Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

how many female novelists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
idk can it be a zipless screw?

Actually laughed out loud. I think even getting an Erica Jong reference now officially makes me an old person. She seems to have been thrown into the "disposable and not to be picked back up" pile, for all that she was a whole moment in her time. I imagine Miranda July as a similarly transient literary figure.
 
Actually laughed out loud. I think even getting an Erica Jong reference now officially makes me an old person. She seems to have been thrown into the "disposable and not to be picked back up" pile, for all that she was a whole moment in her time. I imagine Miranda July as a similarly transient literary figure.
God willing.
 
Why do the people who supposedly love "literature" so very much they form their entire identity around it, have a child's understanding of it?

Because they have a child’s understanding of everything else because they think they can know everything important from literature.

"What do they know of cricket who only cricket know?" - CLR James
 
Why do the people who supposedly love "literature" so very much they form their entire identity around it, have a child's understanding of it?
Like you suggested, they don’t actually love literature, they love being perceived as the type of person who loves literature. It’s a costume as much as Joe’s overpriced smocks and Mal’s whole Oshkosh B’Gosh-core…thing.
 
Like you suggested, they don’t actually love literature, they love being perceived as the type of person who loves literature. It’s a costume as much as Joe’s overpriced smocks and Mal’s whole Oshkosh B’Gosh-core…thing.
That's why I say Sideshow wants nothing more than to be a CLAIMED member of whatever retard version we have these days for an Algonquin Round Table.
 
New Insta post from Lily. Caption says:
Recent pictures out of order: California, Nevada, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Michigan, and back
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It's a bunch of pics of Rocco, just mom stuff.
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But there's this one:
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A commenter says:
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Is this the same place with some of their stuff moved in? Kinda looks like it:
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EDIT: Yep. Here's the rug in their NYC apartment:
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And Tard Baby posts Lily in stories:
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New place looks expensive, like they're living off the proceeds of the Lansing house to piss away on rent. What are their plans for a couple of years from now when it's all gone? These people will be pushing 50 soon and have literally nothing to show for many years of work except some ugly designer clothes. Unless those were all Rent the Runway, come to think of it, we haven't seen Joe in his finery much lately.
 
I'd never heard Mallory's voice before the male novelist video. It was truly lovely. Juliana Aprileo was another pooner with a pleasant, melodious voice before she ruined it with testosterone. Speaking of male novelist tropes -- the perverse desire to destroy something beautiful is an age-old one, isn't it? Mallory doth protest too much.
 
Nice house, love the fireplace. God only knows the finances of it all. Now, for heaven's sake, place that spinet somewhere else. Just leaving it in the sun can cause the wood to warp.

Also nice casual copy of Bleak House. Reread it recently. Lovely book. Hated Esther Summerson just as much as last time.

EDIT: Also how is it that Rocco looks more and more like post transition Joe. That's not how genes work. That's not how anything works.
 
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New place looks expensive, like they're living off the proceeds of the Lansing house to piss away on rent. What are their plans for a couple of years from now when it's all gone? These people will be pushing 50 soon and have literally nothing to show for many years of work except some ugly designer clothes. Unless those were all Rent the Runway, come to think of it, we haven't seen Joe in his finery much lately.
It does look expensive, but the Lansing place is still under contract so they haven't yet reaped whatever equity Lily had in there. Maybe the new place is affordable because it's a ways out of town and Joe is planning a three hour train commute or something? Still seems like they must have received an infusion of cash from somewhere.

Rent the Runway, our Joe? Never. Most of his clothes have probably been in storage along with all the rest of their shit, but he does seem to be recognizing the practicality of wearing a simple t-shirt and shorts instead of a pink silk caftan with flamboyant Balenciaga tard sneakers, especially when traveling through rural Wyoming and Nevada.
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I think, like Rhys, Joe is losing interest in troonery.
 
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know most people here never actually read him, but Joe is not a mediocre scholar as ran through a thesaurus. He is simply a fraud.


My pet theory is that the troon menace didn't, in the end, kill the humanities. though it will be remembered as the stake with which it was eventually nailed to a cross. The gay shit was all a last desperate pivot towards relevancy from a discipline that had long lost its way. Becoming a soft option/ political platform for rootles elites. The gender theorists are not only to be hated as academic grifters; they are to be singled out for contempt for having so thoroughly cleaned out English and literature departments such that they are unlikely to be rebuilt in our lifetime.

Agreed. A field that included Nabakov, N. Arvin, Lidiya Ginzburg, Mirsky, Benichou, etc… many people with an unusually large capacity for critical thinking, insightful analysis and independent thought. Then it started turning into a clown show of empty headed Derrida mimicry and endless regurgitation.

It does look expensive, but the Lansing place is still under contract so they haven't yet reaped whatever equity Lily had in there. Maybe the new place is affordable because a ways out of town and Joe is planning a three hour train commute or something? Seems like they must have received an infusion of cash from somewhere.
It looks like an A-frame style somewhere, which leads me to believe it would be in slightly less urban environs. Nothing against A-frames but the bad drywall job around the fireplace, and painted black beams, makes me think this was once a cool 70’s house that was flipped into a rental.

Mallory was in Sonoma County while the nuclear family traveled and I’d definitely say she was getting things settled into the new place there. Joe and Lilly probably hauled their stuff from Lansing back to move in. She was probably hiking wherever that new place is located.

Certain areas in Sonoma are far more affordable than the Bay Area for the square footage you get.

Given that Joe thought he could commute from NYC to Berkeley I’m sure Sonoma County is no biggie, esp if he’s only teaching two days a week.
 
A bit more info in the unpaywalled portion of the latest Chatner (Archive):
Lily, Grace and I are in what I trust are the final settling-in stages of what I need to believe is the final move of our lives. We have moved five times in the last year and I do not recommend it. I cannot and must not move another time. It just can’t happen again.

The Rocco Report: He can now say “big,” which means he wants one of us to read from Keith Haring’s Bigbook. I should say he can say most of the word “big”; he can say “bih.” When too much time has passed after announcing he wants someone to read Big to him, he will repeat it emphatically: “Bihhhhhhh.”

He can also say “mana,” meaning banana, where last month “minaminamana” meant banana. He can say Rocco (“Acka”), the usual Mama-Dada-Gogo axis (where “Mama” means anything he wants to be brought to him, “Dada” means me-with-prompting, and Gogo means anything he sees at a distance.

The Bon-Bon and Gogo report: We have finally unpacked their dog stairs, so they can get up and down from the bed at will, and they want for nothing.

Miscellaneous: We have furniture. We have internet. The first CNA program was cancelled the day before orientation; the second CNA program I managed to find as a replacement fell apart; but the third replacement CNA program seems to be holding steady and there is a very real chance I will get a chance to use those scrubs in the near future. Please do keep your fingers crossed for me!
The reading report: Now that I’m within closing distance of the Aubrey-Maturin series (just starting in on book #18 of 20, The Yellow Admiral) I’ve started eyeing Larry McMurtry. I’ve never read anything of his before, but I’m about two-thirds of the way through The Last Kind Words Saloon. McMurtry enthusiasts have assured me that this is in no way his best work, but I rather like it and think I’ll pick up Horseman, Pass By next. I’ve recently finished (and enjoyed) Oliver Goldsmith’s The Vicar of Wakefield, which gets mentioned in most of my favorite 19th-century novels, am in the process of reading (and disliking) Thurber and White’s Is Sex Necessary? but will see it through. I’ve never liked Thurber, and this is confirming all of my priors.

I keep trying to finish The Stammering Century, which is terrific and has an introduction that feels like it must have inspired the same section of Women’s Hotel, even though I only saw it after the book came out (emphasis mine):

This book is not a record of the major events in American history during the nineteenth century. It is concerned with minor movements, with the cults and manias of that period. Its personages are fanatics, and radicals, and mountebanks. Its intention is to connect these secondary movements and figures with the primary forces of the century, and to supply a background in American history for the Prohibitionists and the Pentecostalists; the diet-faddists and the dealers in mail-order Personality; the play censors and the Fundamentalists; the free-lovers and eugenists; the cranks and possibly the saints. Sects, cults, manias, movements, fads, religious excitements, and the relation of each of these to the others and to the orderly progress of America are the subject…I came gradually to want to prove nothing.
The reason I keep trying to finish it is I’ve borrowed the book on Libby, and my hold keeps lapsing because a lot of other people want to read it too, so I’m only on chapter two. But I will prevail!

The Book report: I’ve sent off the manuscript for Meeting New People, formerly Gallstones, to my editor. It comes in at just a hair under 80K words, which is on the short side, but I have a feeling edits are going to be moderate-to-extensive and that number may very well go up. Too big to be ever be a slim novel of surprising force and urgency, but still too short for a sprawling, multigenerational epic, which is just about right for my present level of talent.

The galleys for Christmas at the Women’s Hotel have just arrived. (If you happen to live in the Bay Area and don’t have another book in your budget at present, email me and I’d be very happy to give you one of my author copies.) I’m quite pleased with them!

If you liked Women’s Hotel, it seems likely to me that you will like this book. If you liked Women’s Hotel, but found it a little meandering, you might find you a Christmas-themed episode more suitable. If you didn’t like Women’s Hotel, you probably won’t like this either, but at least it’s short.

I’ll post an excerpt past the paywall (but as always, if you’d like to read it without subscribing, just shoot me an email and I’ll forward you the excerpt for free).
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Half the fun of this book came from choosing society names from old digitized copies of the New York’s Social Register. My sister and I became aware of the Social Register in high school, and developed a half-joking, half-aspiring attachment to it. The whole thing seemed so alien, so silly, so desirable, from our vantage point in suburban Chicago. Black and orange made no sense as a color scheme; “Dilatory Domiciles” seemed like bad grammar; the little strings of code that ran after each name was baffling. We did qualify for the Daughters of the American Revolution through our paternal grandmother, and some time after college I went as far as attending a few meetings and putting together my application, but between the D.A.R. and the Social Register there is yet a gulf to be crossed.
 
He can say Rocco (“Acka”), the usual Mama-Dada-Gogo axis (where “Mama” means anything he wants to be brought to him, “Dada” means me-with-prompting, and Gogo means anything he sees at a distance.

“Dada means me with prompting” god that’s creepy. After being with his actual parents for a month and not seeing Mallory at all she must be desperate to get Rocco reprogrammed for Pooner daddy vs real tranny daddy mamma and actual mom Lala.

think, like Rhys, Joe is losing interest in troonery.
Hopefully even “I want a gaybaby” shock value Joe has to be feeling pangs over what he’s showcasing for his son.

Lots more normies, retirees, Latinos and rich folk in Sonoma County. Won’t be as easy to parent Rocco as a Tranny trouple there, unless they home school, which I fear they will. (People with fixed ideologies and beliefs prefer homeschooling.)

On the road, outside his bubble, makes Joe tone it down. Nobody is going to appreciate his designer duds in Wyoming! This is why Joe must return to NYC, where he deluded himself that everyone admired his clothing.
 
Hopefully even “I want a gaybaby” shock value Joe has to be feeling pangs over what he’s showcasing for his son.

Given his son's apparent favorite book, I rate this optimistic.

Mallory, God is trying to tell you this CNA thing is not your bag and you are plugging your ears to avoid listening to the message.
 
"Final move"? They're probably renting, so good luck with that. That's not to mention if their relationship falls apart at one point...
That strikes me as the likeliest option. Time will tell.

Rocco sitting in the dog bed cracked me up.

I wonder if he can squeeze his head through the balcony cables. Not that I'm hoping that happens. Jus' that I want pictures if it does.
 
Agreed. A field that included Nabakov, N. Arvin, Lidiya Ginzburg, Mirsky, Benichou, etc… many people with an unusually large capacity for critical thinking, insightful analysis and independent thought. Then it started turning into a clown show of empty headed Derrida mimicry and endless regurgitation.
To be fair to Derrida he earnestly tied to continue from Nietzsche and expand our post-religions humanism, made of logic and metaphysics, by taking on its various contradictions. He did what philosophers are supposed to do. It just so happened that his deconstruction of language proved to be an easy tool for those who had no love for humanism and wanted to be rid of it by undermining it from within. It had no 'truth' you see, and so was no longer taught.

That now a new, and even more vapid, breed of STEM minded academics is using the same methods of deconstruction in order to destroy their humanities based predecessors — deconstruction deconstructing itself — is a wonderful joke people like Joe are just too dense to see.
having gotten rid of language they have noting left to say.
 
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To be fair to Derrida he earnestly tied to continue from Nietzsche and expand our post-religions humanism, made of logic and metaphysics, by taking on its various contradictions. He did what philosophers are supposed to do. It just so happened that his deconstruction of language proved to be an easy tool for those who had no love for humanism and wanted to be rid of it by undermining it from within. It had no 'truth' you see, and so was no longer taught.

That now a new, and even more vapid, breed of STEM minded academics is using the same methods of deconstruction in order to destroy their humanities based predecessors — deconstruction deconstructing itself — is a wonderful joke people like Joe are just too dense to see.
having gotten rid of language they have noting left to say.

Derrida, much like Joe, based his philosophical principles on whatever would let him argue that actually, it was perfectly fine to cheat on his wife.
 
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