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MFer, I'm 85 years old. You think I haven't bothered to look into who the fuck Jesus was or if he actually existed? GTFO. Literally no scholar argues he didn't exist at this point. You lookin' the fool.
Robert M. Price certainly does, among a number of others. The edit history of the wiki pages of Jesus and Historical Jesus have been quite thing to watch over the last fifteen years or so, and while it does currently say "no scholars argue he didn't exist" the foot note literally sources those that do.

All I am saying is saying scholarship uniformly agrees on anything is probably gonna get pushback.

Have a good nap grandpa.
 
I meant to comment it when they were throwing a fit about it a couple weeks ago, but Democrats know exactly what they are doing when they demand ICE Agents not cover their faces, and this is the outcome they are hoping for.
Most likely robbery gone wrong.
NYC has been having to deal with Brazilian tier crime the exact moment they began to shovel Venezuelans into the city.

Oh. I saw the post with the video saying they're Dominicans. Same thing. They all do the flip flop wearing on mopeds in pairs.
 
I've also heard megachurches do less to help the poor than other/smaller mainstream churches.
If you're familiar with the phrase "blab it and grab it", you'll understand everything immediately.
You might wanna investigate that claim there, bud.
See Tacitus, writing about Nero's reign in his Annals:

Such indeed were the precautions of human wisdom. The next thing was to seek means of propitiating the gods, and recourse was had to the Sibylline books, by the direction of which prayers were offered to Vulcanus, Ceres, and Proserpina. Juno, too, was entreated by the matrons, first, in the Capitol, then on the nearest part of the coast, whence water was procured to sprinkle the fane and image of the goddess. And there were sacred banquets and nightly vigils celebrated by married women. But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.

Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyed.

Tacitus was a little boy when Nero was emperor, Jesus' life would have been in living memory. Tacitus was a pagan who hated Christianity; he would have found no purpose in lying about Jesus walking this earth.
 
Have a good nap grandpa.

MOTHERFUCKER IM GETTING DRUNK I DONT NEED NO GOD DAMN NAP IM A FREIGHT TRAIN YOU SEE THIS DICK HERE GET OFF MY LAWN

Yes, Price is like the only hold out and no one takes his position seriously. Watch Ehrman debate him for 5 minutes and you realize wassup. They use to argue whether Pilate existed too but I'd think the Pilate Stone put that to rest finally. Jesus existed. His followers were willing to die over whoever he was. Take that for whatever you want to. I'm cool calling him king. Do whatever you want.
 
Tacitus was a little boy when Nero was emperor, Jesus' life would have been in living memory. Tacitus was a pagan who hated Christianity; he would have found no purpose in lying about Jesus walking this earth
Yes, I am aware thanks. I wasnt arguing against the historicism of Jesus, just pointing out that detractors do exist in academia and scholarship and pretending they don't is either disingenuous or misinformed, and it something i see go on in both camps. "No contemporary independent accounts" vs. "No scholars think he didn't exist!"
 
MOTHERFUCKER IM GETTING DRUNK I DONT NEED NO GOD DAMN NAP IM A FREIGHT TRAIN YOU SEE THIS DICK HERE GET OFF MY LAWN

Yes, Price is like the only hold out and no one takes his position seriously. Watch Ehrman debate him for 5 minutes and you realize wassup. They use to argue whether Pilate existed too but I'd think the Pilate Stone put that to rest finally. Jesus existed. His followers were willing to die over whoever he was. Take that for whatever you want to. I'm cool calling him king. Do whatever you want.
I think a lot of detractors point to the messy, unintersecting time lines of Herod and Jesus.
 
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Some people I've talked to feel government-sponsored TV and radio should not be endorsing any single political viewpoint akin to a separation of church or state and that a variety of opinions need to be presented if they want to broadcast that kind of content.
it would be great if we could steer PBS/NPR and other government media back towards focusing on neutral things like cooking or woodworking or local commerce but they've become overrun with communists who only care about tearing down the fabric of America so the only solution at this point is to raze them and build anew
 
Out of all that you said this sticks out to me, because to my mind a perfect world isn't one where 'god does everything for me' its one where there's nothing that needs doing because he got it all right the first time with no mistakes. The only conclusion you can draw from this is that our suffering is intentional. We are intended to suffer from hunger, disease, predation, natural disasters and the heart of human darkness itself, from our own ignorance and limited ability to understand. You say there is a purpose in mind. You may well be correct but so what? A tool has a purpose. A slave has a purpose. I prefer not to consider myself either of these things.

Also I resent being compared to reddit-athiesm. Im not smugly chuckling in your face or treating you like a rube with your backwards magical beliefs. I'm treating you respectfully and engaging directly with god's morality as though he is real rather than dismissing the entire idea out of hand because 'Lul skydaddy isnt real retard' so that at least puts me into the agnostic category
Read Leibniz’s The Problem of Evil if you want some logical perspective on why suffering is necessary under God. Of course, it’s up to you to decide if you like his logic.
 
I think a lot of detractors point to the messy, unintersecting time lines of Herod and Jesus.

That's a solid point but we're only talking about a decade apart (twix Herod vs Quirinius' census). Sure, is that a discrepancy? Yes, but in normal historic scholarship, we wouldn't take it as a hard fact that he didn't exist. This kind of issue doesn't disprove he existed but does color what the purpose of the New Testament was. Personally, I think Price's position is naive and very outdated the same way Freud's is. It sounds good and intuitive at first glance, but that ain't shit. It ain't 1970 anymore and we have a much broader understanding of the world and historic scholarship. There's plenty of reason to think Jesus existed and in scholarship it's more controversial these days to say the opposite.
 
I think a lot of detractors point to the messy, unintersecting time lines of Herod and Jesus.
If this is talking about King Herod dying in Matthew after his massacre of male babies/toddlers in Judaea but appears later on to have John the Baptist executed, I'd like to point out the practice of names being passed down through dynasties. Detractors = modern day Sadducees who claim to be "experts" about scriptural issues but really aren't as they try to push for secularization by trying to look through a book without error with a fine-toothed comb to find something to lie about and spin.

@Potion_Time - Re: Herod, yes, The Jewish War by Josephus opens with a biographical account of King Herod's life, and what is known about him lines up with the account of his life in the New Testament - paranoid and jealous man prone to violent outbursts. Incidentally, I've seen some atheist Jews revile Christians and deny Jesus's existence in the process.
 
I meant to comment it when they were throwing a fit about it a couple weeks ago, but Democrats know exactly what they are doing when they demand ICE Agents not cover their faces, and this is the outcome they are hoping for.
The funniest thing to me about the situation is I distinctly remember how back during covid you had leftist, with their pop culture addled brain, pointing out how "Batman, Spiderman, all superheroes wear masks!"

And now you have people wearing masks while they enforce the law, so they can protect their identities and the ones they love from enemies who would do they harm. And those same leftists hate them. Makes me go
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