AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

The way AI art is made is so similar in concept to how humans learn to do art so it's funny seeing artists cry about it.
I think I said in the AI seething thread that aside from the most anal copyright fanatics, referencing multiple works isn't considered "art theft" when done by a person. But if AI does the same thing, suddenly SJWs and/or "furries" see it is "art theft" and "hurts artists" or other such claims -- ironically from those addicted to "social media".
 
You can tell people trying to make money out of it are using this because at the beginning of it all, there was quite a lot of sharing of workflows. This really, really stopped. Everyone's looking out for themselves now, trying to get ahead of others with the technology. I'd not be surprised if a lot of "anti-AI" artists are using these models themselves. It's a productivity booster.
"Quit using AI, it's destroying humanity, it's raping everything, if you use it you're a Nazi." (All intended as a distraction while the people screaming the loudest are doing exactly that, planning to unleash it as a "tamed" AI.)
 
I wonder how places like Japan with their insane copyright laws will handle it, though nothing is stopping outsiders from scraping or yoinking stuff from pixiv or Twitter.
There's a lot negative sentiment towards AI art from Japanese artists like you see on the English-speaking internet, and a bunch of them sticking retarded anti-AI watermarks on their art. Some Japanese companies seem to want to force people to pay for using their media as training data, but that's also not different from American companies doing the same, and I think more aggressively here. But the Japanese government itself has avoided putting hard limitations on AI because they're afraid doing so will mean they'll fall behind other countries economically. A video I saw from a Japanese AI expert who was called to give his opinion to the Japanese diet on the matter said the current approach was looking to be softer than the EU but not as soft as the US, with a focus on keeping a watch over AI development with hopes it will progress.

Japanese sites like Pixiv and DLsite have decided to freely allow people to post AIslop on them, so long as they're tagged as being made with AI. I have heard that not too long after AI art started getting common, Chinks and Jeets started dumping AI-generated photorealistic child porn onto Pixiv/Fanbox, which they had to crack down on and seemed to be a catalyst towards Mastercard and Visa harassing Japanese art sites. DLsite at some started straight forbidding any non-Japanese IPs from looking at pages for works with AI-generated art in them regardless of the type of content in them.
 
How the hell is any generative AI a "fascist project" anyways?

Fascism is when thing I do not like or agree with. Fascism means nothing other than a big word that makes things sound worse than they really aren't.

Fascism is bad. Therefore, label I put into it makes it even more bad.


The Fascism Mantra.
 
The most raped country gives the most raped ruling for AI copyright.
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hey @Retarded Weeb

Is anti-AI sentiment in Japan less than in the West, the same, or even more?
While I can read Japan, I'm not confident I hang out on Japanese social media enough to really give a good answer. But from I've seen, maybe less. As I said before, a lot of Japanese artists get really mad at the idea of their work being "stolen" for training data and will stick pointless "do not use for AI" watermarks on their art, like a lot of Western artists. But at the same time, I feels like it's mostly an entirely self-centered thing, like "I don't want anyone violating my copyright by stealing my art". I haven't noticed the sort broad-range derangement against the very concept of using AI for anything from Japanese internet posters likes you can see thousands of examples of in this thread from English-speaking posters I know a few Japanese artists quickly started messing around with using AI generation for backgrounds or using AI trained on their own art to generation to low resolution details to stick in their art, and I don't think they suffered any blowback like a lot of Western artists would probably get for that. There was also that one mobile game involving famous Shin Megami Tensei artist Kazuma Kaneko where they made a system to generate unique cards using an AI image generator trained on Kaneko's artwork, and the usual suspects in the West threw fits over it and acted like Kaneko was dead to them now, but from what I've seen there's wasn't any such nonsense from Japanese posters about it.
 
I don't know who are more annoying. Snobby writers who get bitchy and attack other writers for even using a hint of AI to do some writing, or the snobby artists that will get preachy for even touching AI to do something like using AI to design a character for a novel.

Both are incredibly sanctimonious.
 
As I said before, a lot of Japanese artists get really mad at the idea of their work being "stolen" for training data and will stick pointless "do not use for AI" watermarks on their art, like a lot of Western artists.
I think that overall, there's less copyright fanatics among Japanese artists than among Western artists.
 
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I don't know who are more annoying. Snobby writers who get bitchy and attack other writers for even using a hint of AI to do some writing, or the snobby artists that will get preachy for even touching AI to do something like using AI to design a character for a novel.

Both are incredibly sanctimonious.

In the end, it's both filled with people buried in their ego and moral superiority because they use REAL human hands for creating art cause how DARE anyone use AI that merely helps them out with something they're stuck on. That's why it's best to always keep your AI activity to yourself since you never know who you'll tell it to that'll crash out from the mere mention of AI.
 
One more thing. Let's be honest here. Most artists I have seen, including the ones that do shitty looking CalArts drawings (you know the look) charge up to 50 dollars for one sketch, sometimes 100 for a full body image.

Good on them for wanting to make money for their work. I have no issue with that.

But be for real. ChatGPT is cheaper and does free art. So more people will use it because it's affordable.
 
The most raped country gives the most raped ruling for AI copyright.
As long as it's not lying about who made what and isn't sale-replacing, ideas publicly available should be able to be built on. That's how creativity worked in the past BTW.
 
I think Japanese artists overall are less copyright fanatics than Western artists can be overall.
Well thinking about it, a big thing is probably how being anti-AI has been absorbed into the internet leftist uni-cause, so that makes it hard to talk in any left-leaning internet space without at least giving lip service to the idea that generative AI is the devil. The leftist uni-cause doesn't have much penetration into Japan as a social contagion, so there's no reason for Japanese internet posters to virtue signal to one another about how much they hate generative AI.
 
In the end, it's both filled with people buried in their ego and moral superiority because they use REAL human hands for creating art cause how DARE anyone use AI that merely helps them out with something they're stuck on. That's why it's best to always keep your AI activity to yourself since you never know who you'll tell it to that'll crash out from the mere mention of AI.

I'm part of a writing group that does regular historical stories and story telling on an online forum.

If you even think about using AI to write your character biography, people will openly shame it and trash it because we have the audacity to not write our own character's biography and backstory.

It's that looked down on. And I have seen many people shamed for it publicly.


FFS, it's a biography. Not a chapter.
 
But be for real. ChatGPT is cheaper and does free art. So more people will use it because it's affordable.
And the copyright fanatic "AI art is always soulless" types still REE that human artists should be paid for everything they make ever?

there's no reason for Japanese internet posters to virtue signal to one another about how much they hate generative AI
I think even before generative AI, Japanese artists were less anal on copyright vs. Western -- or at least deviantART -- artists overall, like with less usage of watermarks.
 
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And the copyright fanatic "AI art is always soulless" types still REE that human artists should be paid for everything they make ever?

Oh boy, here we go.

One time I openly admitted that if you prompt it enough, you can get AI to create beautiful watercolor landscape designs.

Someone told me, "HUR HUR, that's because it steals people's art."

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I'm part of a writing group that does regular historical stories and story telling on an online forum.

If you even think about using AI to write your character biography, people will openly shame it and trash it because we have the audacity to not write our own character's biography and backstory.

It's that looked down on. And I have seen many people shamed for it publicly.


FFS, it's a biography. Not a chapter.
If you think about, if people are okay with others writing fanfiction that uses someone else's characters and ideas, then having an AI make up some characters and plot ideas for you to write a story around should be fair game, it's close to the same thing. The best you can complain about is that it's not "fair" that the latter can still own full copyright of their story, but the former can't.
 
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