General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Molag Bal]

Kinda hard to give credit where it's due when someone steals funds meant for a sick people charity.

Maybe that's just a me-thing then.

Charities don't exactly pull on my heartstrings because every single charity I've looked into turned out to either be a scam or actively create problems rather than solving any.
And there's been way too many cases where people cry about how there needs to be special restrictions on everyone to accommodate the 'immunocomprimised' implying they just had bad luck, and then when you look up their profile, they're a gay HIV patient who fucks 200 strangers every month.

I dunno actually, that's a good point. I guess because trailer trash equals poor/rural/hicks and whites

It was always a retarded stereotype because the vast majority of actual trailer trash hillbillies are very left-wing irl. Just to name a prominent example: TJ Kirk is an actual white trash hick just like in the movies, and he's always been a staunch liberal.

 

[God's Holiest Schizo]

It was always a retarded stereotype because the vast majority of actual trailer trash hillbillies are very left-wing irl. Just to name a prominent example: TJ Kirk is an actual white trash hick just like in the movies, and he's always been a staunch liberal.

Shit, good to know.

In that case she fits the stereotype hook, line, and sinker That makes my day

 

[electrician's apprentice]

all the crap with Zen and the auditions actually makes sense now

https://x.com/zentreya/status/1948518977493500310

Spoiler: text

I’ve been trying to figure out what to say.Why did you keep dodging my messages and concerns. When I wanted to do 1 o 1’s, you kept dodging or you gave me a short corporate answer. Even when I was under immense pressure from the community for answers about the auditions and I pleaded for a statement by your PR team, you told me it wasn’t needed, you made a tiny video instead, looking like you were hurt and upset, saying sorry, instead of meeting me 1 on 1 for my concerns and I was left crying and frustrated, but like a fucking dog, I went back and happy to even get something from you cause oh man, boss actually answered me. You wanted one finally when you knew everything was crashing around you. Then debuting new talents and such even after the community kept asking about it and kept waving it off and letting me take the punches. I smiled. I fucking brushed it off and kept pushing the company cause I was hopeful for new talent and bringing new people to help. Instead I find you were hiring people without input and poaching without even the idea of truly helping them other then financial gain. We didn’t even know who you were bringing in. You and the team told us to just take it. You and some people were really ready for me to be thrown under over and over. Even when Amalee joined, I begged you to put out a statement regarding auditions before she announced her debut stream. You gave us the middle finger. Me and Amalee had to put out a statement cause your PR team was unfit for their job. I took it all. Why did we have to say anything at all, why did I have to keep taking the fucking damage over and over. You were hurting me well before this. You know you have. I’ve been pushing a company so blindly who didn’t even care for me. But I’m an idiot and I kept believing. I was so excited for this. I spent sleepless nights dealing with constant harassment. And you spent money which you didn’t even have without even warning us on god knows what, and you knew, don’t even lie, you knew that money was for charity and was supposed to be placed to the side to be untouched. Where did 11 million dollars go in less then 3 years even. What happened to all that money. I’m just really tired from all these years of trying to push for something that kept pushing me to the wolves.I was so stupid. But I was so excited.I really trusted you. We all did. Despite everything, I don’t wish you any ill will.I just hope you find some way to make this right.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

you are fueling my schizo theory that froot was in on the embezzling.

If true, that could explain why she was the last member after everyone else abandoned ship.

 

[ChorizoFlapjack]

Maybe that's just a me-thing then.

I'm willing to give Gunrun credit FWIW. I'm still really perplexed on why he came clean, or the sincerity of it, nonetheless it's sure different from the usual responses. A bold move.

 

[Burnt Fish]

t's always deny that anything went wrong, pretend the problem doesn't exist and attack anyone who says otherwise. And here's a statement that actually acknowledges that mistakes were made. It's a breath of fresh air and the fact nobody acknowledges that feels weird to me.
If this were anything other than vtubing, people would at least commend them for admitting that there's a problem.

Is it novel? I suppose. But I don't think them not being praised for it is vtubing specific.

Nobody in any situation is going to see someone just come out and basically admit to a crime and be like "hey you know what good on you for admitting it" just like they don't commend people who plead guilty to their crimes in court. This is a company that ripped of their employees and a charity, not a child earning praise by admitting they ate cookies before supper instead of hiding it.

 

[Echo_Ender]

Charities don't exactly pull on my heartstrings because every single charity I've looked into turned out to either be a scam or actively create problems rather than solving any.

This is a disturbingly common issue with Charities. I've made it a habit to look deep into them before donating and I can count the number of grift-free ones I've found on one hand.

 

[Señora Airi]

Nobody in any situation is going to see someone just come out and basically admit to a crime and be like "hey you know what good on you for admitting it" just like they don't commend people who plead guilty to their crimes in court.

It's essentially the Norm MacDonald joke about rapists being hypocrites.

 

[ChefKiss]

What's next, she fucked Gunrun too?
Though knowing her, it might be a non-zero chance

I'd say the odds are a lot higher than that if he was calling up other members to personally rage at them about Froot's own personal crusade
It's extremely unprofessional behaviour and getting that angry over playing a game making the company look bad instead of sending a professional message asking them if they would politely refrain from playing the game, indicates some kind of personal connection to it.
I'd understand some level of them not wanting to get involved in culture wars but there was no issue with Froot dragging them in from the other side either

 

[Wilson The Ball]

I'd say the odds are a lot higher than that if he was calling up other members to personally rage at them about Froot's own personal crusade

Considering the whole "Mel fucked the lawyer" revelation, it's a good bet they were IMO. It all just screams of Vtubers and their partners trying to make a heckin good company that ended up more corrupt and incestuous than the fucking Seven Kingdoms in Game of Thrones

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

For some reason i doubt Froot's actions have any deep and complex meaning or that she is involved, considering her being silent has us talk about her, it seems like its more performative to extract as much sympathy with yet another "hiatus", so soon after she returned, too

 

[jeff7989]

Don't care about Vhoeshow drama. Have some Shachi, hope my Oshi gets married too. like her green friend and that she is happy.

 

[Neil]

I don't think "he should have held his talents' online personas hostage" is the right lesson to learn here.

infact letting them the ability to kep their full character and IP rights is the most commendable thing they did.

That's not what I meant at all, I'm saying that it wasn't a smart idea to give your talent all the leverage when you're trying to run your business in the shady way Justin did.

Holding on to the character and IP rights would've just delayed the inevitable.

Which is true. My point is that having even the least bit of leverage would've helped Justin stem the tide he's enduring after Ironmouse publicly called him out and left the company.

My point isn't that "he should've fucked them over smarter", my point is that him not fucking them over in a smart business way opened him up to far, far more pain now that the ship has sunk. His ex-talent lose nothing, he's (deservedly) losing everything and a lot more.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Don't care about Vhoeshow drama. Have some Shachi, hope my Oshi gets married too. like her green friend and that she is happy.

At this point, I hope every VTuber gets married and have children while the unicorns die childless.

 

[paule]

Grilled lamb

 

[Total Troons Death]

Lmao that vei statement. Yagoo should stop paying rent because he live rent free in gunrun head lol. Holy fuck he's so obsessed taking Yagoo down and paid people to shit talk other company on 4chan. I can't describe how pathetic his behavior is.

Vshoujo model could work if they kept expense to minimum. Isn't mythic using similar model as vshoujo? Except mythic didn't try to copy hololive model while vshoujo is copying hololive without hololive revenue lmao. How retarded gunrun can be?

 

[RepeatedMeme]

Kson reveals more on why the talents didn't realize the red flags and how things got so bad at VShojo.

All I learned from this is that most people don't have an ounce of financial literacy. Companies operating at the scale of a Single Kson-level celebrity have contract payment periods measured in months and years. They probably only ever paid her quarterly.

Not only that, the business model was the pinnacle of idealism (keep everything you earn, total freedom!!!)

Their business model was fine. It was literally the Hollywood Agent model. As Kson says in that vid (though it wasn't the slightest bit of surprise unless you're a retard), most of what Vshojo did was book sponsorships, i.e. act as a talent agency. Yes, merch was one of their pillars, but it wasn't just merch that vshojo handled, it was the corporate-to-corporate contracts.

The big vtubers are small companies with millions of dollars of revenue. Vshojo was always billed as a talent agency, i.e. "Have your agent call my agent", not a "Corporation that mints vtubers". The failures of their model are entirely on Gunrun and have nothing to do with the model being flawed or the space being new.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

unicorns

Out of loop here: who are they?

Their business model was fine.

Had VS stuck with that honestly, they could've still been in business now.

 

[whatsupwthat]

Camila must've realized she's lacking attention, so she made a song about Vshojo and made it all about herself, because of course she did. Reminder that she signed up for auditions and didn't even pass and got ghosted like 3 years ago. It humiliated her so much that she's still butthurt about it.

 

[Scarthew]

The skank you only know from neuro clips and because a schizo took a sledgehammer to her doorknob, has thrown her hat into the ring with... a song cover??? Ok then

Camila must've realized she's lacking attention, so she made a song about Vshojo and made it all about herself, because of course she did. Reminder that she signed up for auditions and didn't even pass and got ghosted like 3 years ago. It humiliated her so much that she's still butthurt about it.

Dammit.