate but instead of houses, the plot has a building with a bathroom, kitchen and space to park caravans.

Families pay rent, council tax and utilities.

Cottingley Springs, a site in the Gildersome area of Leeds, opened in 1969 for Gypsy and Traveller families and has 41 plots.

Kidacre Park opened in Hunslet in 2019, but has a temporary 10-year licence in place, because it is on the proposed route of the high speed rail line HS2.

Jessica Lennox, executive member for housing at Leeds City Council, said the authority "considers the potential for negotiated stopping for all unauthorised Traveller encampments".

She said the council "recognised the challenges where encampments cause loss of amenities and disruption to local settled communities".

The council would continue to look for other suitable land for encampments, she added.

West Yorkshire Police said it had a "long-standing commitment to engaging with travelling communities".

Alison Lowe, the deputy mayor for policing and crime in West Yorkshire, said "better management of the situation" was needed and added that this included using negotiated stopping sites.

"More enforcement will only further marginalise our Traveller community, and I will continue to work with the police and our partners to ensure we apply the right approach," she said.

Ms Moloney now lives at Cottingley Springs but continues to fight for the rights of Travellers.

Rather than powers to move people on she wants more suitable sites for families to live at to be created.

"People should not leave mess lying around. If authorities helped Travellers more, they might have solved the problem a long time ago," she said.

"You have to understand, Travellers are never going to give up their culture.

"I'll die a Traveller and be proud of it."
Unrelated
Notting Hill Carnival is now set to go ahead after nearly £1m of extra funding has been provided.

This year's event, to be held over the August bank holiday weekend in west London, had been at risk after a review had identified "critical public safety concerns" around crowd safety that needed additional funding.

City Hall, and the councils of Royal Borough Of Kensington & Chelsea and City of Westminster, have now provided that extra money.

In a statement, Carnival organisers said: "Although this support comes just weeks before the event, it is a much-needed and welcome commitment."


Despite the last-minute funding, the Metropolitan Police said crowd safety remained an "ongoing concern".

Dep Ass Commissioner Matt Ward said: "We welcome the news that some additional funding has now been secured.

"However, we must acknowledge that with just six weeks to go a lot of hard work is still required to mitigate all of the risks identified."

Mr Ward, who also oversees policing for the event, said they could be "confident the carnival would be safer" following the extra funding, but added it was important that the organisers "continued to work with the partnership and emergency services to consider and take all possible steps to keep attendees safe".

As revealed exclusively by BBC London, organisers had written to the government in recent weeks to ask for extra money to pay for crowd management.

The government said it would respond to the request "in due course", but funding has not been offered.

The funding from City Hall and two local councils has been given on the understanding it is for this year only.

Deputy leader of Kensington and Chelsea Council, Kim Taylor-Smith, said it was providing the additional funding because the government had "not yet indicated any support is forthcoming".

"This council is now facing significant funding pressures over the next three years, with budget gaps of around £80 million.

"So, we have to be really clear that this is additional funding for this year only."

He called on the government to "recognise the carnival's importance to the community", and asked it to support it financially in the future.


BBC London's political editor Karl Mercer said it was clear the last-minute funding did not provide a long-term solution for the event.

He said the organisers, City Hall and the two local councils had gone to central government to seek extra help to keep Carnival safe but as they did not get it, they have had to stump up the money themselves.

"While they've all publicly welcomed the fact that Carnival is going ahead this year, behind the scenes there is said to be disappointment and frustration that government did not find the money," he said.

"It means we could very well be facing a similar row ahead of next year's event when it comes to the question of who pays to keep Europe's biggest street festival safe and secure for those who go."

The chair of Notting Hill Carnival Ltd, Ian Comfort, said he was "delighted" by the funding and that the carnival would go ahead.

He said: "We remain fully capable of delivering the critical safety and operational measures required.

"We are working closely with carnivalists, partners and suppliers to ensure a safe, spectacular, and successful Carnival."

He added: "This support reinforces the importance of Notting Hill Carnival as a cultural institution—central to London's identity and to the nation's creative and economic life."
 
Gypsies are almost as bad as pakis. No one wants them to squat on their land. They move around so they can keep committing crimes and have new targets for begging scams.
If it were a simple case of them being potato people who happen to live in caravans it would be no issue, the fact that everyone fucking hates them for ((some reason)) speaks for itself really, that side never gets brought up in the puff pieces though; just muh discrimination. And why is that hmmm?
 
How's progress for you guys towards relying less on banks? Or is there still a huge stranglehold?
 
Speaking of.
Pikeys/travellers/whatever are strikingly similar to trannies, in that they inhabit their own world and expect everyone to accommodate them and play by their rules.

"It makes me feel like I am not wanted in this world," Ms Moloney said.

The 55-year-old is no stranger to eviction, having spent much of her life moving from place to place around Leeds.

"You can get a lot of hassle," she said.
Well yes, Ms Moloney, you should feel like you are not wanted in this world as that is an accurate reading of everybody else's perception of you and those like you.

The reason people hate you is because while everybody else has to play by the rules of polite society, you and your inbred ilk are allowed to run roughshod and exist outside of it in order to do whatever the fuck they like- because for some reason it has been decided that cunts who live in caravans can live on whatever private property they want and loot local businesses and generally act with complete legal impunity as the establishment has, for some reason, followed in lockstep with you for many years rather than showing you the door like you've deserved for fucking decades.

My heart bleeds for you.

"But muh culture" fuck you, my culture (the same culture you have chosen to inflict yourself upon) is one of law and order. Your primitive caravan lifestyle is antiquated horseshit that only continues to exist due to the permissiveness of my people. Without that, you would have been rightfully stamped out centuries ago.
 
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