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Goofy wheelchair aside, if Kadghar was forced to be without working legs or something in order to recover from whatever it is he went through, give him some fucking character!
He is probably the third or fouth male character who got put in a "cuck chair" be the written staff so some girlboss can shine in his place. I don't think he ever going to get any character or his dignity looking at Thrall (Elemental Magic dysfunction since Mist) or Anduin (Light Magic dysfunction since Shadowlands).
 
Re: Wheelchair debate.

The wheelchair can work. See Arenvald in FF14. So you want to show that there are consequences to battles and that people do not always escape unscathed. So people need to get hurt. Maybe you don't want someone to get killed off, so you instead just dismember/cripple/blind/scar them. Confining someone to a wheelchair or striking them blind like Ignis is a way to maintain the illusion of danger without tossing the character out.

Main issue as aforementioned is that the pink effect looks tacky. Also, he's a world leader. Maybe he won't fight anymore but he'll still show up to senate meetings, or show up to class to teach, or become the dean of a college, etc. He should have a snazzier chair than basic wood cuts.


It's funny seeing how Blizzard initially wanted to give deep back stories to the player but realized it was a bad idea as it would give every player the same story, and now every expansion is "Champion bringer of Maw Walking and Hero please kill some boars."

It's like they forgot people join the game at different points and some people will be veterans while others will be newbies. They have these weird things called achievements that they could tie story into on a purely superficial level, but decide not to.


Some youtuber talked about this when he tried retail WoW for the first time. He finished Exile's Reach and got dumped into BFA, where now he is personally being requested by Magni to wield the heart of azeroth, then went to Kul'Tiras where he is then standing next to King Genn Greymane, people are entrusting him with massive stuff as if he is a big deal or has been a long time confidante/agent when he was literally just some new random recruit an hour prior.

The WoW story is simply far too long and bifurcated to force people go through the entirety of it from beginning to end like in FF14, which is impossible anyone given how much content has been removed. Perhaps instead of Exile's Reach being about a new army recruit, you instead get a prologue about how your newly created character is actually a war vet who has participated in a vague amount of prior conflicts and took a vacation, and is now being requested to come back into the fold. So your character now suddenly being brought into high level meetings with sovereigns and being the go-to agent for important missions would be more coherent.
 
Some youtuber talked about this when he tried retail WoW for the first time. He finished Exile's Reach and got dumped into BFA, where now he is personally being requested by Magni to wield the heart of azeroth, then went to Kul'Tiras where he is then standing next to King Genn Greymane, people are entrusting him with massive stuff as if he is a big deal or has been a long time confidante/agent when he was literally just some new random recruit an hour prior.

The WoW story is simply far too long and bifurcated to force people go through the entirety of it from beginning to end like in FF14, which is impossible anyone given how much content has been removed. Perhaps instead of Exile's Reach being about a new army recruit, you instead get a prologue about how your newly created character is actually a war vet who has participated in a vague amount of prior conflicts and took a vacation, and is now being requested to come back into the fold. So your character now suddenly being brought into high level meetings with sovereigns and being the go-to agent for important missions would be more coherent.
Or stop making every store about the player being the mega ultra champion who has been in every war ever. Write it as you're one of many heroes taking up the call for adventure and if you really want to make long term players feel special throw in a few extra lines of text or dialogue that are tied to achievements. Such as

Standard Dialogue: "Adventurer, it's good you are here, we need more bodies as the tide of battle shifts. Gather your skills and go forth to prove yourself."

Alternate Dialogue: "Adventurer, it's good you are here, we could use more seasoned champions such as yourself. Your aid at [Latest Previous Raid Expansion] was valuable and with your help here we may win the day as we had then."

It's an MMO for fuck sakes, it's not supposed to be the story of one person doing everything but the story of you being part of something bigger. The big battles didn't have ten people plus Thrall, they probably had hundreds if not thousands.


The wheelchair can work. See Arenvald in FF14
I'd say the big difference is that Final Fantasy feels much more low tech and low magic than WoW. You simply don't have the entire races of characters with full mechanical limbs or magic like Demon Hunters that replaces their eyes with magic vision. I'm not as familiar with Final Fantasy, but every time I saw something that's beyond our mechanical capability it was big, clunky, and expensive whereas futuristic machinery in WoW is commonplace.

If WoW was limited to things like mechanical shredders or whatever, then sure, but when you see tons of robots and fully sentient robot species it becomes silly.
 
'd say the big difference is that Final Fantasy feels much more low tech and low magic than WoW. You simply don't have the entire races of characters with full mechanical limbs or magic like Demon Hunters that replaces their eyes with magic vision. I'm not as familiar with Final Fantasy, but every time I saw something that's beyond our mechanical capability it was big, clunky, and expensive whereas futuristic machinery in WoW is commonplace.

If WoW was limited to things like mechanical shredders or whatever, then sure, but when you see tons of robots and fully sentient robot species it becomes silly.
Arvenvald is also, in essence, just some guy. Someone who can handle your low level tasks and belongs to your organization but the idea that he could get permanently maimed isn't some far off crazy idea. FFXIV doesn't have much in the way of nonsense magic and the advanced tech is tech that virtually no one knows how to use (and routinely kills the researchers trying to find out how it works).

That said, put Arenvald in the fucking G-Warrior it's just sitting there.

Khagdar is possibly the most powerful wizard of all time in WoW, a game with a large history of extremely powerful spellcasters. Even if there was some reason he had to use that specific wheelchair (and there isn't) for fuck's sake at least have someone take the 5 seconds to hang a Kirin Tor banner on it or something. Not only is it impractical but it's just so boring for someone of his status. In a world where there are massive stories about the weapons, armor, and mounts used by various heroes across time and then they go "just put him in a real ass wheelchair, fuck it" is wild. Just give him https://www.wowhead.com/item=238994/archmages-great-raven or something, it already has his name on it.
 
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Arvenvald is also, in essence, just some guy. Someone who can handle your low level tasks and belongs to your organization but the idea that he could get permanently maimed isn't some far off crazy idea. FFXIV doesn't have much in the way of nonsense magic and the advanced tech is tech that virtually no one knows how to use (and routinely kills the researchers trying to find out how it works).

Ehh, not quite.

Arenvald is someone who has the Echo (a rare ability very few people in XIV's world have and which the player character possesses.)

His injury comes as a result of that status and his being confined to a wheelchair is because he isn't taking an active role anymore and is recovering/sitting on the sidelines, and his realization he's not going to be able to help in the way he wants to is a minor plot point, as it is with Fordola's (another character who was paired up with Arenvald for a while.)

I'd say the big difference is that Final Fantasy feels much more low tech and low magic than WoW.

14 is super high-tech. There's an ancient civilization called the Allagans who basically were like acid trip sci-fi, the present time Garlean Empire, which would probably be closest to WoW's level of tech (and uses a diesel punk aesthetic), and then the new kingdom introduced in the recent expansion who live in a mall and have super contemporary and futuristic shit.
 
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Sometimes I forget how non-involved Khadgar was for several expansions, then suddenly became the primary drive behind any and all things. Which was nice at first, seeing a competent mage and not "Uhhhr rrr my spirits!!!" thrall trauma dumping. But now it's like.. why are they not pushing up new characters? Some of the allied race leaders.

That said: I enjoyed leveling in cata for quite a while but the panda talents just completely turned me off of it. Fresh feels dead in the water despite it being actively developed, but seeing how freely they're changing up "Classic" with ng+ type changes isn't a good look.
 
I'd say the big difference is that Final Fantasy feels much more low tech and low magic than WoW.
Even base game has the bad guys armed with robots, hover aircraft, laser weapons, and guided rockets. Then three expansions in you're having mech on mech fights with lightsabers
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That said: I enjoyed leveling in cata for quite a while but the panda talents just completely turned me off of it.
My looking-back feeling is that Cata is the least-bad implementation of the traditional Talent Trees (vanilla-cata, DF, and War Within) that has existed in WoW in that there is some sort of micro "choices" and most points feel individually impactful but the MoP-SL talent system is probably better at giving you actual choices. And arguably the MoP version of many specs is the best they've ever been feel-wise
 
My looking-back feeling is that Cata is the least-bad implementation of the traditional Talent Trees (vanilla-cata, DF, and War Within) that has existed in WoW in that there is some sort of micro "choices" and most points feel individually impactful but the MoP-SL talent system is probably better at giving you actual choices. And arguably the MoP version of many specs is the best they've ever been feel-wise
Most MoP talents simply do not change shit. "want an active shield or a passive-at-20% shield?". "Strictly more ST or AoE dmg?". It's literally just a bunch of switches to flip before engaging the hyperdrive towards a boss. Even if you just followed a guide, cata-and-before talents were somewhat fun to play with, at least while leveling. A few noob traps here and there but nothing grotesque. Meanwhile retail actually does a decent job for my mains I'd say. Pick the go-to meta build, swap an ability for a passive here and there; 18% dps 'loss' easily gained back by now playing an easier spec.

I logged onto my lv 62 lock during mop prepatch and while it felt cool shitting out imps, it was just such a huge shift from cata lock. I don't mind forcing myself to learn a class anew with each expansion. In fact I prefer it, but it has to carry over the fantasy. Mage is a hard-hitting turret- until it isn't, like in retail, where even arcane is a very mobile shotgun spec. Hell, I like the mage fantasy more than its gameplay and have for several years. The tier 2 mage set remade in HD and red/fire themed? Immediately had me thinking 'damn I should get back into fire mage', knowing I fucking loathe it. But mage is cool. Or was, pre-WoD'ish.

Iunno. I'm sat here farming the hourly goblin emissary shit but even with the mount drop increase I can't bring myself to grinding old content. There is no future in this game, but it's superior to all other mmos, so it's #wowornothing. :(
 
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In a world where there are massive stories about the weapons, armor, and mounts used by various heroes across time and then they go "just put him in a real ass wheelchair, fuck it" is wild. Just give him https://www.wowhead.com/item=238994/archmages-great-raven or something, it already has his name on it
This is the shit that annoys me the most; Have some fun with the concept if you're gonna do something like this. I vaguely remember the Sly Cooper series having one of the characters end up in a wheelchair by the end of one of the games, by the start of the next game he's got one that's loaded with gadgets.
 
Khagdar is possibly the most powerful wizard of all time in WoW,
Not even close.

Not even Remotely Close, Khagdar could make an argument for strongest Human Mage Currently alive but..I don't even think he achieves top ten mage in the setting, I love Dadgar and he is my favorite mission Control talking head character but I don't think he has ever shown particularly high strength in magic..He is just good at tard wrangling the Alliance and Horde.
 
Not even close.

Not even Remotely Close, Khagdar could make an argument for strongest Human Mage Currently alive but..I don't even think he achieves top ten mage in the setting, I love Dadgar and he is my favorite mission Control talking head character but I don't think he has ever shown particularly high strength in magic..He is just good at tard wrangling the Alliance and Horde.
Just so. In a setting that has Azshara and Aman’thul, Khadgar just can’t compete. Illidan also would be significantly more powerful (even if he hasn’t used much magic since going full demon hunter). Medivh is also still alive (even if he isn’t a Guardian any more), and we’re about to get an ethereal patch, those guys are all very powerful in magic. Jaina. Thalryssa. Kel’Thuzad.
Khadgar’s strength comes more from obscure knowledge than actual power. He’s probably one of the most versatile mages, but not a super powerful one. Arguably a player mage is more powerful, since he keeps coming to them for help.
 
Aman’thul,
Lets ignore Aman'Thul and Noregann cause you know...Titans.

Azshara was a mage, So was Xavius (he was Azshara's Chief Mage), Likely Elesande and Thalryssia are/were stronger.
Archimonde was a mage
I..think Kil'jadeen was as well
I don't think we can count The various Gaurdians since they get empowered, but Alodi and Meryl are probably stronger than Khadgar (Meryl fucking Necromancied himself by accidident while dead IIRC)

and of Course Illidan, even after he went Demon Hunter..used arcane magic more than you would think.

Edit : RE Khadgar's wheel chair.

I do want to point out that "Make a Floating Wheel Chair out of Arcane Magic just because I can" is kind of in character for Warlords/Legion Era Khadgar to do.

It's still stupid..but like "Thrall using the Dragon Soul" IF they are gonna do it..they did pick the one guy it fits for.

Thrall (Elemental Magic dysfunction since Mist)
The worst part of that is that HE FIXED THAT IN SHADOWLANDS.
 
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He was, but then they turned him into a retarded Jobber.
Turned him into? Dude Bitched out like a cuck the moment he got discovered in his first appearance than got Killed in his second.

Nigger died every time he showed his face except when Arthas was with him.
 
Turned him into? Dude Bitched out like a cuck the moment he got discovered in his first appearance than got Killed in his second.

Nigger died every time he showed his face except when Arthas was with him.
he died like 5 fucking times.
it's gotta be a weird level of masochism fetish at this point.
 
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