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Should be a wild four years.

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The economy is completely finished with no possible way to recover. I wouldn't be surprised if this leads to a second Great Depression just in time for the 2028 election, where the Dem nominee makes some empty promises to fix everything and rigs the election wins in a landslide.
 
How is thst even possible? Isn't international trade pretty much exclusively in the authority of the executive?

Why would domestic courts have any jurisdiction whatsoever over international trade?
Tariff is a tax. It is an imposition of a duty on imported goods to support domestic products. Taxation laws belong to Congress as well as regulation of international trade according to the Constitution. The executive branch is authorized to work on trade deals with countries but it ultimately requires Congress to sign those deals into law for the whole United States.

Trump tried to claim that the IEEPA granted him authority to make large tariffs on countries by declaring a national emergency. The President has been given some authority to make tariffs after declaring a national emergency. Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 allows the President to do so but only to raise tariffs on specific products, like aluminum and steel.

Trump was claiming that the IEEPA allowed him to just tariff any country, at any rate, on all of their products. The IEEPA does not allow him to do that as it plainly states it is on transactions and assets. The Supreme Court has affirmed as such.
 
So I decided instead of waiting for a human to give me an opinion, I'd ask an AI about the 3 Laws Kavanaugh stated Trump could use to impose tariffs and what powers that would give him, which I will then filter back to all of you through my meat processor:

Trade Expansion Act of 1962( Section 232) sets up a process that allows the President to impose tariffs or import restrictions if the Department of Commerce and Defense War deems there is a threat to US national security. The Department of Commerce has to conduct an investigation and allow for public input when appropriate, but the only time limits are on ceilings on the President responding to the that investigation and informing Congress. This one is used on metals and vehicles.

Trade Act of 1974 (Section 122) allows the President to impose temporary tariffs, maximum of 15% for 150 days unless extended by Congress, to address inequity in the currency exchange of another country if I reading this correctly ("large and serious" U.S. balance-of-payments deficits, prevent imminent dollar depreciation, or correct international payments disequilibria). Never been used.

Trade Act of 1974 (Section 201) allows the President to impose a Tariff if a surge of imports injure or threated to injure a U.S. domestic industry. The US International Trade Commission gets up to 3 months to give a report to the President, who then can increase standing Tariffs up to 50% for 4 years, but they have to be phased down over the run if it lasts longer than a year. Has been used on solar cells and appliances.

Trade Act of 1974 (Section 301) allows the President, through the US Trade Representative, to impose tariffs to enforce US trade agreements or address any action by a foreign government that impacts US commerce. The US Trade Representative determines if the action is mandatory(required by a trade agreement) or discretionary(for unreasonable foreign practices). There is no cap on the Tariff rate, limit to 4 years but can be extended by the US Trade Representative. This has been used a lot, and I suspect how Trump will be moving forward on Tariffs.

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This is the top of the US Trade Representative government webpage, so I think it's safe to say this guy is in Trumps corner.

Trade Act of 1930 (Section 338 ) allows the President to impose tariffs on goods from foreign countries that unfairly restricts US Goods differently from other nations. The tariffs can not exceed 50% of the value of the item. It has never been used but has been threatened before, and is fully under the purview of the President to enact and suspend as needed. Most likely this is how Trump will continue forward on using Tariff negotiations, he just won't be able to go above 50%.
 
Trump says he’s considering limited military strike against Iran

Are there any bets that there will be a war this weekend?
Absolutely. He needs a distraction from the absolute felting he received today.

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Rand paul signaling that AOC will be president, but it's ok, she'll respect the constitution when she is because of this ruling.
Gay race communism ruling America is already a foregone conclusion now. AOC is most likely our next president.
 
You guys have to realize that Hogan in particular does not want to discuss or debate anything with right wingers. He want to insult you with impunity and feel validated in doing so. It's why he mostly stays in TES hugbox threads because there he gets asspats for his vitriol and will cry to the mods if you disrupt that.
I never really argued with Hogan. He seems respectful enough just seems like banter to me. Makes the thread more entertaining.
 
How is thst even possible? Isn't international trade pretty much exclusively in the authority of the executive?

Why would domestic courts have any jurisdiction whatsoever over international trade?
Because power serves power, and multinational corporations have a lot of power.

So Doomers are faggots and this is a nothing burger?
Going to have to refund billions of dollars already taken in tariffs though..
 
Look if Trump was a cuck obsessed with old man sex and shitty diapers ,like you, I would find him a disgusting retard, like you.

I would not support him.

Do you need me to dumb it down further to queesechake level ?
Lol so nothing to do with policy, just that you get upset when people point out your weird fetish for being submissive to an old fat man who shits his pants?

Bullshit you fucking liar, you do it in mass debates too.
The TES thread was originally in the lolcow section of the forums. Same with the TDS thread. And people on both sides would get permbans from the threads (and still do)
 
Hyundai isn't going to stop building their new factories because of this ruling. A lot of benefit from the aggressive tariff policies has already been locked in. Art of the Deal, folks. He used the leverage when he had it, now he will use a different approach.
 
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