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Eh, I can see the argument that SW was meant to be some commentary, and I know Lucas has said as much at times, but I remain partially unconvinced. It’s ultimately a modern space fantasy first and foremost, and an art project by Lucas.
Psycho is a commentary, but “late stage capitalism” misses the mark IMO. It’s more a critique/satire of a very specific culture, 80s yuppies, and the dehumanization arising from consumerism and materialism (the latter of which is quite literally a foundational tenant of modern leftism). It certainly does critique aspects of capitalism, but it’s not some scathing indictment of capitalism as whole, late stage or otherwise. More of the culture around it than anything.

No nothing about children of men, but I see it’s written by a Brit with a screenplay by a Mexican so I can believe it’s a bunch of faggy commie propaganda.
For American Psycho, it’s not even about capitalism as much as it is the consumerism and corporatism. None of the characters have any identity of their own, their job and status and what they own IS their identity. That’s why the business cards are so important, and why their actions are mostly left unchecked, but also why nobody actually knows who anyone is. Bateman gets away with his murders not because he’s rich, but because no one actually knows who Michael Bateman is and they all mistake him for someone else. “Paul Allen isn’t dead, I just had lunch with him in London” etc.
And then you have Bateman himself who worries about his appearance to an absurd degree, gets his entire taste in music from reviews he read, and measures his worth by the tables he can get or the quality of his apartment.
While a lot of these have capitalism themes, it’s more of an indictment of the 1980’s, which is particularly why people bashed it for being made too soon when it came out.


Star Wars on the other hand had close to no relation to the Vietnam war and Lucas saying so is just him trying to be deep. The movie is intentionally a schlocky soap opera and doesn’t present any of the merits or negatives of either side of the conflict. The rebels don’t even employ similar tactics that the Vietcong did


Yeah, Crichton was pretty rightwing all things considered. Wonder what he would think of Trump. I hate everybody trying to construe films into anti-capital stuff when they really aren't.

To be fair, a lot of movies are made by commies and staffed by commies thanks to the unions. Though George Lucas was infamously not a part of the union and used non-union people for the Star Wars movies and self financed the second and third films, which is why the union always hated Star Wars…and conveniently it was more profitable than any union movie ever.
 
The Rebels are the brave noble Viet Cong and the Empire is the evil American imperialist state.

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Clearly Lucas was very serious about his political themes in Star Wars.
Well, the Galactic Empire stopped the drug trade, squashed the slave trade, and reduced crime. Generally, the Sith government brought peace and order to the galaxy at the expense of personal liberty, creating a surveillance state.

The Empire is not explicitly right or left-wing. It’s orderly authoritarianism that brought about some good.
 
T well don’t bad guys were cool armor and people won’t end up sympathizing with them
the prequels were even more retarded in this respect

like how can you not root for the bad guys when the good guy side consists of
>a corrupt and inept bureaucratic mega-government whose incompetence and failure gives rise to armed seperatist rebellion and galactic civil war
>a monastic order of religious fanatics who abduct children at a young age and indoctrinate them into lifelong inceldom because "emotions bad"
>jar jar binks
 
Well, the Galactic Empire stopped the drug trade, squashed the slave trade, and reduced crime. Generally, the Sith government brought peace and order to the galaxy at the expense of personal liberty, creating a surveillance state.

The Empire is not explicitly right or left-wing. It’s orderly authoritarianism that brought about some good.
It's a shame people won't realize or recognize George Lucas was more focused on creating a good story centered around a hero's journey then making some political activist allegory of a movie. Even if he is a liberal he knew general audiences wouldn't react well to him spilling out his views and stances on the big screen.

Furthermore, he knew good film making techniques and camera angles when he saw them.

Never forget the Triumph of the Will inspiration for the end of A New Hope:
 
The Empire is not explicitly right or left-wing. It’s orderly authoritarianism that brought about some good.
Well it fits the urbanite strawman of Fascists they all despise, so they can project their political fantasies onto the good characters so they can stick it to their rightist opponents that way.

Re: dystopian science fiction, I will still recommend Brave New World by Huxley.
 
A "not my President" sign at a protest like that is just silly. It's in Scotland, of course he isn't your President.
Europoors complain about America so much because they implicitly recognize our hegemony over them and subconsciously think themselves as subjects of the United States (albeit with an autonomous administration). They are utterly buckbroken by the protagonist of world affairs.
 
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It's a shame people won't realize or recognize George Lucas was more focused on creating a good story centered around a hero's journey then making some political activist allegory of a movie. Even if he is a liberal he knew general audiences wouldn't react well to him spilling out his views and stances on the big screen.

Furthermore, he knew good film making techniques and camera angles when he saw them.

Never forget the Triumph of the Will inspiration for the end of A New Hope:
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or how he begged John Williams to blatantly steal the theme from a lesser known Ronald Reagan film, and Williams had to convince him to let him write his own song inspired by it.

 
Candace Owens literally was a leftist trying to dox conservatives until she got exiled by the left. She then veered right. She is the opposite of a consistent believer.
You talking about ‘social autopsy’? Because if so you might not be quite right.
Social Autopsy was intended to be a forensic anti-abuse tool to document people using social media to doxx, harass and abuse. It wasn’t intended to target anyone but horrible cunts regardless of political stance.

The proof of this is that Candace was known to Zoe Quinn at the time. Quinn wanted Social Autopsy shut down (for ‘mysterious’ reasons), and when Owens refused, she was attacked online, had racist emails sent to her, got threats, got doxxed etc.

Owens discovered that Quinn, the ‘anti-Gamergater’ was behind a lot of the alleged ‘orchestrated networks of online harassment’, including the harassment Quinn and her allies were allegedly receiving, because when Quinn’s demand for ‘harassment’ far outstripped supply, she simply manufactured more for herself.

That’s why Owens abandoned Social Autopsy and joined the ‘far right’. Another case of the left expelling moderates and having them fall into the embrace of the enemy.

People are free to change their political ideals at least once. Most teenagers go through a retarded socialist phase, for instance. You only get to critique political consistency when someone continually flips back and forth, as this shows that their political positions are not driven by well-considered core beliefs, but by temporary self-interest.
 
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Star Wars is fun just ignore everything else and you’ll be fine
Children of men is a film i watched after the antinatalism subreddit got mad at, pretty good
American psycho is a really good film as well, just ignore the sequel it doesn’t exist.
But muh politics! Everyone knows that a media can’t sustain itself without a moral faggot talking about how it all relates to the orange man!
 
Kinda off topic but it’s funny how the executive leadership of both the U.S and Russia can be classified into comedic roles. Trump the leader is the funny man while Vance his sidekick plays the foil. The opposite dynamic is apparent with Putin and Medvedev, with the former being the straight man while the latter serves as his funny man. Medvedev is basically Putin’s anger translator.
 
It took me a few years, but now I understand the reputation A&N has, bottom barrel hopelessly brainwashed people on all sides, Democrats and Republicans. Super gay!
>Rants about Democrats being behind everything
>Also rants about brainwashed republicans being on A&N
Smacks of last minute ‘I’m partisan but I better have a two way bet when I post this’ TBH.

This is one of the few places conservatives can have mature discussions online without crushingly retarded boomers and deranged post-boomer haters shitting up literally every page. Leaving aside your bizarre philosophical inconsistency, if the thread doesn’t suit you, leave.

There is nothing more worthless on Kiwifarms than someone who joins a thread just to sneer about how below them it is.

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Guys Ive decided I was wrong and we brought all those bricks and Corithian collums for the missions over the Rockies or the spanish (known for hard work) missionarys quarried the 30-40ft corithian columns for the missions and traded the natives beads for the hundreds of thousands of bricks required

It just makes sense
 
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