Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Hepativore]

And they try to remake the vaginal anatomy with those... Which makes it more horrifying. There should be a way to make them with proper tissues and transplants that actually work and actually come from real vaginas.

The male endocrine system could not support the proper maintenance of the vaginal lining as it would start atrophying without regular production of hormones from the ovaries as pooners can attest to and HRT can only do so much. The amount of damage and scarring to the surrounding nerve endings and vascularity that would result from the transplantation surgery would be insurmountable as the genitourinary tract is full of delicate microstructures.

Also, you would have to try and transplant the muscles of the female pelvic floor as the vagina is basically a muscular tube instead of a passive hole and it requires a certain degree of muscle tone for it to function properly.

In short, it would be impossible based on our current understanding of biology and medical science.

 

[Po's Cootah]

Yet another example of beauty standards within SRS. They see hooked noses and hooded eyes as masculine - features that many cis women happen to already have and be dissatisfied with. Many pre-FFS faces in that subreddit already looked androgynous. The desired nose and eyes seem to be the Hollywood celebrity ones, which reinforces dissatisfaction with natural face features.

 

[pooterino]

Just make a man go out in -25 for a bit and then take a peek.

Yert. Take an average guy and put him in cold weather or water, and yeah, it'll look more like a thumb than something you can rail someone with. Not always though and your mileage may vary... don't want to overly powerlevel but some people are genuinely "show-ers" rather than "grow-ers" (listen, I've seen a ton of dicks for medical reasons, not because I fuck so much or anything).

Also, fun fact: the older the man gets the more this pronounced this, eh, "shrinkage" gets. I dunno if it's a function of lower testosterone or just aging or what but a not-insignificant amount of ancient dudes have like, literal "innie" cocks. Didn't know that before I got into the game.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

And they try to remake the vaginal anatomy with those... Which makes it more horrifying. There should be a way to make them with proper tissues and transplants that actually work and actually come from real vaginas.

HELL NO!!

 

[Po's Cootah]

HELL NO!!

Yeah, considering the current state of SRS... Not for now. We're still born too early for video game characterization-level of plastic surgery accessibility, easiness and reversibility.

 

[gay porn is the best porn]

Yeah, considering the current state of SRS... Not for now. We're still born too early for video game characterization-level of plastic surgery accessibility, easiness and reversibility.

The fact is, WE DON'T NEED ANY OF THAT SHIT. You should feel comfortable in your own skin unless you had a birth defect or accident happen resulting in a substantial level of physical deformation. I have no fondness towards plastic surgery and by extension whatever new procedures come out in the next few years related to gender reassignment because it's all very experimental and a means of making money off of the mentally ill.

 

[Po's Cootah]

I have been looking at this ghread and I can't help but quote myself because of these months-old replies:

Not exactly SRS, but I’ll post here anyway.
This infographic has been making the rounds on terven Twitter lately. I think it’s pretty on point and could actually be somewhat useful (even if it’s a little cluttered). Hope I’m not late and gay again.

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(Extra points for appropriating TRA terminology ofc. )
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Someone needed to sit this pooner down and explain that we're not made of Play-Doh. You just... Can't do this shit and expect anything other than pain and complications.

People who think that the rise in girls transitioning is unrelated to the rise of omnipresent, hardcore internet porn, and thus the sexual objectification of women, are absolutely kidding themselves.

Poweleveling here: I was at the "vulnerable" category of the trans umbrella as an older teen.

I once almost considered being a pooner as an older teen... Almost. I was exposed to gay porn through the internet and I was also exploring myself, so I saw my body as boring. Luckily the people who supported me suggested me to think twice before doing it, therefore I remained being the woman I was born as.

I'm glad I got what I needed according to that poster, as my family and therapist told me that transitioning was not an overnight process and it wouldn't magically solve all my problems. They said I would still be me and not someone else.

And even if I did become a pooner, I still wouldn't dare to chop my breasts off or risk ripping up my leg to make a rotdog with no circulation. All of those pictures of botched phallopasties just reinforced that idea.

 

[Hepativore]

I'm glad I got what I needed according to that poster, as my family and therapist told me that transitioning was not an overnight process and it wouldn't magically solve all my problems. They said I would still be me and not someone else.

You are very lucky to have found an actual competent therapist, then. So many people in the mental health profession are basically rubber-stamping the recommendation of "transitioning" for anybody who expresses any sort of doubts about their "gender identity".

The process of FTM SRS is even more horrific if not worse than MTF surgery, and pooners often have even more nightmarish urinary complications like chronic UTIs and urethral strictures/kidney failure.

 

[Constellationzero]

What is evidence based?

No, really.

WHAT IS EVIDENCE BASED?

I heard/read this all the time while teaching and going to professional development. Yet the public school system is nigger riddled, full of kids who are violent, can't read, and are criminal reprobates.

I guess what I'm saying is: Your evidence based garbage doesn't help. It makes everything FUCKING WORSE!

So... what EVIDENCE are these jackasses using? What is evidence based??

 

[Piss Bear]

I'm glad I got what I needed according to that poster, as my family and therapist told me that transitioning was not an overnight process and it wouldn't magically solve all my problems. They said I would still be me and not someone else.

And even if I did become a pooner, I still wouldn't dare to chop my breasts off or risk ripping up my leg to make a rotdog with no circulation. All of those pictures of botched phallopasties just reinforced that idea.

Well I'm glad at least one person has been convinced to stay away from trooning out partially due to this thread. I'm glad you got the support you needed! I have to work with two pooners at my job, and seeing how girly they are and still having to call them "he" is very cringe-inducing. It's painful to imagine them eventually wanting surgery too. I know one of them is already taking T. You don't wanna go down that route, it's such a slippery slope and past a certain point, you can never go back.

 

[Hepativore]

And even if I did become a pooner, I still wouldn't dare to chop my breasts off or risk ripping up my leg to make a rotdog with no circulation. All of those pictures of botched phallopasties just reinforced that idea.

Well I'm glad at least one person has been convinced to stay away from trooning out partially due to this thread. I'm glad you got the support you needed! I have to work with two pooners at my job, and seeing how girly they are and still having to call them "he" is very cringe-inducing. It's painful to imagine them eventually wanting surgery too. I know one of them is already taking T. You don't wanna go down that route, it's such a slippery slope and past a certain point, you can never go back.

My previous job (As well as the town I work in) was infested with pooners and I can tell you all sorts of horrible stories about their neurotic and abusive behavior towards non-pooner female employees as well as the horrible smell from chronic bacterial vaginosis caused by HRT that was constantly wafting from them a few feet away. I wish I could say that I was exaggerating, and while not to sound misogynistic, the pooner most recently-hired before I left that job constantly made her vicinity stink like an open can of surströmming just from being within a few paces of her as you could smell her "pH imbalance" through her clothes. Also, many of the pooners made the Men's bathroom smell like a fish market dumpster for awhile after they finished using it.

Pooners outnumber troons at this point as they have become the most common form of gender-special at the rate girls and women are pooning out in their teens and 20s. I hardly ever see troons in my area but pooners are everywhere in retail stores, gas stations, and gyms within the town I work in.

 

[Stan]

Yet another example of beauty standards within SRS. They see hooked noses and hooded eyes as masculine - features that many cis women happen to already have and be dissatisfied with. Many pre-FFS faces in that subreddit already looked androgynous. The desired nose and eyes seem to be the Hollywood celebrity ones, which reinforces dissatisfaction with natural face features.
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I like how miss half marathon kind of exposes that unless trannies (even the "doll" subtype) lean real head into feminine artifice they'll look like skinny men with long hair. When running a race I would clock him at 50 yards, even if he isn't head and shoulders ahead of the women's pack (pun semi intended). Even post FFS if they don't lean hard into the makeup and feminine clothes it won't read.

I don't like what they did with the middle top row troon. That artificial upturned nose looks bad, there wasn't anything wrong with his preop nose.

 

[Stan]

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What is evidence based?

No, really.

WHAT IS EVIDENCE BASED?

I heard/read this all the time while teaching and going to professional development. Yet the public school system is nigger riddled, full of kids who are violent, can't read, and are criminal reprobates.

I guess what I'm saying is: Your evidence based garbage doesn't help. It makes everything FUCKING WORSE!

So... what EVIDENCE are these jackasses using? What is evidence based??

Evidence based means there's studies (ideally randomized controlled studies, but there are other types with supplemental evidentiary value, mostly used in the process of designing randomized trials) that prove that the therapy/medication/surgery/medical device you're testing is better than doing nothing.

There's some wiggle room - for example there's a large number of studies supporting the idea that prayer and meditation are good for the health with meaningful, objective parameters like measuring blood pressure or pain tolerance.

The issue is that troons had their fingers in the university research pie for at least a couple of decades now and they will do unethical things to promote their ideology instead of going where the facts and evidence and analysis actually lead them. They'll place artificial bias in unvalidated measuring tools (e.g. a "dysphoria questionnaire" for FTMs with many questions that will score higher if they got mastectomy, because those questions rate things like "I have a flatter chest agree/disagree". If you got mastectomy, you will have a flatter chest, and they'll avoid asking questions like "I am satisifed with the cosmetic appearance of my chest" because FTMS might rate that poorly.) They will obscure, manipulate or attempt to mediate politically inconvenient data using tricks of mathmatical analysis, or by just failing to follow up with anyone but the research subjects who are in the tank for them and won't report anything untoward. They won't pursue research questions likely to yield a negative result. Given most of these investigators are going to be gender medicine physicians (endos, surgeons, psychologists etc.) of some kind, they know which side their bread is buttered on and are hesitant or just unwilling to post a negative research finding because of backlash from colleagues and potential loss of patients.

Some troon and pro-troon researchers will even withhold publication of research findings that do not suit their political narrative or try to suppress them. They've admitted to doing that to NYT. That's really really bad. That's totally unethical. What we need is a brave new generation of TERF scientists who aren't afraid to go where the evidence leads, because it's that kind of trial, analysis and meta-analysis (think: Cass Report) that will support policy changes good for all of us, except I guess the predator class troons.

 

[expectant asshole]

Ideally in evidence based medicine, patients’ wants are taken into consideration. But the trans monster made everyone’s brains fall out and they’ve stopped critically appraising the evidence (and all of the pro-troon evidence is shit science) and heathcare professionals seem to have forgotten everything they know about human bodies. EBM needs all three in balance (or I’d argue evidence and clinical experience is good enough) to function properly.

 

[Po's Cootah]

You are very lucky to have found an actual competent therapist, then. So many people in the mental health profession are basically rubber-stamping the recommendation of "transitioning" for anybody who expresses any sort of doubts about their "gender identity".

The process of FTM SRS is even more horrific if not worse than MTF surgery, and pooners often have even more nightmarish urinary complications like chronic UTIs and urethral strictures/kidney failure.

Well I'm glad at least one person has been convinced to stay away from trooning out partially due to this thread. I'm glad you got the support you needed! I have to work with two pooners at my job, and seeing how girly they are and still having to call them "he" is very cringe-inducing. It's painful to imagine them eventually wanting surgery too. I know one of them is already taking T. You don't wanna go down that route, it's such a slippery slope and past a certain point, you can never go back.

Yeah, thanks for your support. Being an autistic teen + exposure to porn + exploration of sexuality = possibility of changing gender. Even when my therapist supported trans people and would still support me if I transitioned, she still reminded me to be careful with that since I was so young at the time. 17-18 in fact. And this thread has convinced me of that too.

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What is evidence based?

No, really.

WHAT IS EVIDENCE BASED?

I heard/read this all the time while teaching and going to professional development. Yet the public school system is nigger riddled, full of kids who are violent, can't read, and are criminal reprobates.

I guess what I'm saying is: Your evidence based garbage doesn't help. It makes everything FUCKING WORSE!

So... what EVIDENCE are these jackasses using? What is evidence based??

Remember that part isn't talking about evidence-based healthcare to change teens' genders, it is talking about evidence-based healthcare to help them explore their identity and sexuality and make sure if they do indeed want to transition in the future as they remind them transitioning is not an overnight process.

 

[DSHK]

It’s so crazy to me that the vast majority are incredibly mentally ill and then are somehow expected to bounce back from this massive butchering. I don’t think I’ve heard or seen a single story of a routine/expected recovery. There’s always complications. It’s always protracted.

If you compare this to say hip replacement or hell even organ donation, there’s this assumption of if things go to plan, this is the estimated recovery time, this is how long you’ll need to rehabilitate/recover, you’ll be back to your usual by around this date. Even so, most people who have surgery will have good and bad days but overall the surgery is an improvement on your baseline.

Trans people have these surgeries have absolutely no inkling of what is to come. Even when they’ve “researched” and clearly seen all negative outcomes too.

The transgender cult censors the truth about SRS very heavily. I nearly got banned from a discord server for trying to convince a pooner not to go through with the teet yeet. The janny was of course another pooner. Whenever someone starts to make progress actually helping them escape the cult the other troons immediately shut it down and pull them back in.

 

[Po's Cootah]

The transgender cult censors the truth about SRS very heavily. I nearly got banned from a discord server for trying to convince a pooner not to go through with the teet yeet. The janny was of course another pooner. Whenever someone starts to make progress actually helping them escape the cult the other troons immediately shut it down and pull them back in.

I really want the whole LGBT community to be aware of how serious SRS/GRS is. If 1 in 3 vaginoplasties have complications and 3 out of 4 phalloplasties have complications...

Let's just hope Emília Perez - or Karla Sofia Gascón - did not have any serious health issues from la vaginoplastia.

 

[Otterly]

One thing that’s standing out reading the last few pages is the language they use.
The troons, who are men, are right there appropriating the correct language - they are talking about vaginas. There’s a lot of silly twee or vulgar stuff like ‘kitty’ but they call it a vagina.
But not the pooners. They say ‘phallus’ and they talk about their ‘sac’. They can’t even use the right (wrong) words. It strikes me as being really apologetic. So female

 

[DSHK]

I really want the whole LGBT community to be aware of how serious SRS/GRS is. If 1 in 3 vaginoplasties have complications and 3 out of 4 phalloplasties have complications...

Let's just hope Emília Perez - or Karla Sofia Gascón - did not have any serious health issues from la vaginoplastia.
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I dont like any kind of sodomite but the troons are a cult of AGP fetishists that is brainwashing autistic young men and young women with trauma or body image issues into mutilating themselves. Troons are the worst offenders but homosexuals also recruit new members by molestation and grooming. A lot of homosexuals and pedophiles became that way because they were molested as children. Ive noticed this attitude floating around that the LGB are normal and troons are the problem when nothing could be further from the truth. Gay men are just better at optics. I have done enough research and known enough of them in real life to know this.

 

[Constellationzero]

RE: Evidence based.

This was an attempt to get a definition pinned down. Same with DEI and PBIS.

I say this because it is CRUCIAL to bring this up often and repeat the question "What is evidence based?" like a broken record. Because most of us are privy to the facts:

There IS no evidence.
The evidence is wholesale fabricated.
Flawed and unethical practices are used.
There is bias and ideology used.

Colleges and Universities are places of learning and sharing ideas. But even the professors are parroting evidence based while outright lying and obfuscation--both ethics violations--that would drum them out of the teaching profession decades ago.

It is our duty to bring this up like a broken record for eternity.