Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Re(Runner)48]

Also, I request Mammon to have some fat cat design to him because it screams greed.

want a mixture of green, yellow and black. Someone wanted Mammon as a Toad or something when working on the rewrite which would be interesting but what would even a Toad correlate to his character?

Interesting for my designs so far I just make him be a hand demon to add to the greed hes just made of sinners severed hands. (Also playing with a custom where theiving hands get cut off as punishment.) I also added that he wouldn't talk in a traditional sense but with hands, and they would move like sign language. Sort of like Helping Hands in the labyrinth

Or another was a Hyena as they are known for their greed, I'll keep those suggestions in mind.

 

[Life is Hell...]

Interesting for my designs so far I just make him be a hand demon to add to the greed hes just made of sinners severed hands. (Also playing with a custom where theiving hands get cut off as punishment.) I also added that he wouldn't talk in a traditional sense but with hands, and they would move like sign language. Sort of like Helping Hands in the labyrinth

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Or another was a Hyena as they are known for their greed, I'll keep those suggestions in mind.

I really like the Hand idea honestly, would love to see how it would look.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

I really like the Hand idea honestly, would love to see how it would look.

Thanks so far its a personal favorite sin of mine so far. I also thought if he touches you with his hands, you turn into gold like King Midas, and he collects his people in a Smuag like gold hoard and he actually eats his wealth gold and diamonds you name it. When I hone it a bit more I'll post him.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Thanks so far its a personal favorite sin of mine so far. I also thought if he touches you with his hands, you turn into gold like King Midas, and he collects his people in a Smuag like gold hoard and he actually eats his wealth gold and diamonds you name it. When I hone it a bit more I'll post him.

I wonder if medusa came to play with Levi?

 

[The tired cat]

This has been making me think about my own designs for a bit. So I'll far just ask some questions about the character designs so far out of the redesigns which are the best? And which portray the characters better? Which ones suck?

I def like Moxxie, Millie, Alastor, Charlie, Angel Dust, Crimson, Satan and Adam.

 

[Chromeo]

Interesting for my designs so far I just make him be a hand demon to add to the greed hes just made of sinners severed hands. (Also playing with a custom where theiving hands get cut off as punishment.) I also added that he wouldn't talk in a traditional sense but with hands, and they would move like sign language. Sort of like Helping Hands in the labyrinth

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Or another was a Hyena as they are known for their greed, I'll keep those suggestions in mind.

My suggestion is learn how to thumbnail so your posts don't take up the entire computer screen

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Alastor

Alastor as a character is too good for this crap.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Alastor as a character is too good for this crap.

Maybe at one point but now. Nahh, hes too much of a baby now. People command him to do something then he has tantrums like a toddler.

"But MOOOMMM! I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A COMMERCIAL, OR WORK ON THE HOTEELLLL!! MAHHHHHH!!"

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

Maybe at one point but now. Nahh, hes too much of a baby now. People command him to do something then he has tantrums like a toddler.

"But MOOOMMM! I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A COMMERCIAL, OR WORK ON THE HOTEELLLL!! MAHHHHHH!!"

That surprisingly happens quite often, it's like 99% of the Hellaverse is a bunch of man/womanchildren
>Vox spazzes out because Alastor dunked on him in his own song (ironically this comes right after him shittalking Valentino for having a category 5 chimp out over Angel Dust)
>Satan goes on an autistic tangent about him being the real mastermind (I still don't understand what the fuck the point of his song was besides gassing himself up in the middle of a trial) just because Stolas takes all the blame for the IMP debacle
>basically the rest of the Sins are retards that lower themselves to the level of raging at random hellborn (Beelzebub at Loona, Mammon at Fizz, Asmodeus at Crimson) instead of just fucking squashing them with the flick of their wrist and moving on
to be fair to Mammon, Fizz is his main money machine; but he already had Glitz & Glam lined up as replacements anyway
>the less said about Stolas, the better
>Verosika still seethes over Blitzo to the point of throwing hate parties every year
>as I've spoken about previously, female characters have a tendency to run dumbshit secretive schemes for the seeming sake of it (i.e. Sera, Lilith & Eve if the leaks are to be believed)
>Adam's crashout at least gets a pass because it only happens once he's been pushed to the literal brink

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Everyone literally has shit fits that they can all be considered lolcows.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

List off the characters crashout or characteristics that makes them lolcows.

Spoiler: Lolcow Hall of Fame Hazbin Hotel

Charlie
>Is very upset that her girlfriend won't tell her about the fact she had been an exorcist angel and decided to cold shoulder her despite the fact this bitch cannot keep her mouth closed for a damn secret. She's also Star Butterfly's disciple.
>After deciding to fence sit about she should do something about Angel Dust's mistreatment she decided to break boundaries by sperging and making the situation worse.
>Final battle against the Angels got her ass cooked just for her '''absent daddy''' to save her ass last minute.

Lucifer
>Muh depression
>Muh autism diagnosis
>Literally the sources of hells problem but just like Stolas is the creators pet retard
>Literally is a piece of shit character

Lilith and Eve
>exists without even saying a word, immediately outrage for no apparent reason

Alastor
>I'm about to fucking end your life
>literally blows his lid off about Vox/Losing to Adam
>refuses to do a commercial because muh only gimmick is muh radio not new fangled devices because muh new tech makes me sad
>literally crashes out after Lucifer makes fun of his ass and quits, tried to talk smack to a jewish woman but got put in his place by said woman
>is owned by a white woman

Angel Dust
>cries about shit no one cares about, somehow is a victim despite making the others around him uncomfortable
>everyone around him is literally annoyed with him but puts up with him for some reason
>creators treat him as lower pet retard because goon
>trannie so thats a automatic L.

Husk
>furry that hates being sexually harassed
>somehoe hates his FUCKING LIFE
>if bossman was a hazbin character this is it
>sings a song degrading a SA victim
>crashes out after sex offender victim tries to harass him which is very reasonable i do not want a sodimite harassing me either

Niffty
>nothing much to say other then she killed chadam for a joke. Literally a joke character

Vagatha
>nothing, other then she's a genocidal maniac with a tendency to keep to herself.

Sir Pentious
>i am compelled to say most of his autistic spergouts contained to how "cool he is"
>actually is retarded
>literally dude was big talk and no cattle before he got BTFO'd by Alastor's asspull of powers.
<he's disinclined for being a insult character of a real life person that Viv fucked over, more about that on the Viv Thread.

Cherri Bomb
>fake Australian with a personality so inconsistent that it could apply to be Saturn's backup asteriod belt
>personality is one note, but never EVER leave around children
>Angel Dust's true OPP because what kind of friend things drags and achaool is cool?

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Angel Dust
>cries about shit no one cares about, somehow is a victim despite making the others around him uncomfortable
>everyone around him is literally annoyed with him but puts up with him for some reason
>creators treat him as lower pet retard because goon

I really fucking hate Angel's 'Oh woe is me' attitude, even after Husk's song, and I fucking hate how both the show and the fandom babies him and how he should be coddled. Dude was a fucking Italian mobster during the 30s-40s.

I want someone really calling out his shit, imagine if it was revealed that in life he was a member of Murder Incorporated or at least a fictionialized group directly based off it. You would have a character who in life killed dozens of folks (sometimes torturing them if the poor bastard pissed off the family that ordered the hit) for no other reason than a payday, and in Hell has been reduced to a sexual plaything by one of the more powerful Sinners. Maybe this Angel from the start of the series realizes just how fucked up he was in life, or maybe he has the 'Woe is me' attitude until someone calls him out and tells him he was a total bastard in life. Not to mention his backstory could serve as a dark take on I.M.P. which would be interesting if pulled off competently.

But no, knowing how much of a lack of a spine Viv has to actually challenge the audience with having empathy for people who done terrible things for inexcusable reasons, Angel will almost certainly be distanced from all the Mob's more extreme activities and mainly ended up in Hell because he was a drug addict.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

I really fucking hate Angel's 'Oh woe is me' attitude, even after Husk's song, and I fucking hate how both the show and the fandom babies him and how he should be coddled. Dude was a fucking Italian mobster during the 30s-40s.

I want someone really calling out his shit, imagine if it was revealed that in life he was a member of Murder Incorporated or at least a fictionialized group directly based off it. You would have a character who in life killed dozens of folks (sometimes torturing them if the poor bastard pissed off the family that ordered the hit) for no other reason than a payday, and in Hell has been reduced to a sexual plaything by one of the more powerful Sinners. Maybe this Angel from the start of the series realizes just how fucked up he was in life, or maybe he has the 'Woe is me' attitude until someone calls him out and tells him he was a total bastard in life.
Not to mention his backstory could serve as a dark take on I.M.P. which would be interesting if pulled off competently.

But no, knowing how much of a lack of a spine Viv has to actually challenge the audience with having empathy for people who done terrible things for inexcusable reasons, Angel will almost certainly have been distanced from all the Mob's more extreme activities and mainly ended up in Hell because he was a drug addict.

We already had Limus criticize it, but she was revealed to have been in a server talking weirdly around minors. Also, whenever the characters get or is about to get comeuppence the character is immediately labeled as a unreasonable abuser, sounds like a similar story to another Lolcow that crossed over with Viv...

 

[LucasSomething]

I really fucking hate Angel's 'Oh woe is me' attitude, even after Husk's song, and I fucking hate how both the show and the fandom babies him and how he should be coddled. Dude was a fucking Italian mobster during the 30s-40s.

I want someone really calling out his shit, imagine if it was revealed that in life he was a member of Murder Incorporated or at least a fictionialized group directly based off it. You would have a character who in life killed dozens of folks (sometimes torturing them if the poor bastard pissed off the family that ordered the hit) for no other reason than a payday, and in Hell has been reduced to a sexual plaything by one of the more powerful Sinners. Maybe this Angel from the start of the series realizes just how fucked up he was in life, or maybe he has the 'Woe is me' attitude until someone calls him out and tells him he was a total bastard in life. Not to mention his backstory could serve as a dark take on I.M.P. which would be interesting if pulled off competently.

But no, knowing how much of a lack of a spine Viv has to actually challenge the audience with having empathy for people who done terrible things for inexcusable reasons, Angel will almost certainly be distanced from all the Mob's more extreme activities and mainly ended up in Hell because he was a drug addict.

Season 2 is allegedly making Pentius "hell earning sin" to be not reporting a murder out of fear which is extremely easy to forgive and shifts the topic to him being a victim.

If Angel's backstory is ever explained vivzie will 100% reveal he never killed anyone, only joined the mafia because they saved him from a rapist (bonus if his Mob were "honorable good guys", double bonus if they're overdesigned OCs to sell merch) and Angel only did drugs cause he was suicidally depressed.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Season 2 is allegedly making Pentius "hell earning sin" to be not reporting a murder out of fear which is extremely easy to forgive and shifts the topic to him being a victim.

He was also a insult character of someone Viv allowed the fanbase to bully hence why I never listed any true things that stood out to me as a potential lolcow. Other then hes a britfag.

 

[Chromeo]

Season 2 is allegedly making Pentius "hell earning sin" to be not reporting a murder out of fear which is extremely easy to forgive and shifts the topic to him being a victim.

There's an argument to be made that Sir Pentious' sin is a sin of sloth; he chose not to do the morally correct thing when he could've in spite of the consequences. That's what sloth is; a spiritual apathy for one's duties and responsibilities. Then you consider that all sins are equal in the eyes of God (except Blasphemy, which is unforgivable because it's a rejection of God,) so even if that was the ONLY thing Sir Pentious ever did, if he wasn't forgiven he ends up in Hell.
Except Vivziepop doesn't know or care about Christian theology, so whatever. Though it'd be kind of cool to see a courtroom style show where sinners have to prove their sin is forgivable to not be sent to Hell forever. Charlie is the overworked lawyer who started this whole process, Adam is the judge and Lute is his baliff who is more than ready to punish the sinners....

Spoiler: autism

While I'm rewriting Hazbin Hotel for no reason, I had another thought; I don't like that sinners are stuck in one ring. The whole point of the seven deadly sins and the rings of hell is that sinners go to certain rings based on their sin! If they did that in the show, it'd be a great way to see what a character's general sin was before learning the specifics. If Sir Pentious' sin is sloth because he failed to do the right thing, he could end up in the sloth ring and have a candle head like the demons there. And if he's this Victorian inventor with a candle head, why not make him a steampunk street lamp inspired guy? It'd be so cool!
And while we're talking about how the sinners' appearances change, what if the newcomers/lowest level sinners still look mostly humanoid, but the more powerful and ancient they become, the less human they get? There's already some of that power scaling with the whole normal form vs demon form, but just...what if it was consistent! What if it was cooler!! and what if the winners in Heaven didn't have any of that shit going on and just looked like normal people, because they aren't warped/dehumanized by their sin!

 

[Mad Hunter]

I wonder what Panty and Stocking, another demon and angel show with lots of sex and cursing, is doing more correctly than Hazbin Hotel? Seriously, I'm seeing more TikTokers criticize Hazbin Hotel.

If Angel's backstory is ever explained vivzie will 100% reveal he never killed anyone, only joined the mafia because they saved him from a rapist (bonus if his Mob were "honorable good guys", double bonus if they're overdesigned OCs to sell merch) and Angel only did drugs cause he was suicidally depressed.

After that, I hope her audience does a 180 and calls that out. Viv clearly has very little respect for the time periods, professions, and circumstances of her characters.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

I just remembered seeing this image on tumblr a while back, also on Twitter.

Had some comments saying “Yeah, that’s basically a Vivziepop character.” I don’t entirely agree though, needs to be more of a weepy twink.

 

[graywolf88]

I just remembered seeing this image on tumblr a while back, also on Twitter.
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Had some comments saying “Yeah, that’s basically a Vivziepop character.” I don’t entirely agree though, needs to be more of a weepy twink.

Reminds me more of a Smiling Friends character than anything. Specifically James from S2 Ep1.

 

[Clancee]

I wonder what Panty and Stocking, another demon and angel show with lots of sex and cursing, is doing more correctly than Hazbin Hotel?

You aren't supposed to take the characters and the situations they get into seriously, it's part of the joke. Panty is a slut but they don't try to make you feel bad for her. They show up, we get introduced to the ghost of the episode, they kill the ghost and throw in the sex jokes, episode over.

Hazbin wants you to feel bad for people like Angel Dust who's a porn star because he's a victim uwu. It also wants you to take it seriously as this 2deep4u show with an overarching storyline, but with excessive cursing, too many sex jokes, and way too much characters. Most of them aren't even important to the story.

Edit: That said, I much prefer Pilot Angel to Series Angel.