Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

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When will the Judge issue a ruling regarding the Motion to Dismiss?

  • This Month

    Votes: 67 14.7%
  • Next Month

    Votes: 55 12.1%
  • This Year

    Votes: 73 16.0%
  • Next Year

    Votes: 152 33.3%
  • Whenever he issues an update to the sanctions

    Votes: 109 23.9%

  • Total voters
    456
The District Judge is obviously trying to dismiss this case. This is one of the most appeal-proof ways to dismiss a case of the plaintiff would not obey court orders. Null would also want some kind of dismissal that is impossible to appeal too.

Isn't it possible, nay likely, that Greer will just refuse to pay, it gets dismissed by the District Judge on that ground alone, at which point Greer proceeds to appeal to the 10th Circuit anyway (happily paying the filing fee rather than pay a single red cent to Null)?

Of note also is that the judge said he will consider other Rule 11 sanctions alongside his ruling on Motion to Dismiss, so what Russ owes not might not even be close to final. There is also ANOTHER Rule 11 sanction that the Judge is writing an order for as per the May 6th hearing.

That was the Magistrate. The District Judge continues to demonstrate only the barest willingness to look at the totality of the fuckery. And there are three open motions for sanctions from our side: ECF 234 (from fucking February), ECF 330 (the fraudulently-obtained subpoena while discovery was stayed), and ECF 337 (Greer's huge swath of lies to try and get out of the May 6 hearing). Not to mention Greer's continued defiance of the order to produce the Utah documents. They're all just sitting there.
 
I am looking at the stars. They are so far away. And their light takes so long to reach us.

It's February, 2018, and I am laughing. Null has posted a deranged email. Some guy named Russell Greer is saying Null doesn't have permission to have Greer's book, Why I Sued Taylor Swift, "...on your sure." [sic]. There is no context provided. There is no link to the material. There are just threats that Josh is already being investigated for electronic harassment and "let's laugh about it in the court room".

It's October 16, 2023. The United States District Court of Utah has reversed the lower court's judgement to dismiss Greer's case. They want to hold Null responsible for linking to a different site hosting the infringing copy of Greer's book. They are attempting to punish him retroactively, claiming the copy was posted as a result of being linked to. Users are befuddled. The Digital Justice Foundation celebrates.

It's September 24, 2020. Greer has successfully petitioned for in forma pauperis standing. He immediately files an injunction (later overturned) against the site. The injunction eventually is denied, after serial legal misconduct by the plaintiff.

It's March 20, 2024. The defendant has successfully transferred the case from Utah to the District Court of Northern Florida. Greer enters a rambling plightsperg rife with mentions of "But the 10th circuit said!" in response. Users hope that this will bring about a swift end to the case. Instead, it will be ping-ponged back to Utah, once again. They do not know this. They are still optimistic.

It's December 6th, 2021. Russell has found some lawyers to represent him for free. The Digital Justice Foundation. Users ask questions about where they came from. They have a sketchy tax history. Turns out the Digital Justice Foundation are copyright sharks, with little interest in Russell Greer, specifically, and much more in making it easier for content online to be claimed/taken down. The case continues.

It's Christmas, 2024. Russell Greer's witnesses are un-findable. One is, in fact, dead. Many laughs are had. Much shock at the state of this case is expressed. How is this still going on? How has this not been dismissed for Greer repeatedly refusing to prosecute the case?

It is now May, 2025. The plaintiff remotely attends the first direct meeting in this case, so far. He is in Winnemucca, trying to convince a town council to let him seize a portion of a man's moto hotel and turn it into a brothel. The town council is unwelcoming to his advances. Matthew Hardin, the long-suffering lawyer for the defense, has begun to lose it with the kafkaesque way in which this lawsuit is being conducted. This spring, he began aggressively targeting Greer for sanctions. Some have been awarded, then modified without explanation by a judge, then ignored by the courts. Greer has still not paid. Users are growing cynical. The original case is now being cited by Sony in a copyright suit at the Supreme Court. The Digital Justice Foundation got their legal precedent, the only thing they ever wanted from Greer. He has been on his own for years now.

It is July 21, 2025. Greer has been ordered twice, formally, to pay sanctions in this case. He is 5 months late to the original deadline, three weeks late to the updated deadline. The judge has filed another demand for Greer to explain himself. Users know what will happen now. They know the plightsperging will resume. They know the deadline will be extended. They know the case will continue, remembered only as an outlier on the court docket and a bitter memory

It is 2040. I am looking at the stars. I prefer the stillness here. I am tired of the District Court of Utah. These people. I'm tired of watching them keep feeding their pet retard rope long past the point where he had enough to hang himself. You could hang two Yao Mings with the amount of rope he's got now. They claim their labors are for keeping the legal system fair for the marginalized and dispossessed, but there is no justice here. Perhaps the system is not made to be fair. Perhaps the government is not to be objective. An instrument held by biased, flawed humans with nobody in charge. Nobody wanting accountability. It's too late. Always has been. Always will be. Too late.
 
This is in line so far with what I thought was going to happen, which was the judge giving Ross one more chance to change his mind and if he truly and finally spits in his fucking face it's just completely over.

I'm calling it now, rainbow me up. Greer isn't going to pay and it WILL be dismissed.

It is so FORETOLD.
question is greer going to appeal after or before deadline 8/5/25.
is appeal going to be about fee's or case in totality.
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happy for judge skipping over the greer oath of not to pay null.
 
I hope they impose a page limit on the inevitable plightsperge when Russ somehow "goofs up" the sanctions payment again and he just straight up ignores it like last time.

Just send a 10 page allcaps screed about your trauma lumps, bud. :story:
 
It's October 16, 2023. The United States District Court of Utah has reversed the lower court's judgement to dismiss Greer's case. They want to hold Null responsible for linking to a different site hosting the infringing copy of Greer's book. They are attempting to punish him retroactively, claiming the copy was posted as a result of being linked to. Users are befuddled. The Digital Justice Foundation celebrates.
Just name the party its relevant to the suit.
GOOGLE / GOOGLE DRIVE
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So, recapping the still-open stuff...

ECF 234, Hardin's motion for sanctions from FEBRUARY on Greer's lies about witnesses (and about Hardin) which was taken under advisement at the hearing more than two months ago, in May.

ECF 299, Greer's idiotic motion for show cause which was filed two months ago in May (timely opposed by Hardin).

ECF 313, Hardin's motion to unseal Document 1 for private viewing with a mind to prove IFP fraud when the case was originally filed almost five years ago. Greer has responded.

ECF 314, Greer's idiotic motion for a protective order against Hardin, filed two months ago in May (timely opposed by Hardin).

ECF 243, "taken under advisement" at the hearing in May, over two months ago, pending Greer's production of the Utah 2018 docs. Greer continues to refuse to produce them. Case-ending sanctions were explicitly threatened by the judge in the hearing if Greer refused to produce them.

No motion was ever filed by Hardin on the "attorney's eyes only" bullshit but it was entered into the docket at ECF 321. We can't expect the court to do anything about that absent a motion, but it's out there.

ECF 330, Hardin's motion for sanctions on Greer re: the subpoena Greer fraudulently obtained from the clerk while discovery remains stayed. Filed a month and a half ago in June, Greer has timely opposed.

ECF 331, Greer's motion for "clarification" AND for modification of the discovery stay, filed a month and a half ago in June, timely opposed by Hardin.

ECF 337, Hardin's motion for sanctions re: Greer's fuckery in trying to get an "emergency" reschedule of the May 6 hearing and his lies to the court about that. Greer has responded.

ECF 346, last week's motion for sanctions from Greer on Hardin, filed without the 21-day service as per usual. Hardin has yet to respond, and I really think he should just to make it crystal clear to the court that the rules were not followed.

And of course there's the motion to dismiss, originally filed in April at ECF 274. Response and reply have been made, nothing left to do but for a judge to rule on it.

I think those are all the action items that remain open, still-to-be-ruled upon, right? That's a metric shitton of stuff sitting around for months with zero action from the judges.
 
Isn't it possible, nay likely, that Greer will just refuse to pay, it gets dismissed by the District Judge on that ground alone, at which point Greer proceeds to appeal to the 10th Circuit anyway (happily paying the filing fee rather than pay a single red cent to Null)?
I mean it is theoretically possible for the 10th Circuit to grant Russ's appeal(which he has to pay 600 for btw), but that would be extremely unlikely. An appeals court ruling that a motion to dismiss, early in a case, isn't strong enough is one thing. But not allowing courts to sanction litigants is way more difficult.

The way I think of it is about how much leeway does the court have to be fucking retarded. Putting your thumb on the scale for appealing a motion to dismiss that occurred very early in a case is a pretty light action all things considered. Also keep in mind Russ actually had two lawyers arguing his case.

But letting Russ defy a logical and fair court order? I don't think they could get away with that. The reputational damage alone would be substantial.

You may disagree with me on this but I think there is still an underlying system or power and authority and Judges can't just do whatever they want. I do however think that system is massively unfair, incredibly dangerous, and maddingly obscure.
he court actually saying an OSC for not dismissing is a big development, though. Russhole will have to do something other than sperg.
If you fuck up like Russ has and you don't pay and then you get an order to show cause, is there anything you could even reasonably say that would be sufficient? Especially because Russ told everyone he has money to pay for this kind of stuff.
question is greer going to appeal after or before deadline 8/5/25.
Keep in mind Greer has to pay $605 to file an appeal. Yes I checked he has to file it with District court which means he couldn't file IFP. I even went and got the form you'd need to file IFP to prove you file with the District court several pages back.
Too late.
The most impressive thing about your shitpost is how much effort you put into it.
 
What the fuck is wrong with you people? The ultimate sanction of dismissal is being threatened by the District Judge and you are complaining?
What I personally would love to see is a ton of sanction debt racked up and THEN dismissal. The delicious irony of the tard-guarding farce being dragged out with intent to harm the farm only for it to turn into Greee owing more and more... I know nothing ever goes right for our eternal nigger ooperator, but I refuse to apologize for wanting the world anyways!
 
He lost his ability to file a counterclaim when he filed an answer.
No, he lost his right to do so. There is still such a thing as a permissive counterclaim. The court would have to approve it. It would also be retarded to do.

If nool has a claim for malicious prosecution or abuse of process or some other such claim, it could also be raised as a cause of action in a suit against Russhole. Similarly, though, I think it would be retarded to do.
If you fuck up like Russ has and you don't pay and then you get an order to show cause, is there anything you could even reasonably say that would be sufficient? Especially because Russ told everyone he has money to pay for this kind of stuff.
He could plead poverty, although that would be admitting he was previously lying. But who knows, maybe that would fly in the Retarded People's Court, where people of normal intelligence are the niggers of the world.
 
Keep in mind Greer has to pay $605 to file an appeal.

I really do not think this will be a deterrent for Greer. It's a small price to pay, in his mind, for justice (especially since he will continue to refuse to pay Null/Hardin any awards). He's convinced if he can just explain to the 10th Circuit what has happened since last year, they will rule in his favor again.
 
Yes but it means if all you do is sperg, the case gets dismissed.
In the hands of a lesser sperg, this would be true.

But 5 years into this case, we are about to hear the saddest of sads:

It was through the heartless stalking discovery actions of Mr. Hardin that plaintiff learned that his best friend in the whole wide world had passed away. Even though Mr. Greer always appears stoic in the face of such adversity, he can assure the court that he is devastated and can barely focus on the case. Made even more difficult by his pro se status.
 
I really do not think this will be a deterrent for Greer. It's a small price to pay, in his mind, for justice (especially since he will continue to refuse to pay Null/Hardin any awards). He's convinced if he can just explain to the 10th Circuit what has happened since last year, they will rule in his favor again.
I'm wondering if Greee appeals the dismissal for not paying the sanctions can Null put in the request for "While you're looking at this appeal, we'd really like the rest of the $5000 added to it."

I guess I'm assuming the sanctions don't just go away on dismissal.
 
"Well you really crossed the line this time, buddy boy! This court ordered you to pay, and you refused! We told you there would be consequences, so your punishment is having another two weeks to not pay! And if you don't pay by then, you're getting ANOTHER two weeks to not pay! Keep this up and you'll be not paying for the rest of your life!"

NOTHING

EVER

HAPPENS
 
I'm wondering if Greee appeals the dismissal for not paying the sanctions can Null put in the request for "While you're looking at this appeal, we'd really like the rest of the $5000 added to it."

I guess I'm assuming the sanctions don't just go away on dismissal.
Short answer yes. In fact Null can appeal that regardless as the District Judge made a number of unquestionable errors in his shoot from the hip sanctions award.
 
for those of you who are somehow surprised by this, heres a demonstration of how much the district judge cares about this case and what kind of grievous grimy shitlipped little goblin hes dealing with:

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stop giving him the out, now it's clear that Mr Green has been ordered to pay Null, Greer is free to continue to splightberg the case.
 
Short answer yes. In fact Null can appeal that regardless as the District Judge made a number of unquestionable errors in his shoot from the hip sanctions award.

Oh yeah, ECF 231, Hardin preserved his objections on the District Judge pulling his stunt reducing the original sanctions (and not giving the defense an opportunity to respond prior to doing so). That, too, was back in February.
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I really do not think this will be a deterrent for Greer. It's a small price to pay, in his mind, for justice (especially since he will continue to refuse to pay Null/Hardin any awards). He's convinced if he can just explain to the 10th Circuit what has happened since last year, they will rule in his favor again.
$605 is like half a hooker. A half a hooker in the hand is worth one in the bush.

But only time shall tell. This could all be moot if Greer pays before August 5th.
What I personally would love to see is a ton of sanction debt racked up and THEN dismissal. The delicious irony of the tard-guarding farce being dragged out with intent to harm the farm only for it to turn into Greee owing more and more... I know nothing ever goes right for our eternal nigger ooperator, but I refuse to apologize for wanting the world anyways!
Yes I would like to see Greer step on a bunch of rakes continuously like Sideshow Bob. But that is, sadly, incredibly unlikely. If this case has taught me anything courts can be incredibly dangerous because they have a lot of power but are also capable of being incredibly retarded.

I am just glad that the district is judge is finally holding Greer to some sort of standard.
 
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