S.401 - Fair Access to Banking Act

[Slav Power]

Considering you're interested in Polish politics (by proxy) I would highly recommend you look into BLIK. It's a popular Polish payment processor which recently added support for contactless payments, meaning that it now replaces VISA mobile payments by default. You could easily accept donations for the site (and also for T&H purchases) through BLIK.

Oh BLiK, you evil, evil thing. So convenient, yet so enslaving. I find something online that I like, and all it takes to pay for it is six random digits and a little confirmation on my phone, and boom. Be it buying stuff domestically on Allegro, or buying chinkshit for Aliexpress, all it takes is six digits to drain your bank account, and all of it gets delivered to an InPost parcel machine where you only have to tap a button in an app to open it. And when you buy something in-person, all that it takes is putting your phone to the payment terminal. So convenient. So enslaving.

 

[Preacher ✝]

If you guys weren't so busy selling indulgences

The selling of indulgences was the actions of corrupted Bishops who were stretching the bounds of their authority. The Holy See put an end to the practice in the 1500s, a reasonable reaction speed given the slow nature of communications at the time.

and worshipping the idols you call saints, it didn't need to happen.

Tell me you don't understand the concept of intercessory prayer without telling me you don't understand the concept of intercessory prayer. Retard.

But I was there and watched those videos and yet all I can remember is is hating SJWs. Was that actually a fringe part of GG?

Fringe? Maybe, maybe not.

What can be said is that hating SJWs was not the inciting event of GamerGate, but a side effect of the central controversy that started when Zoe Quinn fucked 5 journos for positive reviews of her shitty game and then abused copyright strikes to silence criticism.

That controversy was the dividing line that people took sides on, the SJWs were on Zoe's side, and I'm sure there were plenty of people who took the other side just for the sake of shitting on them.

 

[Overly Serious]

Im in complete agreement about the evils of payment processors and the crimes of the patriot act. Im old enough to remember the before times.

But I also understand, to a degree, where the pushback is coming from.

All of this stuff is deeply upsetting and frustrating and there is nothing substantial we can do about it.

When you were asked what we should do you said:

So its understandable when people would rather distract themselves with inane bullshit instead of dwell upon the existential horrors they can't change.

There's probably never been a time in history when you can speak out against tyranny with such lack of consequences. I'm sure some will knee-jerk and say it isn't so - that you can get cancelled, blah blah. But in times gone by you could be excommunicated, sentenced without trial, be beaten or executed. And whilst you can find equivalents for some big cases today for the most part nothing's going to happen to you if you peacefully protest, write to your senator. What, you'll go on a list? You're already on one. You'll get banned from Facebook? You used to be driven out of your village and starve.

Fuck it - they sentence punish one in a hundred thousand and broadcast the Hell out of it in the hopes it will demoralise the remaining 99,999. I've little time for those who think they can't do anything without even trying. I've even less for those that tell other people that they can't do anything.

 

[Preacher ✝]

I've little time for those who think they can't do anything without even trying. I've even less for those that tell other people that they can't do anything.

There's nothing wrong with taking that position. All I'm saying is that I understand the people who would rather focus on dumb shit they enjoy than the serious big stuff that upsets them when all the efforts against it feel futile.

when you can speak out against tyranny with such lack of consequences

Speaking out against it is great, and something we've been doing on here for ages now, but no one in power is listening.

nothing's going to happen to you if you peacefully protest, write to your senator. What, you'll go on a list? You're already on one. You'll get banned from Facebook? You used to be driven out of your village and starve.

Worse then that, you'll be wasting your time. We only have so much time in life, and we already have to waste a lot of it on school, work, and the basic chores of life.

Now when faced with these existential horrors you're asking people to sacrifice what little free time they have on efforts that have potential for consequences with no guarantee of success or positive effect.

But at least you put forth some options, peaceful protests and writing your representatives is more than Null's answer of "writhe, suffer, and die a loathsome death under the boot of tyranny"

Again, I completely agree with Null's points in the OP, and his fight against the payment processors has my full support. I'm just saying that I understand why he's getting push back when that's his answer to "what should we do about it?"

 

[DootSkeleton]

the vestigial remains of these Title III requirements had been reshuffled into other parts of the U.S.C.

Do you know where in the USC these remains ended up? I'm fixing to be a squeaky wheel to my elected representatives and I want to be able to point them to it in the hopes that it will make them better understand the rapening

 

[David Brown]

I'm having a hard time understanding the argumentation here. Would someone mind rewording this as a food analogy?

 

[George Lucas]

Also here's something that I am legitimately concerned about.

Assuming if the bill comes to a pass, how would it affect people out of the USA? For example, if I am in Japan and I publish one of those contents the payment processors deemed unacceptable under European union laws on say, Steam. Do they still have the rights to stop me there (assuming if the orders is from a place out of the US)?

If you are not in the EU you are not subject to its jurisdiction, but if you do business in the EU, you are. But they only have jurisdiction over your assets actually in the EU. So if you have an office or bank account in the EU, they can go after you. But if you don't, they can't do shit. What they could also do is go after the third parties facilitating the transaction, e.g. Steam, the payment processor, the payment network, etc.

It gets complicated by international treaties and other considerations, but that's the gist.

 

[Maeis]

If you are not in the EU you are not subject to its jurisdiction, but if you do business in the EU, you are. But they only have jurisdiction over your assets actually in the EU. So if you have an office or bank account in the EU, they can go after you. But if you don't, they can't do shit. What they could also do is go after the third parties facilitating the transaction, e.g. Steam, the payment processor, the payment network, etc.

It gets complicated by international treaties and other considerations, but that's the gist.

The funniest thing about this is that in 2013 Grand Theft Auto V (Also in GTAIV, but there wasn't a website) had the Princess Robot Bubblegum anime (an absurd mismash of both fanservice and shonen/shoujo tropes.) They had an in-game website for the franchise, which described how they would ship products "banned in the US" in unmarked bags. I just figured that was GTA exaggerating American culture as they always do, but we're literally there.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Again, I completely agree with Null's points in the OP, and his fight against the payment processors has my full support. I'm just saying that I understand why he's getting push back when that's his answer to "what should we do about it?"

I get why he's the way he is. He put his best message forward to his most receptive audience- pages of sperging. I get feeling it's hopeless. As one person, frankly, it is.

But then I think back to other stories Josh has told in the past. Take vitamin supplements. When they were at risk of being regulated, more letters hit congress than the entirety of the Vietnam War. Now you can get bogus gas station boner pills and the government won't dare touch it.

We need to do something like that. A mail in campaign so hig, so huge, that it cannot be ignored. Email, paper, phone calls, literally just saying- pass this bill.

Yes this bill doesn't fix everything. It's a start. And the Payment processors won't be happy having even a sliver of power taken away.

Let us show Josh it isn't hopeless. We can do something! Even if it's very little. We got to get a win.

 

[ShitLurker]

Drop the infighting over dumb shit.

Unless what you're doing is actually illegal -- as in you could get arrested, charged and reliably convicted for it on the spot -- you should be allowed to do whatever the fuck you want with your own money. Period. Doesn't matter how morally reprehensible it is to however many people. Your money, your choice. If its a crime fucking arrested them but don't bullshit around.

Right now, there's a giant flaming loophole that basically allows a small pool of pencil-necked desk jockeys to control the resources of the entire fucking world, and that loophole needs to not only closed but buried forever.

Agreed. I see you americans are doing the "write to your senator" thing which is a whole lot better than nothing. Here in eurocuckistan I don't really know what venue I could even consider. We are the subjects of unelected officials and said unelected oficials are very keen on going full digital when it comes to payment and I don't believe I'm being mean spirited when I assume they mostly do it to debank wrongthinkers.

Best I can think of is a "Stop killing games" sort of campaign. But leaving aside that you need a face for it and somebody people can rally behind about debanking (sorry Null, I feel for your plight but we can all agree that standard normies would give 0 shits about you, unless you are an Adonis now and can win hearts with a winning smile), and even though Europe is surprisingly good at pushing for consumer rights (remember where the death of loot boxes started), this is something that would activelly go against the 2030 agenda.

 

[Orphaned Punk]

Has/will a clear point of decisive rally/action present itself to repair the payment processor issue?

Until something presents itself, I can only personally fathom doing what I like to do at personal expense.

It feels like the masses are aware of the countless injustices better than they ever have been but feel powerless and would rather skirmish through smaller retarded easily-realizable issues, case in point, bullying Lidl for being fucking obnoxious.
I.E, Military Industrial Complex.

 

[Jarch6]

I disagree that it is more influential than ever. People still heavily view wikipedia with distrust due to the fact everyone can edit it in theory (obviously there tranny jannies and shit but in theory anyone can add any sort of information that's wrong). Even today I constantly am told to not cite wikipedia due to that, even among leftists.

Wikipedia was always an unacceptable source to use academically but that’s never mattered in practice (people will just cite Wikipedia’s citations, and even if they don’t Wikipedia still colors their perception of the subject). If anything is eating Wikipedia’s lunch it’d be AI, but that doesn’t exactly solve the core issue.

I mean that's apparently the demographic that's being appealed to here while completely alienating a large demographic that was already on Null's side about this issue but will read the word "holes" to refer to women and click off because it's entirely unnecessary and obvious pandering to a certain demographic (sexless gooner gamers). Which is very ironic considering the part just before that saying people trying to turn this into Gamer Gate 2 are stupid, then why pander to them? Whatever

Women do not give a shit about payment processors LMAO. Anyways, null was directing his message at us Kiwifarms users who are used to throwing around every slur in the dictionary (to get us to focus on payment processors rather than some pissant NGO). If the message was for a different audience he’d alter the wording, but given the sender (le ebil doxxing site owner) it would be a waste of time for null to try and appeal to normalniggers and especially girlies who, if anything, would act as contrarians and support the banks. It’s up to us to launder the message to more acceptable spokespersons to get anything done. SKG is a good example of this in that null supported it without trying to become a spokesperson in order not to derail the movement, allowing breadtuber faggots like hbomberguy to put a commietard spin on SKG and get that audience to support it.

 

[George Lucas]

List something the church invented in the medieval era then. Stuff invented by Muslims and Jews don't count. So no serfdom, forever wars, mass censorship, torture devices, systematic genocides and the like.

Also people that aren't in high church during that time did not receive any education. There were no public schools or non-church libraries.

Clocks

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

Agreed. I see you americans are doing the "write to your senator" thing which is a whole lot better than nothing. Here in eurocuckistan I don't really know what venue I could even consider. We are the subjects of unelected officials and said unelected oficials are very keen on going full digital when it comes to payment and I don't believe I'm being mean spirited when I assume they mostly do it to debank wrongthinkers.

Welp at least think about it you can still probably get an international version if they can no longer enforce their insane laws globally. The EU is the epicenter of the credit card plague after all. You'll have to wait until they decide that fanservice games should be treated in the same way as sadistic gore games.

 

[Dawdler]

List something the church invented in the medieval era then.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablass

If you sinned you only had to pay a small fee and church will absolve you of your sins

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

You will watch the world die, and there is nothing you can do.

I'm sure as shit gonna force myself comfortable. Keeping a gun on my lap, chickens and a garden for my food, i sew up my clothes and am teaching myself various construction skills and plumbing.
Civilization will end slowly and painfully with each day getting a little harder. But you don't have to die like a dog, you can have your dignity if you're bull headed enough.
I alone cannot make change but I will certainly fight to keep what I have.

 

[Maeis]

All this catastrophizing isn't going to help anything. Ignoring it and putting your head in the sand isn't either, but acting like the world is ending just yet isn't the answer.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Hey doom niggers: Japan just SANCTIONED Visa. Yes. SANCTIONED.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/b68ac34e65ec99559eb024ed91df59b696d40eed

 

[God of Nothing]

i kneel to the nipon

 

[Male Idiot]

i’m sure depicting Visa and Mastercard as a gross tranny brown soyjak will fix all of this.

But Mastercard and Visa are (((Happy merchants))) sucking on gross tranny brown soyjak cum.