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Should be a wild four years.

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Schizo theory: What if the list was never real to begin with?
The intelligence agencies have straight up believed in lies and made up shit beforehand (sometimes making up said shit themselves) and to help create a narrative, often with the intent of creating a satisfying conclusion. A customer list would be a neat bow to tie on the Epstein story as it means everyone involved can be pursued, but so far the only major figure implicated was been Prince Andrew and he was more taken down by someone speaking out, but so far no one else has really done.
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What if Epstein claimed the existence of a list but possessed no physical copy of said list, and was in fact just a list of names he was willing to give up to save his own skin? Or what if the flight logs were the list he meant and we've been stuck in a miscommunication loop for the past 6 or 7 years?

However, to claim the existence of a "list" means that there are parties and individuals more guilty than those in the flight logs so the names in the flight logs are semi-absolved, when in reality the flight logs is all we in fact have and we should in fact me looking with far more scrutiny the names we do know rather than a hypothetical laundry list of paedophile elites that may or may not actually exist?
I think the fundamental problem now is that Epstein has become has grown into something larger than life in the heads of a lot of people and even if you are correct, those people will never accept it. Your theory lines up with what we can actually prove with what we know, but people want there to be more.
 
Schizo theory: What if the list was never real to begin with?
The intelligence agencies have straight up believed in lies and made up shit beforehand (sometimes making up said shit themselves) and to help create a narrative, often with the intent of creating a satisfying conclusion. A customer list would be a neat bow to tie on the Epstein story as it means everyone involved can be pursued, but so far the only major figure implicated was been Prince Andrew and he was more taken down by someone speaking out, but so far no one else has really done.
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What if Epstein claimed the existence of a list but possessed no physical copy of said list, and was in fact just a list of names he was willing to give up to save his own skin? Or what if the flight logs were the list he meant and we've been stuck in a miscommunication loop for the past 6 or 7 years?

However, to claim the existence of a "list" means that there are parties and individuals more guilty than those in the flight logs so the names in the flight logs are semi-absolved, when in reality the flight logs is all we in fact have and we should in fact me looking with far more scrutiny the names we do know rather than a hypothetical laundry list of paedophile elites that may or may not actually exist?
An actual list of names with their crimes typed out next to them that Epstein hid under his bed would be very convenient but I can almost guarantee it wouldn't actually be that simple, unfortunately. In all likelihood there's probably a "list" of thousands of associates and Epstein also had dirt on a number of them that he could pull out should he desire to, but what that dirt is and who it's on could very well not have existed outside of Epsteins brain and hidden tapes in a safe somewhere, or not even exist anymore at all thanks to mass shredding over the past 7 or so years.

They could release a giant list of just names tomorrow and say "yep that's it that's the list" and we wouldn't know if everyone on it was a serial child rapist with recordings of them strangling underage hookers or if only 5% of them were actual blackmail-ees and the rest were just people Epstein had lunch with or bought an airplane from at some point that he kept on the books. The guy was a massive socialite for decades on end, and we already know that there are people who were technically "associated" with him but weren't involved with his actual crimes.

It's a giant mess and not a pleasant thought, but here's hoping it really is as simple as a big list of crimes and dates that would lead to arrests.
 
haha ok grok gone 8 chan case deta he been feed in all. deta form blue sky and x ware been feed into him as expermint. kinda get what happins. grok leck empley deta about sex fansterys in all.owner of x her shit was lecked in all still funny.then gone at what realty of adl is for isrealys haha. gone no no shut it down haha. fuond it funny as shit.then started call him mach hilter in all haha. dam funn how now grok ai modal kown was coming long us deaction form few thing as haha.that happing poltics. give web shiney bobal in in ani anime and furry get nice shiney ball go feach in feach in all. check modal form can be dumped casumzined re reged modal.(side note to party sping out metakur forms 30 pages last time take to your own theard on this topic for potlics exmple) talk of it.)
 

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haha ok grok gone 8 chan case deta he been feed in all. deta form blue sky and x ware been feed into him as expermint. kinda get what happins. grok leck empley deta about sex fansterys in all.owner of x her shit was lecked in all still funny.then gone at what realty of adl is for isrealys haha. gone no no shut it down haha. fuond it funny as shit.then started call him mach hilter in all haha. dam funn how now grok ai modal kown was coming long us deaction form few thing as haha.that happing poltics. give web shiney bobal in in ani anime and furry get nice shiney ball go feach in feach in all. check modal form can be dumped casumzined re reged modal.(side note to party sping out metakur forms 30 pages last time take to your own theard on this topic for potlics exmple) talk of it.)
Feds new way of tracking people is making a sexy AI anime girl and retards go crazy over it "Yes AI waifu, i love hiding meth in my basement"
 
My thoughts on the Epstein List (which does exist, btw):

People in our government, Republicans and Democrats alike, are on the list. And so are foreign leaders. The list isn't being released in the name of "preventing domestic political chaos" and in the name of blackmailing other nations. I would even not be surprised if Trump isn't releasing the list because some of the Republicans on there are the ones helping out his agenda right now.

The way that Trump and his Administration have handled this is disappointing to say the least. This is worse than him breaking his 2016 promise about locking Hillary up.

I still overall support Trump, as good things are happening under his watch ... But I'll point out the fuckups when I see them. Roseanne Barr actually said it best on X: "Mr. President- yes, we still care about Epstein. Is there ever a time to NOT care about child sex trafficking? Read the damn room."
I get it if it's a Watchmen situation where releasing the list will cause insurmountable damage to everyone to the point where it's better to just not.

HOWEVER I would argue the world would probably be a much better place if kid diddlers weren't the ones making the rules so......

I mean I'm at the point now I just think the entire situation is comical and although it's not the #bluewave Fatpacks wants you to think it is, this is definitely a bad look for Trump amidst all the good he's done so far
 
I get it if it's a Watchmen situation where releasing the list will cause insurmountable damage to everyone to the point where it's better to just not.

HOWEVER I would argue the world would probably be a much better place if kid diddlers weren't the ones making the rules so......

I mean I'm at the point now I just think the entire situation is comical and although it's not the #bluewave Fatpacks wants you to think it is, this is definitely a bad look for Trump amidst all the good he's done so far
Frankly I'm bored of waiting for it already. Just connect the dots and you'll deduce the list for yourself at this point.
 
I mean I'm at the point now I just think the entire situation is comical and although it's not the #bluewave Fatpacks wants you to think it is, this is definitely a bad look for Trump amidst all the good he's done so far
My position on him softened quite a bit with the scouring of the Tranny menace. But this is swamp shit. DEEP swamp shit. I never want to hear his followers whine about the swamp and deep state ever again. nigga IS.
 
Did they? I don’t know I am not old enough or versed in tv stuff to really know. I thought Bewitched came a little after Brady Bunch lol
Bewitched started five years before the Brady Bunch, and they're definitely shown in a double bed together from close enough to the start. In the pilot, they pretty much start in nightwear by the double bed in their honeymoon suite, though they don't get into it because Endora guilts Sam into confessing to Darren that she's a witch and he takes it badly that she married him under false pretences.
 
I still overall support Trump,
I don't because we're talking about people who are definitely still operating or otherwise participating in child sex slavery rings that he's protecting by having his administration cover for them.

No, I draw the line at people who commit, enable, and/or cover for, CSA. I've said prior that what his admin has done here is leagues above what the UK government allowed to take place with the rape gangs, as at least on some level it's believable they weren't active participants in it.

Supporting someone, anyone who does that is morally bankrupt. Do I regret voting for him over Kamala? No. I don't have to, because at the time, it wasn't known that he was going to run cover for the world's most well-connected and powerful child rapists.

It's genuinely sickening to see so many people have this stance. This is a test of the most basic principle we have as a society, this isn't some 'does banning online porn lead to the government demanding ID before you log into Twitter?' dilemma. It's one of very, very few legitimate A/B tests of whether or not you actually do hate people who commit or enable CSA. For so many to fail this because of political partisanship is a grim indictment of the people who make up our body politic.
 
I get it if it's a Watchmen situation where releasing the list will cause insurmountable damage to everyone to the point where it's better to just not.

HOWEVER I would argue the world would probably be a much better place if kid diddlers weren't the ones making the rules so......
At this point it's basically the same logic of ignoring a cavity and hoping it'll get better, then needing a root canal when you finally confront the issue. Problems left to spin wildly out of control for decades are never going to be "easy" to confront.

Similar wavelength to what you said but the entire system should've been holding itself more accountable (laughable concept, I know). The kid diddler shit should've been snubbed the instant it was on anyones radar, but fast forward 30 years of pedos wanting a slice and covering for eachother and now we're at this point of just bold faced lying about things openly to try and make it go away.

There's no spin they can put on this to make this strat work. Trust in the government has been taking for years now and this shit just furthers it. What "trust" is in the government right now isn't in the government, it's in Trump, and pulling this kind of stunt will rapidly diminish that too.
 
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