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CaliforniaRaisin said:
So, Trump used Section 122 of the 1974 act to put these 10% in place. But that section only allows for 150 days to address Trade deficits. What do in the spring?
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I love how everyone is ignoring the handful of other laws that allow for permanent tariffs that Trump could use.
 
Imperial Citizen said:
That doesn't make any sense. You can apply multiple tariffs at the same time. He already has Section 232 tariffs for instance. He said he is not going to ask Congress to raise tariffs so it looks like 10% universal tariffs is all we are going to get for 150 days.
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It takes longer than a couple hours to file new tariffs under 232. He has to get new approvals from the board of commerce and the doj.
 
Here's the full list of attorneys general who want to destroy the Internet to "protect the children":
  • William Tong (D-CT)
  • Ann E. Lopez (D-HI)
  • Dave Yost (R-OH)
  • Jonathan Skrmetti (R-TN)
  • Gwen Tauiliili-Langkilde (American Samoa)
  • Kris Mayes (D-AZ)
  • Tim Griffin (R-AR)
  • Rob Bonta (D-CA)
  • Phil Weiser (D-CO)
  • Kathleen Jennings (D-DE)
  • Brian Schwalb (D-DC)
  • Christopher M. Carr (R-GA)
  • Kwame Raoul (D-IL)
  • Todd Rokitac (R-IN)
  • Kris Kobach (R-KS)
  • Russell Coleman (R-KY)
  • Liz Murrill (R-LA)
  • Aaron M. Frey (D-ME)
  • Anthony G. Brown (D-MD)
  • Andrea Joy Campbell (D-MA)
  • Dana Nessel (D-MI)
  • Keith Ellison (D-MN)
  • Lynn Fitch (R-MS)
  • Catherine L. Hanaway (R-MO)
  • Aaron D. Ford (D-NV)
  • John M. Formella (R-NH)
  • Jennifer Davenport (D-NJ)
  • Raúl Torrez (D-NM)
  • Letitia James (D-NY)
  • Drew H. Wrigley (R-ND)
  • Gentner Drummond (R-OK)
  • Dan Rayfield (D-OR)
  • Dave Sunday (R-PA)
  • Peter F. Neronha (D-RI)
  • Alan Wilson (R-SC)
  • Marty Jackley (R-SD)
  • Gordon C. Rhea (US Virgin Islands)
  • Derek Brown (R-UT)
  • Charity Clark (D-VT)
  • Keith Kautz (R-WY)
 

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CaliforniaRaisin said:
Nigger I'm not ignoring it. If there's laws for permanent tariffs, why the fuck didn't he use THAT one?
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He is for a lot of tariffs that are currently in effect right now. This is just something he was ready to do on day 1 of the ruling as a power move. He will be negotiating with various countries on what will be added going forward.
 
The Ugly One said:
No. Even with Bronze Age relics, if something was made with an unknown tool, or unknown input, it becomes much, much harder to figure out how to make it. A good example is "how did they build the pyramids?" is still a matter of debate.

With a smartphone, to figure out how to make one, the Romans would have to:
  1. Invent an electron microscope to look at the CPU to figure out it's not just magic
  2. Discover quantum physics to invent an electron microscope
  3. Discover the electron and photon
  4. Discover chemistry and electricity so they can discover the electron
  5. Achieve a basic understanding of light so they can discover the photon
  6. Discover semiconductors
  7. Discover classical physics so they can discover quantum physics
  8. Invent calculus
  9. Invent statistics
  10. Invent algebra
  11. Invent the Cartesian plane
By the time they've done all that, centuries have passed, and so much has changed due to this technologies and discoveries that they're not "the ancient Romans" any more. Even if we gave the Romans something that didn't require a microscope, like a Model T, they still wouldn't figure out how to make one because they'd have to invent the blast furnace and the moving assembly line, none of which discoverable from the materials and parts.
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I had forgotten to think about Rome today, thanks for correcting that error
 
Fatpacks said:
I've heard enough. Just take the fucking Andrew Jackson portrait down at this point.
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Fat packs I know you don’t know this but if that portrait would ever to be removed Andrew Jackson would rise from the grave and proceed to duel everyone to death that’s the seal that keeps our most blood thirsty president from killing the fed and then all of the US.
 
The Ugly One said:
No. Even with Bronze Age relics, if something was made with an unknown tool, or unknown input, it becomes much, much harder to figure out how to make it. A good example is "how did they build the pyramids?" is still a matter of debate.

With a smartphone, to figure out how to make one, the Romans would have to:
  1. Invent an electron microscope to look at the CPU to figure out it's not just magic
  2. Discover quantum physics to invent an electron microscope
  3. Discover the electron and photon
  4. Discover chemistry and electricity so they can discover the electron
  5. Achieve a basic understanding of light so they can discover the photon
  6. Discover semiconductors
  7. Discover classical physics so they can discover quantum physics
  8. Invent calculus
  9. Invent statistics
  10. Invent algebra
  11. Invent the Cartesian plane
By the time they've done all that, centuries have passed, and so much has changed due to this technologies and discoveries that they're not "the ancient Romans" any more. Even if we gave the Romans something that didn't require a microscope, like a Model T, they still wouldn't figure out how to make one because they'd have to invent the blast furnace and the moving assembly line, none of which discoverable from the materials and parts.
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I confess that I thought you were going to bring up that thing about how computers are making circuitboards humans can't understand. I tip my hat.
 
Fatpacks said:
Here's the full list of attorneys general who want to destroy the Internet to "protect the children":
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This is good work but the internet is going to go the way of the dinosaur in this current forms. Null even touched on this in a few points. He's not really the only one though. There's going to need to be some form of The Internet 2 at some point in the future of our lifetimes. Think of the way the Internet has replaced cable. There will be a similar migration. So in the long run, this is inevitable.
 
Breadbassket said:
Trump:

Effective immediately, all national security tariffs under Section 232 and all existing Section 301 tariffs remain fully in place and in full force and effect.

Today, I will sign an order to impose a 10% global tariff under Section 122, over and above our normal tariffs already being charged.

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Aka: THAT'S IT!

ALL THE PUSSY IS GETTING GRABBED!
 
The Ugly One said:
No. Even with Bronze Age relics, if something was made with an unknown tool, or unknown input, it becomes much, much harder to figure out how to make it. A good example is "how did they build the pyramids?" is still a matter of debate.

With a smartphone, to figure out how to make one, the Romans would have to:
  1. Invent an electron microscope to look at the CPU to figure out it's not just magic
  2. Discover quantum physics to invent an electron microscope
  3. Discover the electron and photon
  4. Discover chemistry and electricity so they can discover the electron
  5. Achieve a basic understanding of light so they can discover the photon
  6. Discover semiconductors
  7. Discover classical physics so they can discover quantum physics
  8. Invent calculus
  9. Invent statistics
  10. Invent algebra
  11. Invent the Cartesian plane
By the time they've done all that, centuries have passed, and so much has changed due to this technologies and discoveries that they're not "the ancient Romans" any more. Even if we gave the Romans something that didn't require a microscope, like a Model T, they still wouldn't figure out how to make one because they'd have to invent the blast furnace and the moving assembly line, none of which discoverable from the materials and parts.
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Reminds me, here's a good breakdown on an alt-his novel about time traveling european neo-nazis going back in time to give the confederates AK-47s, and the inherent foibles of giving tech way too advanced for a certain time period away to people who can't actually create it themselves
 
147573952589676412927 said:
What's the most frustrating thing about this is that it's perfectly legal to make your own guns. 100% Completely legal. You can go out, buy a small forge, and cast all the metal parts you need for a gun, assemble it, and fire it, without violating a single law.

But if it's made out of plastic? Oh, well, let's make that illegal!

Fucking retards.
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Yeah, but the only reason there isn't more laws restricting that is probably because those types are hardly aware of what forging and casting metal parts even is. They probably think doing that sort of stuff can only be done at scale with factories.
 
mlanguishi said:
And you want foreign companies to flood the nation and take over. Look at the inflation #s and deficit alone.
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The justification for these tariffs have changed every few fucking minutes.

On paper, the excuse for him to enact these blanket tariffs is "national security", then it became a negotiating tactic to combat of Fentanyl smuggling and illegal Canadian immigrants, then it was about bringing manufacturing back to America, then it was about evening out supposed "trading imbalances", then it was about owning China (245% fucking increase on goods), then it was about forcing countries into new trade deals, then it was about Fentanyl, then it was about manufacturing, etc etc etc

Bottom line is that this tariff bullshit is Trump's only method of governance. The courts cucked him out of building the wall and doing a large amount of what he campaigned on back in his first term, but they turned a blind eye to tariffs which allowed him to decimate the farming industry via his first trade war with China (which your tax dollars bailed them out of!).

Tariffs are the singular hammer he has to try and smack down any perceived nail which is why he'll gladly shoot the economy in the dick if it means he gets to try and exert power on the global stage (outside of carrying Netanyahu's orders here and there).
 
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