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Will the 4chan hack be the end of it?

  • Yes, goodbye forever 4chan

    Votes: 1,051 18.2%

  • No, they will rise from the ashes, stronger than ever

    Votes: 363 6.3%

  • This will rattle them but it will be forgotten about next week

    Votes: 2,396 41.4%

  • I am just here for the janny phonebooking

    Votes: 1,122 19.4%

  • What the fuck is 4chan

    Votes: 252 4.4%

  • Yotsuba&!

    Votes: 599 10.4%
  • Total voters
    5,783
Between all board bans for annoying some smaller board's janitor to the three captchas to view the Banned page, 4chan backend has only gotten gayer since the dox.
 
ALERT ALERT
TRUMP HAS TWO STICKIES ON /POL/

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I wanna watch those popular tranimes focused on tranime girls (lucky star, girls und panzer, frieren, etc.) because it will make me a cool aryan on twitter. But I think it will make me look like a tranny pedo lolicon to sharty and kiwifarms users.
Should I appeal to the masses or appeal to the obscure of high quality?
 
Shitoko said:
I wanna watch those popular tranimes focused on tranime girls (lucky star, girls und panzer, frieren, etc.) because it will make me a cool aryan on twitter. But I think it will make me look like a tranny pedo lolicon to sharty and kiwifarms users.
Should I appeal to the masses or appeal to the obscure of high quality?
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The former honestly sounds better. If you go hard enough into it, who knows, maybe one day you will get your very own thread here.
 
I just realized... Kiwifarms is doomed to meet the same fate as 4chan. Way back in a day, 4chan was highly notorious, to the point that every other website and news media foolishly misattributed to it being a hacker and troll website. Thing is... That's kind of the position the farms are in right now. You go to any mainstream website or news and you will see the farms being referred to as this "dark corner of the internet", as if it's just one massive collection of dox lists, although it serves numerous purposes, including offering spaces where a bunch of nerds can talk about anime and movies.

4chan started to lose it's "edge" at around the time Moot left, the site got infested with election tourists and youtubers started talking about it heavily. The latter ones are starting to effect the farms a little bit, all the oldfags seem to mention how the site's culture had changed ever since lots of new people came in looking for the christchurch shooting footage, which is probably what eventually led to thunderdome being created. Outside of that, there is a very clear disdain for drama youtubers taking footage and information from the site without credit as well, going so far as plaster racial slurs on Bossmanjack footage, so it would be unusable on youtube, but that seems to act more like a bandaid to a much larger general problem. And while Null doesn't show any intent of leaving as of now, eventually any online leadership is bound to change, either letting somebody else step up, or being forced to change themselves in an ever changing and unforgiving internet landscape. And just overall, looking at the community feature submissions, they are getting increasingly political, becoming less and less related to lolcows this site is known for. Even the lolcows seem to increasingly lean on being influencers or grifters, which arguably aren't lolcows at all. It all gives this sense of bad omen, that the only reason this website doesn't devolve into mass scale political shitflinging is due to strict moderation and countless "containment" threads. At what point will the jannies think "wait, I'm not getting paid anything for this, why should I care?".

I wouldn't be surprised of 10 years from now or something, this forum would get raided by people from encyclopedia dramatica or something, in a similar way soyjak.party raided 4chan.

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/tv/ is largely unmoderated 99.9% of the time, they'll leave literal off-topic threads up for hours, but post an actress' tits and see how fast they delete the post, you won't even have time to blink.
 
Skylavijas said:
4chan started to lose it's "edge" at around the time Moot left
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4chan always had waves of newfags that changed 4chan's culture with their arrival. Chanology, gamergate, fappening, trump election, etc. Unless you have a small trickle of new people, that slowly assimilate to the dominant culture, you will have changes. And the internet itself changes as well. On youtube you have people sharing 4chan greentexts, twitter bots that share 4chan stuff, youtubers making documentaries of lolcows using kiwifarms content. People access the internet using a phone rather than desktop, which changes the way people interact with a platform. The 3rd world gets access to the internet, the dominance of north americans and western europeans is long gone.
I'm new here, but kiwifarms seems to have similar layers of new waves of users. From people that gossip about lolcows, to TERFs that can't talk about trannies anywhere else, to specific events. I don't envy the moderation team having to deal with misogynists, misandrists, weebs, 2d-phobes, trump cocksuckers, trump haters, nazis, libtards, etc. all using one site.

That said, if you don't have any new people, your site just dies. I used to post a lot on gamereplays, an RTS game website. Now it's practically dead with just a few legacy users still using it as a meeting place to discuss C&C ZH.
 
not sure if it's been posted before but moot has a wife and child now
unless i've been bamboozled

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Waffle Iron said:
I don't envy the moderation team having to deal with misogynists, misandrists, weebs, 2d-phobes, trump cocksuckers, trump haters, nazis, libtards, etc. all using one site
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Headdot Reddot said:
The only positive thing I can say about /pol, and I can't believe I have anything positive to say, is that they're at least discussing what involvement Israel had in Charlie Kirks murder. I got banned from commenting on Kiwi's Charlie Kirk discussion post because I was making logical arguments based on evidence provided from sources close to Charlie (Candace Owens)
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That's what gives me this sense of unease. It doesn't feel like any social media or even online forum is meant to have such intense divergence of beliefs and opinions without it devolving into eternal flame wars or massive compromises on the freedom of speech which kills the whole appeal. Particularly after Kirk's death, I saw this tension between threads, where each was blaming and shitting on each other for what had happened, more interested in "owning" somebody than engaging in actual research. Almost as if evidence and accurate information were of secondary importance compared to what "the message" should be about.

It's a very tight rope to balance to not go excessive with the moderation or become too lax to ensure that threads on certain public figures don't get derailed by in-fighting that light up old grievances like powder kegs. Or worse... Tip toing too much beyond the limits of the law that would make the website not feasible to operate. Just like 4chan, Kiwifarms' commitment to freedom of speech is not just it's biggest strength, but it's biggest weakness that will keep stacking and stacking on new problems until they get skyscraper high and become unsolvable. Individually, these problems may not be a big deal, but if they keep stacking as seen with constant new issues of monetizing this site, it's just gonna become impossible to keep up. It's not one huge problem that kills a website, it's a ton of smaller ones that reinforce each other like a sort of spider web. Either you succumb to entropy, or forced to evolve and change yourself so much that you become a completely different entity from what you used to be and lose the essence of what made you special back in a day. Of the two, I think the vast majority of the users and mods of this website would prefer the former.
 
Skylavijas said:
I saw this tension between threads
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That seems to be kiwi's solution to the problem of having these different groups. Every thread has its own subgroup that is enforced by moderation. For example the elon thread is also anti trump, so when two users started a slapfight only the one saying that trump isn't all bad for threadbanned for a few days (even though both were derailing talking about something other than elon). Or with trannies, stinkditch has plenty of women, and the comment that women vote leftwing, thus invited troons into their bathrooms gets a negative response. Meanwhile in mass debates it gets positive stickers.
While it can stifle free debate, it works reasonably well. Extremists generally push out moderates. But kiwifarms can maintain multiple groups rather than slide down to one extreme. The forum didn't devolve into an endsieg between stormfront and tankies
Skylavijas said:
or even online forum is meant to have such intense divergence of beliefs and opinions without it devolving into eternal flame wars or massive compromises
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Null did mention this a few times in his postings. Most places proclaim free speech, but kill one side with moderation and cultivate a preferred audience. That's the easy solution, but null thought he could have a true free speech platform and now he's blacklisted from the entire financial system.
Skylavijas said:
but if they keep stacking as seen with constant new issues of monetizing this site
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If he could actually hold a bank account, he could survive of donations, people like the site enough to donate. It's just that any attempt gets him and anyone even remotely involved, blacklisted.

Honestly, I'm impressed by kiwifarms' ability to maintain diverse groups and give them a platform, without it turning into a massive slapfight. You don't have 4chanesque derailments where they call each other tranny, nigger, or schizo and end up replying to eachother 50 times with no intervention. You either have a place on which you can call out trannies, pedos, abusers, covid, mass survaillance and the like, or you have an easy to manage platform.
 
Waffle Iron said:
Most places proclaim free speech, but kill one side with moderation and cultivate a preferred audience. That's the easy solution, but null thought he could have a true free speech platform and now he's blacklisted from the entire financial system.
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Makes you wonder how much free speech do we actually have in the real world
 
Waffle Iron said:
Honestly, I'm impressed by kiwifarms' ability to maintain diverse groups and give them a platform, without it turning into a massive slapfight. You don't have 4chanesque derailments where they call each other tranny, nigger, or schizo and end up replying to eachother 50 times with no intervention. You either have a place on which you can call out trannies, pedos, abusers, covid, mass survaillance and the like, or you have an easy to manage platform.
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because of accounts.
or in some chans, id's... like that post-hack vtumor samefagging shit on 8moe, always relevant.
 
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