Mega Rad Gun Thread

All of the Siggatry considered, I think a better way forward than Glock or S&W, or would be adopting the Walther PDP. Any PDP slide can go on any size PDP frame, shit it'll fit on Canik frames because the Turkshits ripped off the gun. The Pennsylvania State Police, FDACS, and the Brevard County Sheriff's Offices already issue it. It's honestly a better stock gun out of the box than any new Glock or M&P I've used.
 
All of the Siggatry considered, I think a better way forward than Glock or S&W, or would be adopting the Walther PDP. Any PDP slide can go on any size PDP frame, shit it'll fit on Canik frames because the Turkshits ripped off the gun. The Pennsylvania State Police, FDACS, and the Brevard County Sheriff's Offices already issue it. It's honestly a better stock gun out of the box than any new Glock or M&P I've used.
I don’t disagree, but ultimately they could’ve adopted a high point and been better off. Pistols aren’t very important for the military, they just need to shoot when you want them to, and not shoot when you don’t.
 
I don’t disagree, but ultimately they could’ve adopted a high point and been better off. Pistols aren’t very important for the military, they just need to shoot when you want them to, and not shoot when you don’t.
The Sig rifle is supposed to have a scope that helps the gun shoot, and because the Sig pistol doesn't have a scope they needed to engineer different ways to keep the same functionality.
 
It was a break open action, now that it's been mentioned it might've been a more modern hunting rifle since I just associated break-action rifle with being old. As for the caliber, I never saw it get loaded but the barrel couldn't have been that big, no bigger (maybe even smaller) than the barrels of those Remington hunting rifles and I never knew my grandpa to be the hunting type. At this point, I would assume it might've been a locally manufactured model without any branding, if any gunautists in the thread wanna have a gander at trying to find the model I'd start with English companies like Enfield.
Break action rifles aren't too widespread, it certainly could be old. To my knowledge, neither Mauser nor Enfield had made break action rifles.

Here's a few examples,
Maynard Carbine
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Frank Wesson Rifle
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Smith Carbine
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And the main two modern ones from the mid 1900s.
Harrington & Richardson series, this is the 1871 - also made under New England Firearms
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Thompson Center Encore
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Break action rifles aren't too widespread, it certainly could be old. To my knowledge, neither Mauser nor Enfield had made break action rifles.

Here's a few examples,
Maynard Carbine
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Frank Wesson Rifle
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Smith Carbine
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And the main two modern ones from the mid 1900s.
Harrington & Richardson series, this is the 1871 - also made under New England Firearms
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Thompson Center Encore
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FYI, it didn't open up near the hammer, but at the beginning of the barrel itself right after the point where the wood ended.
 
Keep in mind the M7 (which is a shitrod) is not always going to be using the spicy level 4 piercing ammo. Using a varitey of ammo types means the range finder can give you a solution dialed into what you have loaded. Very cool, and very nice. Your DMR is likely using a lot more glass than the LPVO attached to the FC, and is going to be better trained, while 100% useful and I don't disagree with the utility there, you are going to get less of a jump in ability simply because the gap is already closed some.

A computer aiming solution is also going to let oogabooga grunt utilize his high mass high velocity round much farther out then what we are used to today. It isn't totally unreasonable that he could be taking potshots at targets 800yds away. Sounds like a fools errand, until you think about an individual suddenly effectively suppressing a heavy machine gun which is absolutely otherwise effectively engaging you at that distance.
I still think I disagree here. The super AP ammo I don't think will be general issue to grunts as the cost and strategic importance of tungsten would make that impractical. If they just only ever get standard ball ammo (which I think is likely) the ability to compensate for diffrent loadings is wasted.

As for engagements at long distances I don't think this optic solves the problems that make these engagements impractical. At 800m the enemy is free to break off contact or hunker down. Normally maneuver would be the solution to counter this but at that great of distance that isn't possible as too much ground would need to be covered giving the enemy time to react. Engaging in this fashion reveals your position before you are able to effect significant casualties and putting anything between them and you provides protection (at 800m there will probably be plenty of things that could provide cover and/or concealment). The added long range performance would be nice if it didn't come at the cost of reduced magazine capacity, reduced total ammunition capacity, increased weight, mandatory use of a suppresor, decreased barrel/service life, more recoil, worse full auto performance, and most importantly having to use a Sig product. Granted, I am a little biased as where I live long uninterrupted sight lines are rare and thick forrest is common but this needs to be a do all rifle. In order to add some limited long range effectiveness they have handicapped everything else. I think the optic would be better served on an M4 or M16.
 
Not at all a bad critique. I was thinking more in an assault role vs a near peer over turf, you are talking like I might expect a GWOT vet to think "They are going to disappear if we don't kill them now."

Though, you veered more into the gat then the optic. But I'm giddy to talk about it anyways. An M7 is a pretty sweet gun on paper. Its failure is twofold: One, the execution by Sig means bendy rails and bad barrels. Two, the weight. The actual capability it grants, again on paper, is substantial. It can punch BTR armor, it can zip through windows with hardly any deviation, it can punch IV Plates, its cool. Problem is, this capability is typically an asset you would want as an element of your fireteam/platoon because the tradeoffs you pointed out are severe. Which means you are hauling a new type of ammo and logistics in the armory for one guy. Ouch.

The M7 is, like so many stories of military procurement, the answer to the last war and a guess at the next one. The extreme ranges in Afghanistan would have been ideal for such a round and optic as general issue. The next war the worry is IV plates, so they want it to do that too. We know the answer to armor, shoot them where it isn't, and I agree that the AP ammo is probably not going in every mag.

All and all the optic technology is great, but the platform it is married to isn't mature to be charitable to it.

We will probably be using M4s and ACOGs on Mars.
 
All and all the optic technology is great, but the platform it is married to isn't mature to be charitable to it.
In order to add some limited long range effectiveness they have handicapped everything else. I think the optic would be better served on an M4 or M16.
Honestly, I think it would be more effective if they mounted the computer + variable optic on M2s (itself on a humvee) instead and just calibrate it for the bajillion round variants they have already, like between regular ball, AP, API, SLAP, tracer, etc. Just have one vehicle do the supressive fire and another nick people off at a distance.
The CZ overlords must of greenlit a P-10C knockoff.
Just give me a stryker fired pre B CZ 75 for shits and giggles. It's not like CZ didn't build the horrific abominmation known as the CZ 75 RAMI P (olymer)
 
The Sig rifle is supposed to have a scope that helps the gun shoot, and because the Sig pistol doesn't have a scope they needed to engineer different ways to keep the same functionality.
This brings me back to Colt wasting millions to billions in the ACR program on a re-skinned M16 with "duplex" ammunition and an Elcan only to discover that an optic improves a shooters accuracy.
Not at all a bad critique. I was thinking more in an assault role vs a near peer over turf, you are talking like I might expect a GWOT vet to think "They are going to disappear if we don't kill them now."

Though, you veered more into the gat then the optic. But I'm giddy to talk about it anyways. An M7 is a pretty sweet gun on paper. Its failure is twofold: One, the execution by Sig means bendy rails and bad barrels. Two, the weight. The actual capability it grants, again on paper, is substantial. It can punch BTR armor, it can zip through windows with hardly any deviation, it can punch IV Plates, its cool. Problem is, this capability is typically an asset you would want as an element of your fireteam/platoon because the tradeoffs you pointed out are severe. Which means you are hauling a new type of ammo and logistics in the armory for one guy. Ouch.

The M7 is, like so many stories of military procurement, the answer to the last war and a guess at the next one. The extreme ranges in Afghanistan would have been ideal for such a round and optic as general issue. The next war the worry is IV plates, so they want it to do that too. We know the answer to armor, shoot them where it isn't, and I agree that the AP ammo is probably not going in every mag.

All and all the optic technology is great, but the platform it is married to isn't mature to be charitable to it.

We will probably be using M4s and ACOGs on Mars.
I think we should bring back .357 Atomic to combat level IV plates.
Oh it gets even better:

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Colt just filed a patent on a new striker fired pistol. It looks like a P-10C. The CZ overlords must of greenlit a P-10C knockoff.
Colt has gotten better since the CZ buyout. I am more interested in that this gun is going to be. Maybe a new All American?
 
What is important right now is to invest in research, training, production capabilities etc. regarding drone production. I see plenty of these comments about "our military should acquire thousands of these small FPV drones, look at how effective they are in Ukraine!". And then what, they sit in a warehouse where they become obsolete in the next 6 months?

Drone technology is advancing so fast right now, that it makes no sense for any military to acquire huge amounts of drones unless they are going to actual field use. And by field use I mean actual operations, not just training capacity. Contracting between government and civilian companies to establish the means of fast drone production for whatever the flavour of technology is when it's actually needed, along with established doctrine and trained people, is what militaries should be doing. And a lot of them are doing just that.
Similarly how in back in the day US MoD paid different gunmakers to set up a production line for rifles and ordered enough for everything to be calibrated and QC issues solved, so that when the war pops up and you now need ten times more rifles than you have in armouries, all these gunmakers had the production lines ready and waiting.

In our case Nammo had stashed whole lot of half-finished artillery shell parts for times when production needs to be ramped up a lot. So in 2022 they could very rapidly turn those parts into working 155mm shells. Something similar could be done with the drone parts likes some struts, propellers or small electric engines, where the drone manufacturers have whole lot stashed for the rainy days and just the more development critical parts that become obsolete in six months need to be acquired quickly.
 
My personal theory is that the bribe target was General Mark Milley, since he was one of the main guys pushing the Army to speed up it's trials, and he was one of the first people to receive one of the newly adopted pistols.
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"Two years to test? What's a dead airman between buddies?"

Yeah, that's the same guy who famously was pushing for implementing critical race theory into the military, and who also told his counterpart in the PLA that he would ignore orders from the President if he deemed them too dangerous. I fucking hate this guy, I think he is guilty of treason and should face the corresponding punishment for treason. Too bad though, because he got preemptively pardoned by Biden before leaving office. Oops!
Yep he almost certainly received bribes from SIG as he also pushed the retarded XM25/XM7 and XM250 along with the retarded .277 Fury cartridge

Fucking dipshit fatass DEI worshipping retard.

They didn't realize the MIG-21 would be an absolute pain in the ass to deal with when they were taking off in a neighboring country with even shorter distance to airfields with it's own air intercept missions and could fly below the flight deck of what F-4 pilots were used to. It didn't help the radar systems at the time were primitive by modern standards (you had a horn antenna with a narrow antenna gain beam pattern) and the F-4 would have to point it nose at the target while maintain its own minimum speed against a fighter that could fly subsonic. The pilots would overshoot the MiG-21s and then put themselves at risk. By the end of the war, the F-4 had guns on board to deal with the dog fighting the MiG-21 pilots forced on them. The F-4 lasted up until the early 90s and the air doctrine the F-4 originally was suppose to do is now done by the F-15E. For those of you who don't know, the F-15E does the same role but even better because that AESA radar has a wide sweeping range and the pilot doesn't have to follow his target in a narrow cone
More like retarded RoEs, very little to no dissimilar ACM training until post 1968 and DOG SHIT AAMs until late 1968 onwards (after LBJ and his dumbass advisors stopped the bombing of N. Vietnam and ended A2A engagements). The F-4 radar got better as well, especially in the USN variants as did the AAMs.

The Mig-21s also didn't use their guns much and a decent amount the VPAF used didn't even have guns as the Soviets also deleted guns from mid production Mig-21s and their AAMs were even more dogshit than American ones.

The F-15A had a MUCH better radar than any USAF or USN F-4 and it kept getting upgraded and replaced over the decades.
The M7 is once again the Army having a bias for a theater of operation it no longer has to deal with just like the ACU camo of the 2000s. There is also no retrofitting of rifles, not like you can make them all 5.56 NATO. If the Army gives up on them, they have to reorder a bunch of new rifles which means a new trial, not like they send them back to Sig Sauer for updating like the F-4s did with McDonnell-Douglas.
The F-4E was a different jet than the F-4C/D/J/S

It has a different nose to accommodate the gun and the USN NEVER adopted a F-4 with an internal gun. They felt the pod was fine and didn't want to give up their better pulse Doppler radar in the F-4J and onwards plus their AIM-9s were always better than the USAF ones until the last few months of the Vietnam war. The USN and USAF shared the continually upgraded AIM-7.
Keep in mind the M7 (which is a shitrod) is not always going to be using the spicy level 4 piercing ammo. Using a varitey of ammo types means the range finder can give you a solution dialed into what you have loaded. Very cool, and very nice. Your DMR is likely using a lot more glass than the LPVO attached to the FC, and is going to be better trained, while 100% useful and I don't disagree with the utility there, you are going to get less of a jump in ability simply because the gap is already closed some.

A computer aiming solution is also going to let oogabooga grunt utilize his high mass high velocity round much farther out then what we are used to today. It isn't totally unreasonable that he could be taking potshots at targets 800yds away. Sounds like a fools errand, until you think about an individual suddenly effectively suppressing a heavy machine gun which is absolutely otherwise effectively engaging you at that distance.
Maybe for the very first shot. After that the stupid high recoil will fuck your sight picture and most Army grunts aren't getting any marksmanship training so they'll be breathing hard and jerking the shit out of their triggers so they might not even get the first shot on target..... With a $11k 2+lb optic that emits a laser every time it ranges that can be detected by a $1 sensor....
All of the Siggatry considered, I think a better way forward than Glock or S&W, or would be adopting the Walther PDP. Any PDP slide can go on any size PDP frame, shit it'll fit on Canik frames because the Turkshits ripped off the gun. The Pennsylvania State Police, FDACS, and the Brevard County Sheriff's Offices already issue it. It's honestly a better stock gun out of the box than any new Glock or M&P I've used.
Well no because Walthers are overpriced and their weird mutant trigger guard magazine releases are an affront to God.


I think the optic would be better served on an M4 or M16.
Even then it's an $11k optic that breaks under recoil.

Might as well just order some USMC VCOGs aka 1-8x rugged as shit LPVOs or 1-6x Vortex Razor Gen 2e / equivalents for a HELL of a lot less money.

Here are some semi relevant videos from the Thai-Cambodian conflict.

Thai troops have helmets, uniforms and handle their M-16s well.

Cambodians has flip flops and shitty Chinese drum mags.

Oh and a Thai bomb dropping drone killed itself by accident




 
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