The realities of being trans

[HG 400]

C'mon, baby doll, I broke in to your house and took pictures of you while you slept just the other night. Running out of chloroform doesn't mean I won't still visit you. You don't wonder how your dishes were getting put away at night?

Glasses go in the drawer above mugs.

 

[shibbolethal]

not to be overly serious, but in an attempt to answer the original question without sounding like too much of a dumbass: a lot of people think of the whole transgender issue in a way that's counterproductive. as opposed to "what if i were a woman who wanted to be a man," it's more "what if i, as a man, was perceived as a woman by everybody else around me and was expected to behave like a woman."

sure, it's an option to suck it up and deal with it, but for many people it's a choice between a lifetime of being secretly super miserable, or a chance at having society perceive them in the "correct" manner and being happy, in exchange for things like violence, fear and like you said, a reduced dating pool. there are a lot of trans people who don't transition, simply because their chances aren't good enough.

also, there is actually a fair amount of people who don't take issue with dating a trans person. most of them are bisexual, but i know a gay couple where one is a man and one is a trans man, and i have a few straight friends who have dated trans people of the opposite gender. imo even if you just can't understand it it's the best choice to respect people if they respect you back. live and let live, i guess.

 

[TiggerNits]

i have a few straight friends who have dated trans people of the opposite gender.

You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means

 

[shibbolethal]

You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means

they consider themselves straight, and i'm not going to argue about that with them.

 

[TiggerNits]

I'm just saying, you fuck another man in the ass or suck his dick or even let him suck yours, well, buddy, you're some flavor of faggot

 

[shibbolethal]

I'm just saying, you fuck another man in the ass or suck his dick or even let him suck yours, well, buddy, you're some flavor of faggot

that point is arguable, because most people who are in a relationship with somebody who's trans don't think of their partners as their biological sex. it's a matter of perspective anyways. if a person says they're straight, fine. i'm not going to tell them otherwise because they're not trying to tell me what my sexual orientation is, you know?

 

[TiggerNits]

that point is arguable, because most people who are in a relationship with somebody who's trans don't think of their partners as their biological sex. it's a matter of perspective anyways. if a person says they're straight, fine. i'm not going to tell them otherwise because they're not trying to tell me what my sexual orientation is, you know?

The only perspective that matters is if your DNA gets run and they look at the XX or XY pair. I'm not saying it's bad to do whatever happens between two or more consenting adults on their own time , but trying to redefine words due to a bad case of the fee-fees is some old bullshit.

 

[shibbolethal]

The only perspective that matters is if your DNA gets run and they look at the XX or XY pair. I'm not saying it's bad to do whatever happens between two or more consenting adults on their own time , but trying to redefine words due to a bad case of the fee-fees is some old bullshit.

i'm not going to argue with you, because for some people that is the only perspective that matters! but i wouldn't say that things like the nuances of sexuality are somehow dictated by universal truths. it's not hurting me or anybody else, and i don't see a reason to try and 'disprove' a harmless personal conviction. if somebody says they're a cat or some shit and starts eating cat food, that's obviously not right and it's hurting them, but a guy who's married to a trans woman calling himself straight isn't doing anything aside from maybe going against traditional values other people have.

the meanings of words are flexible and can be interpreted certain ways. back when the word "homosexual" was coined, there was no widespread concept of a difference between gender identity and biological sex, so the exact original definition didn't reflect that. i hope you get what i'm saying, i'm not trying to overcomplicate the issue or sperg or anything.

 

[AnOminous]

The only perspective that matters is if your DNA gets run and they look at the XX or XY pair. I'm not saying it's bad to do whatever happens between two or more consenting adults on their own time , but trying to redefine words due to a bad case of the fee-fees is some old bullshit.

I'm a genetic realist in this sense, you're either XX or XY and if you aren't, well, bad luck for you but you're a freak.

That said, I have no problem at all irl treating people as whatever gender they present as. I may not actually believe you're a woman, in the traditional sense, but unless I want to fuck you, why do I care?

For instance, suppose you're a guy I work with, and you really love your kids, and insist on showing people pictures of them. He thinks those kids are really great and wonderful and smart and whatever. I don't agree. I think they look like fucking downies and they're ugly as sin and I'd probably kick them if I saw them crawling out a sewer grate. Do I tell this guy at work that I think this? No.

I also don't tell that tranny that he looks fucking ridiculous.

It's a little thing called courtesy.

 

[DangerousGas]

Glasses go in the drawer above mugs.

You put your glasses and mugs in a drawer? You're fucking sick.

 

[DNJACK]

You put your glasses and mugs in a drawer? You're fucking sick.

Beer and wine glasses woudnt even fit!

 

[DangerousGas]

Beer and wine glasses woudnt even fit!

I know, right? Seriously, this level of deviance needs to be stopped, for the common good.

 

[TiggerNits]

I'm a genetic realist in this sense, you're either XX or XY and if you aren't, well, bad luck for you but you're a freak.

That said, I have no problem at all irl treating people as whatever gender they present as. I may not actually believe you're a woman, in the traditional sense, but unless I want to fuck you, why do I care?

For instance, suppose you're a guy I work with, and you really love your kids, and insist on showing people pictures of them. He thinks those kids are really great and wonderful and smart and whatever. I don't agree. I think they look like fucking downies and they're ugly as sin and I'd probably kick them if I saw them crawling out a sewer grate. Do I tell this guy at work that I think this? No.

I also don't tell that tranny that he looks fucking ridiculous.

It's a little thing called courtesy.

I get that, but let's say for the sake of this example that your coworker's kids were ugly because they had a huge tumor on their heads that was actively making them dumber and slowly killing them but he refused to address it as such? He just keeps calling it their "Love bump" or something innocuous sounding.

You'd call CPS right, because these poor kids are going to die if this obvious defect doesn't get addressed? Since 2004 I've been to well over a dozen funerals for guys I've known, about half were from IEDs, the others were from the side effects of them years later, these were guys who needed help but couldn't admit to it. Thats how I see the trans issue, they off themselves more than PTSD addled soldiers with TBIs. Infact at a rate almost 4 times as high. They try to spread their misguided culture and ideas of self mutilation as well through social media to kids that are intellectually and emotionally vulnerable. They're not all bad people for it, but they want acceptance so they're actively recruiting disaffected kids and adults to their cause and sending them down the same miserable path all while perverting the meanings of words and attaching themselves to the hard work that the gays did for themselves.

To be succinct, everything you can say about the trans movement you can also say about aggressive leukemia

 

[MMMMMM]

but trying to redefine words due to a bad case of the fee-fees is some old bullshit.

I'm being pedantic here, but the definition of man/woman predates the discovery of chromosones by quite a long time. And historically, you didn't see the junk of 99.999% of the humans you met. So how did you decide who was a man and who was a woman? You just guessed based on their clothes, their voice, how they look and act.
In that regard, nothing has really changed, has it?

It's a kind of a Schrodinger's cat scenario, but with junk. If you don't know that there's a penis until you check, does the man become a woman until the point of checking? Schrodinger's Dong, that's what I'm calling it.

(On a serious note though, trans people are usually happier if they transition. Happy people kill themselves less often.)

 

[shibbolethal]

(On a serious note though, trans people are usually happier if they transition. Happy people kill themselves less often.)

yeah, the suicide rate statistics are from pre-medical transition trans people. it's kind of like how the suicide rates for people with depression are higher for those who aren't taking antidepressants.

 

[TiggerNits]

(On a serious note though, trans people are usually happier if they transition. Happy people kill themselves less often.)

Assuming they don't ever wake up one day and realize they just mutilated their bodies in a way that cannot be mended and will never truly be what they oh so badly wanted to.

Fact of the matter is the xx and xy have always existed in the eyes of people, just in less concise terms. Can you bare children? Can you spill seed to make children? Are you muscular or lithe? All of these things were part of a much larger sum of existence. By denying one's most basic human aspects, we dehumanize ourselves. It's mental illness, and it's super fucking sad that we treat it as it was a special fucking snowflake

 

[MMMMMM]

Assuming they don't ever wake up one day and realize they just mutilated their bodies in a way that cannot be mended and will never truly be what they oh so badly wanted to.

Fact of the matter is the xx and xy have always existed in the eyes of people, just in less concise terms. Can you bare children? Can you spill seed to make children? Are you muscular or lithe? All of these things were part of a much larger sum of existence. By denying one's most basic human aspects, we dehumanize ourselves. It's mental illness, and it's super fucking sad that we treat it as it was a special fucking snowflake

Yes, I am making an assumption that trans people don't normally wake up and stop being trans. But that's also broadly correct, people who actually go through with it are already convinced they know how they want to live.
I think you're putting too much importance on 'truly' being a man or a woman. Did you know that a lot of trans people don't actually get surgery on their genitals? Like, once they get the hormones and their breasts grow/get removed they're happy. I think what matters most to them is being able to live as a man/woman, not to have the exact reproductive capability as a man/woman. I mean, do guys who lose their dicks have the same suicide rate? No, because sex is just a small facet of life.

It's also not nearly as simple as xx and xy from a cultural perspective either, plenty of countries have had or sometimes still have a "third gender", where women act as men or men act as women. Sure, it might not be how our culture does gender, but you can't argue that "It's always been this way everywhere".

You might still believe its mental illness, and that's fine, but have you considered that transitioning might be the cure? If we don't allow people to transition, what do you suggest we treat these people with? There's no pill to take, you can't just throw them in a cell, you can't just open up their heads and flick some kind of gender switch. You mentioned that soldiers with PTSD needed help, so you know how important mental health can be. Transfolk need the same thing, but with a different kind of help.

 

[TiggerNits]

It's also not nearly as simple as xx and xy from a cultural perspective either, plenty of countries have had or sometimes still have a "third gender", where women act as men or men act as women. Sure, it might not be how our culture does gender, but you can't argue that "It's always been this way everywhere".

It's a mental illness tied in to a fetish, plain and simple. That said, name one culture where two genders wasn't the case?

 

[MMMMMM]

It's a mental illness tied in to a fetish, plain and simple. That said, name one culture where two genders wasn't the case?

It's definitely not a fetish, even furries take a break from being degenerate assholes from time to time. This is clearly permanent.

Here's one example of a third gender
And here is another

 

[TiggerNits]

It's definitely not a fetish, even furries take a break from being degenerate assholes from time to time. This is clearly permanent.

Here's one example of a third gender
And here is another

That's honestly new shit to me, I was expecting some revisionist history fuckery but this is actual information and I will have to say thank you for it and take it in to account as I reassess the situation as to come at it from a more informed angle