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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause
This is meaningless if they are unwilling to remove citizenship based on their race/ethnicity and deport them (or just dump them in international waters).
 
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1. "Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers."
2. "As other countries do, we will thoroughly vet asylum seekers and other migrants and ensure that everyone coming here is willing to integrate, speak our language and respect our way of life. We will no longer allow waves of unchecked, unvetted migrants with no loyalty to Britain or its values to roam our streets freely."
3. "My pledge to you is simple: freeze immigration, stop all benefits for foreign nationals, deport foreign criminals and put the needs of the British people front and centre. Only Reform can be trusted to do this."
4. "The fundamental duties of any government are to protect its people, improve their lives – and put them first. Politicians work for the people, not the other way round. This principle has been lost. The UK can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world: it is time we prioritised our people, our jobs and our culture."
Farage isn't going to do fuck all, just like any populist, they are useless. It's all good in saying "well they are the start of chamge" really though?

The cunt can barely even visit his own constituency, he did fuck all post-brexit, he did fuck all during his time as an MEP (member of Europeam parliament). He's just anotherpopulist, fame/power hungry retard.
 
This is meaningless if they are unwilling to remove citizenship based on their race/ethnicity and deport them (or just dump them in international waters).
Their choice:

'Fuck off back to Niggershitland or be sent to Russia to be literal coal'.

Don't forget that comments like that might get upvotes here, but the British population aren't all like us and will need at least a proper reason to choose Reform UK if they aren't Right Wingers.
 
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I hope Margoyles is absolutely torn to shreds by the troons. Let her see- really see - and experience how absolutely unfuckinghinged the whole lot of them are.
I don't, but those remarks mean she may well be.
Some of the comments are absolutely going to set off the sort of nutcases that will scream utter obscenities at her.
 
I don't, but those remarks mean she may well be.
Some of the comments are absolutely going to set off the sort of nutcases that will scream utter obscenities at her.
Well, then she'll know what it is like to get abuse for a change.

I did read the story and was surprised she wasn't on her usual rant against the civilised world.

I can't stand the woman, but if she is mellowing and at least trying to be more nuanced then I'm prepared to give her a chance.

The ginger woman whose name escapes me (starring in the new Harry Potter film/series) has also ducked out of answering questions on trans. She's going to get flack as well, sadly.

Some late news:

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Their choice:

'Fuck off back to Niggershitland or be sent to Russia to be literal coal'.

Don't forget that comments like that might get upvotes here, but the British population aren't all like us and will need at least a proper reason to choose Reform UK if they aren't Right Wingers.
I'm sure there's a conversion you can do where:
1. Position is widely ignored for being "fridge"
2. Party that espouses it is top of the polls
3. Rest of the parties begin echoing it
I think we're inching towards a more desirable baseline, albeit slowly. I do fear that we'll cap out at "stopping immediate immigration for the foreseeable future" and not seeing the possible discussion of implementing remigration a la Sweden, but maybe the Tories will try doing that before Reform starts echoing it 3 or 4 months later.

Honestly thank God for Corbyn ("first person to say that", award?) That new party might help the Right out a ton. Most of the population doesn't even know what's going on the background so anything that proclaimed loudly (Afghan story) overshadows other stuff (McMurdock ousting).
 
I don't, but those remarks mean she may well be.
Some of the comments are absolutely going to set off the sort of nutcases that will scream utter obscenities at her.
Good. It would serve her right for being such a contrary shit.

The side she's chosen to ally herself with are batshit insane. They're rapist defenders, they are mentally sick and they're dangerous. You can't reason with them.

If getting a taste of what they're like serves as an eye opener, good.

She might be "mellowing" in her age. Good for her. In the meantime,the nonsense that woman spews has shown misinformation and division.
 
For Reform, their chief concern is removing Mohammed. He is a hindrance and a perpetual shitstirrer. He knows he cannot enter any other party and have everything suck him off, but he most likely has ammo on Farage.

Farage knows immigration is the number one concern, next to the economy.

I think Trump is trying to guide him honestly; he is well-versed in the other politicians and wants Starmer out. He is a far better mentor than a fucking Arab. Hell, even though she is not English, I would give Braverman an honorary title. Yusef is just a Lidl version of Vivek and has nothing but contempt for the natives.

Take Trump's blueprint and win, it's fucking easy. Starmer is too retarded to counter as he is a script goblin.
 
For Reform, their chief concern is removing Mohammed. He is a hindrance and a perpetual shitstirrer. He knows he cannot enter any other party and have everything suck him off, but he most likely has ammo on Farage.

Farage knows immigration is the number one concern, next to the economy.

I think Trump is trying to guide him honestly; he is well-versed in the other politicians and wants Starmer out. He is a far better mentor than a fucking Arab. Hell, even though she is not English, I would give Braverman an honorary title. Yusef is just a Lidl version of Vivek and has nothing but contempt for the natives.

Take Trump's blueprint and win, it's fucking easy. Starmer is too retarded to counter as he is a script goblin.
I'd personally pot Zia and David Bull (something about him makes me uneasy).

Maybe Trump will tell Farage 'look, it's yours for the taking, don't be afraid and fuck what the haters think.'

At least recess time is almost upon us!
 
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For Reform, their chief concern is removing Mohammed. He is a hindrance and a perpetual shitstirrer. He knows he cannot enter any other party and have everything suck him off, but he most likely has ammo on Farage.
Reform is the Farage party and Farage is saying what people are desperate to hear. Not the usual political desires, but feeling threatened and in danger wanting to hear.

Farage is Brexit man fighting a corrupt system trying to kill the native population. It's a cult of personality the same way Trump was and any past failings is the system's fault not Farages (Brexit not going through). He mirrors Trump's first term not being what people wanted and now he has a chance to do it again but right.

Unless Farage dies or there's evidence of him raping children there's nothing the establishment can do to touch him. Farage is popular despite his flaws and people are desperate. Too many towns and cities are lost and there's no where left to run. So it's Farage or nothing.
Take Trump's blueprint and win, it's fucking easy. Starmer is too retarded to counter as he is a script goblin.
It's a shame Trump is being retarded at the moment. If Trump didn't fuck up he would have been a great support for Farage.
 
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(though Truss and Bozo Spaffer I do agree with saying no to them - Liz is nice enough as a person but believes that going 'do as I say' equals leadership).
The thing Reform needs most are people who want to actually change things, not chase comfortable positions or asspats. So long as such a person isn't outright incompetent, that loyalty to the goals is an asset. And honestly, I see Truss as less likely to compromise and merge back into the Establishment than Farage. I've seen her be interviewed post-Prime Ministership and she knows exactly where she was blocked by what institutions and laws and has a very clear idea of what she wants to change to make the UK democratic again. She's talked about how even as Prime Minister she was unable to actually govern due to laws that had been brought in specifically to make interfering with the agenda illegal and how these laws need to be repealed. And she knows now how the Civil Service fight.

Farage wont countenance people who can threaten his position at the top of the pole. Actually more than that - who might share the top of the pole. Rupert Lowe the most obvious one. But for all the lettuce stuff in the media, she was Prime Minister and that gives her stature. The lettuce and other media howling was because she and Kwasi Karteng was doing things the Establishment didn't like. I think Farage's attitude is what will diminish Reform's effectiveness. He'll chose people who are loyal to him over people who are loyal to Reform's goals and these are inherently going to end up being different groups because he himself isn't dedicated to Reform's goals - he's a compromiser with a track record of doing the Homer Simpson disappearing into the hedge meme once the cameras are off.

A cadre of 100 people who are dedicated to their cause will be more effective than a 1000 people who can be subverted. Because they will be subverted.

1. "Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers."
Has he explicitly said anything about cancelling Kier's India deal then? Because to do the above he will need to but I will believe that when I see it. He needs to be explicit about if that's what he means. (Narrator's Voice: "He will not be explicit")
 
The thing Reform needs most are people who want to actually change things, not chase comfortable positions or asspats. So long as such a person isn't outright incompetent, that loyalty to the goals is an asset. And honestly, I see Truss as less likely to compromise and merge back into the Establishment than Farage. I've seen her be interviewed post-Prime Ministership and she knows exactly where she was blocked by what institutions and laws and has a very clear idea of what she wants to change to make the UK democratic again. She's talked about how even as Prime Minister she was unable to actually govern due to laws that had been brought in specifically to make interfering with the agenda illegal and how these laws need to be repealed. And she knows now how the Civil Service fight.
Truss being a consultant would be a good idea. Her public image is too Tory and too cabbage to be a key member of the party. Reform is the MAGA of the UK, it's not about the people in it, it's about the idea. Truss's public image would weaken the movement and make it look like they were taking in the Tory's weakest and most useless elements.
 
Truss being a consultant would be a good idea. Her public image is too Tory and too cabbage to be a key member of the party. Reform is the MAGA of the UK, it's not about the people in it, it's about the idea. Truss's public image would weaken the movement and make it look like they were taking in the Tory's weakest and most useless elements.
You're discussing how it affects Reforms chances of getting into power. That's not without merit but currently Labour and the Tories are doing everything they can to secure the vote for Reform (esp. Labour). I'm actually more concerned about what they do once they're in power. It's always good to have some idea of what will happen if you win. Farage was described by someone else here as like a dog chasing a car. He wont know what to do if he catches it. And that worries me more.

In fact, to tie that to your own point about it being about ideas and some of my earlier posts about Reform redirecting British desire for change into less fruitful channels, you might see this movement you talk about more successful long-term if it builds a little longer rather than the letting off of steam that would be Farage moving into No. 10. It's forcing the Tories and even Labour to shift more towards acknowledging what people want. Well, it's forcing Labour. On the Tory side it's more of an enabler for those more nationalistic Tories long-buried to be able to speak more freely. Either way though the movement is having a big success whether Reform seize power or not.

@Made In Wales is a petrol tank half-full sort and I'm a petrol tank half-empty sort. Which will be proved right I don't know. My argument is that the amount of petrol in the tank is rising. Right now, it's building more and more. But if you set off too early or with the wrong person at the wheel, you may run out before you get where you want to go. Anger is the petrol in this analogy of course, anger, outrage, desire for change. Can be explosive, just like petrol. But it also gets used up. Some want to light it now and think it will catch and spread wider and wider. They could be right. But I'm not so sure. When it comes to catching fire, the English are like coal compared to some demographics which are more like firewood or even kindling. Once it starts burning the heat is incredible and long-lasting. But getting it going is hard and takes a lot of heat to reach the critical point. Whereas the wrong word in South Central LA can be like a match in kindling but the next week it's all forgotten bar a few broken windows.

My analogies are all over the place but what I'm trying to get at is that premature success or too small success, can sap the energy from a movement almost as much as too little success. Nearly every pro-Reform poster in this thread will admit that they'd prefer someone other than Farage to be leading Reform in an ideal world (probably Lowe). But you compare the movement to MAGA - this wasn't true for MAGA. They overwhelmingly adored Trump.

I know adoring a politician isn't the English way. But even so.

Anyway, I could be wrong, I freely admit it. Maybe success will build on success will build on success. But I said here a while back that Reform supporters have two fights ahead of them. Firstly to get Reform in. Secondly to get Farage out. And the more success Reform gets, the more Farage takes credit for that and nestles in.

Anyway, that's my take. It's not meant to be an attempt to undermine anybody and frankly I don't think it will. People angry with Labour and the Tories are still going to vote Reform if you put a donkey in charge of the party. So I don't think I'm premature in worrying about who leads it.
 
Anyway, that's my take. It's not meant to be an attempt to undermine anybody and frankly I don't think it will. People angry with Labour and the Tories are still going to vote Reform if you put a donkey in charge of the party. So I don't think I'm premature in worrying about who leads it.
Half full or half empty we're all fucked if we wait any longer. Schools are brown as hell and unless something is done now the next generation will be browner. Going off half cocked is bad, but continuing to wait as they out breed us 10 to 1 gives us a decade before it's no longer possible to go off at all.

I agree with your post for the most part but the deadline is approaching. So half full or half empty we have a leak in the tank and we have to go before there's no fuel left at all.
 
Half full or half empty we're all fucked if we wait any longer. Schools are brown as hell and unless something is done now the next generation will be browner. Going off half cocked is bad, but continuing to wait as they out breed us 10 to 1 gives us a decade before it's no longer possible to go off at all.

I agree with your post for the most part but the deadline is approaching. So half full or half empty we have a leak in the tank and we have to go before there's no fuel left at all.
Then my advice is to stick your foot on the gas and don't lift it until you're going so fast that Nige can't drive you into a layby for a roadside picnic when he thinks you've gone far enough.

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"Rupert Lowes could be here," he thought. "I've never been North of the M60. With enough votes, you can go anywhere."
 
Some morning news from Wales Online/Trinity Mirror with some stories non-Wales specific:


''Wales and Port Talbot have a bright future under Labour' - Keir Starmer'


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Hannah Ingram-Moore's unexpected career switch post Captain Tom Moore charity scandal:


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National Trust announces huge cuts as costs 'outstrip growth', looking to save £26million:


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Hannah Ingram-Moore's unexpected career switch post Captain Tom Moore charity scandal:
This entire thing is hilarious. When the Captain Tom shit was happening during lockdown, it was so cringe to see but also nostalgic. Some old bloke walking up and down his garden, it was like a modern equivalent of eating Smash to kill the Nazis.

Also,
  • Gilt markets are currently at their highest level since 1998 and way above the Rachel From Accounts sobbing the other week.
  • Unemployment has gone up, even before the new Labour welfare reforms have kicked in. Companies are scared and it's showing.
  • Keir Starmer redefines "working people" for the sixth time.
  • Labour have confirmed they're giving 16 year olds the vote. Wasn't this part of their manifesto or am I blending that in with a Lib Dem manifesto from 2019?
How much worse can this get?
 
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