🐱 Germany passes law to fine social media sites over hate speech

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https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/30/15898386/germany-facebook-hate-speech-law-passed



German lawmakers have passed a controversial law under which Facebook, Twitter, and other social media companies could face fines of up to €50 million ($57 million) for failing to remove hate speech. The Network Enforcement Act, commonly referred to as the “Facebook law,” was passed by the Bundestag, Germany’s parliamentary body, on Friday. It will go into effect in October.

Under the law, social media companies would face steep fines for failing to remove “obviously illegal” content — including hate speech, defamation, and incitements to violence — within 24 hours. They would face an initial fine of €5 million, which could rise to €50 million. Web companies would have up to one week to decide on cases that are less clear cut.

Justice Minister Heiko Maas and other supporters of the bill have argued that it is necessary to curb the spread of hate speech, which is strictly regulated under German law. But digital rights activists have broadly criticized the law, saying it would infringe on free speech, and that it gives tech companies disproportionate responsibility in determining the legality of online content.

“Experience has shown that, without political pressure, the large platform operators will not fulfill their obligations, and this law is therefore imperative,” Maas said in an address Friday, adding that “freedom of expression ends where criminal law begins.”

“We believe the best solutions will be found when government, civil society and industry work together and that this law as it stands now will not improve efforts to tackle this important societal problem,” a Facebook spokesperson said in an email statement. “We feel that the lack of scrutiny and consultation do not do justice to the importance of the subject. We will continue to do everything we can to ensure safety for the people on our platform.”

A Twitter spokesperson declined to comment on the passage of the law.

Germany has in recent years intensified efforts to crack down on hate speech, amid a rise in anti-migrant sentiment that has been fueled in part by the ongoing refugee crisis. Facebook, Twitter, and Google agreed to remove such content from their platforms within 24 hours, under a 2015 deal with the German government, but a 2017 report commissioned by the Justice Ministry found that the companies were still failing to meet their commitments. Earlier this month, German police raided 36 homes over social media posts that allegedly contained hateful content, following a similar operation that targeted 60 people last year.

Social media companies are facing pressure to remove hate speech, fake news, and terrorist propaganda from European Union leaders, as well. Last month, the European Council approved a set of proposals that would require web companies to block any videos that contain hate speech or incitements to terrorism. Maas has also called for Europe-wide regulations on hate speech and fake news.

Facebook and Google have launched campaigns to combat fake news and hate speech in recent months, with Facebook recently announcing that it would hire an additional 3,000 people over the next year to moderate flagged content. The social network explained the complexity in moderating hate speech in a recent blog post, as part of its “hard questions” series, but it faced renewed criticism this week after a ProPublica investigationdetailed Facebook’s confusing internal systems that underpin its hate speech policy.

EDRi, a Brussels-based digital rights group, criticized the bill’s passage in a blog postpublished ahead of Friday’s vote. “[Social media] companies are, quite rationally, driven by the motivation to avoid liability, using the cheapest options available, and to exploit the political legitimization of their restrictive measures for profit,” writes Maryant Fernández Pérez, senior policy adviser at EDRi. “This can only lead to privatized, unpredictable online censorship.”
 
How convenient that these laws by these fascist governments invariably simultaneously order a company to do something impossible and the penalty is giving a million jillion bazillion dollars to that very same corrupt government.

They should have the balls just to declare a giant tax because that's what this is.

These governments are just a pack of thieving brigands.
 
I have a real problem with "hate speech". With crimes like murder or theft there is an objective damage you can record and prove. "Hate Speech" is whatever the government says it is and that's such a dangerous thing to have.

"Hate speech" is just speech some politically powerful group hates.
 
Germany could solve this issue by not accepting such a large number of unskilled immigrants and/or being more discriminating about who they let in. This is a problem that has been going on there for decades now. The German government is so terrified of being called Nazis that they are willing to cuck their own citizens on social services and free speech.
 
“freedom of expression ends where criminal law begins.”
That sentence alone makes me want to smash in Heiko Maas' stupid face with a sledgehammer.
It's even more aggravating in German, but this is essentially the establishment of a slippery slope to censor almost anything that the goverment wants to censor.

And as if this wasn't enough of a travesty, they put a fucking company like Facebook in charge to decide what's okay to be said and what isn't. Jfc.

The main issue with censorship isn't so much what is and what isn't allowed but rather the grey zone in the middle where it's not so clear. FB will tend to be on the safe side and delete content even if it wouldn't be "problematic", just to be sure to avoid the fine.

This whole thing is a fucking farce and I hope against hope that the european court or the constitutional court will somehow stop this shit.
Earlier this month, German police raided 36 homes over social media posts that allegedly contained hateful content,
It wasn't just about mean comments on FB. Just bringing this up for clarification.
German's don't understand irony do they? I mean this is the country that's so ashamed of fascism that they ban pretty much any media that depicts the Nazis.
Utterly untrue. There's several TV stations that broadcast at least one documentary about WW2 per day. It is impossible to avoid Nazi-related stuff in Media... or in school.
Mind you, I was lectured about concentration camps during math class when I was in 5th grade - it came totally out of the blue and had no connection to anything we were talking about before.
That is how deeply set this topic is into the average day.

On a sidenote - Your statement seems to be based on a little misunderstanding:
Depicting Swastikas is illegal unless it is for educational or artistic reasons. So it's not okay to smear it on walls, but it's okay to show them in images, documentaries or movies.
Vidya is not considered art, therefore we regularly get issues with Games like Wolfenstein, where they have to replace the swastikas with something else.
It's okay to depict in comics and manga though.

And what if Facebook doesn't comply? Does the German government have any power over Facebook?
Let me put it like this: Why will VW cough up the money that the USA demands from them over Dieselgate?
I have a real problem with "hate speech". With crimes like murder or theft there is an objective damage you can record and prove. "Hate Speech" is whatever the government says it is and that's such a dangerous thing to have.
Exactly, this is just a really stupid and unrealistic attempt to solve a problem by treating the symptoms. At best. Since I have little faith in politicians, I assume this is more about exerting control over what kind of information is available on social media.

They always forget the I at the start. I Hate Speech.
They also forget the "Free" in the middle.

Germany could solve this issue by not accepting such a large number of unskilled immigrants and/or being more discriminating about who they let in. This is a problem that has been going on there for decades now. The German government is so terrified of being called Nazis that they are willing to cuck their own citizens on social services and free speech.
A common misconception about these laws seems to be that people think it's meant to delete information about -say- refugees engaging in surprise sexy times with the local population. That's not really the case, it's more a broad, sweeping blow against free speech as a whole.
If anything, that makes it even worse.
 
Germany could solve this issue by not accepting such a large number of unskilled immigrants and/or being more discriminating about who they let in.

I think they're past that point:

Germans now the MINORITY in Frankfurt: More than half of residents in the city have a migrant background, official figures show


More than half of residents living in the German city of Frankfurt have a migrant background, according to new statistics.

Figures show 51.2 per cent of people living there are either non-German, German citizens born abroad or Germans who are the children of immigrants.

The city's secretary of integration Sylvia Weber said: 'We have minorities with relatively large numbers in Frankfurt but no group with a clear majority.'

Turkish migrants are the largest non-German minority that are settled in Frankfurt, accounting for 13 per cent of the population.

A further 61 per cent of residents who were born abroad have come from other countries within the European Union.

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The figures show 51.2 per cent of people living in Frankfurt are either non-German, German citizens born abroad or Germans who are the children of immigrants

The vast majority of immigrants had a legal and 'consolidated' status of residency.

The statistics were revealed in a 200-page document titled 'Frankfurt Integration and Diversity Monitoring'.

The report was designed to provide a grounding for the city to better respond to inequalities in areas like employment, education and housing.

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'The trend is clear. We are a city without a majority,' added Ms Weber.

The report also shows disparities between immigrants and German - with 49 per cent of non-Germans falling below the poverty line, compared to just 23 per cent of original native citizens.

Immigrants are also less likely to be in work, with just 73 per cent of non-German men and 59 per cent of non-German women being in employment.

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Turkish migrants are the largest non-German minority who have settled down in Frankfurt, accounting for 13 per cent of the population. Pictured is a Turkish woman waving a flag showing President Erdogan at an AKP event in Frankfurt this March

The data shows that 83 per cent of native German men are in work - as are 78 per cent of native German women.

It comes after a book published last year predicted that native Germans would soon be reduced to a minority in Frankfurst, Augsburg and Stuttgart.

The German cities would join others throughout Europe that have already seen immigrant numbers overtake natives, including Amsterdam, Brussels, Geneva and London.

The book, titled Super-Diverstiy: A New Perspective on Integration, criticised politicians' calls for migrants to inegrate.

The authors criticised politicians' calls for migrants to innegrate, arguing: 'In practice the result of these calls to assimilate is that an increasing number of citizens with a migrant background feels excluded and unwelcome.'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4652002/Native-Germans-minority-Germany.html#ixzz4lW5Lp89J
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Although that EU 61% statistic confuses me, in the sense that I'm not quite sure it is 61% of exactly what.
 
That sentence alone makes me want to smash in Heiko Maas' stupid face with a sledgehammer.
It's even more aggravating in German, but this is essentially the establishment of a slippery slope to censor almost anything that the goverment wants to censor.

And as if this wasn't enough of a travesty, they put a fucking company like Facebook in charge to decide what's okay to be said and what isn't. Jfc.

The main issue with censorship isn't so much what is and what isn't allowed but rather the grey zone in the middle where it's not so clear. FB will tend to be on the safe side and delete content even if it wouldn't be "problematic", just to be sure to avoid the fine.

This whole thing is a fucking farce and I hope against hope that the european court or the constitutional court will somehow stop this shit.

It wasn't just about mean comments on FB. Just bringing this up for clarification.

Utterly untrue. There's several TV stations that broadcast at least one documentary about WW2 per day. It is impossible to avoid Nazi-related stuff in Media... or in school.
Mind you, I was lectured about concentration camps during math class when I was in 5th grade - it came totally out of the blue and had no connection to anything we were talking about before.
That is how deeply set this topic is into the average day.

On a sidenote - Your statement seems to be based on a little misunderstanding:
Depicting Swastikas is illegal unless it is for educational or artistic reasons. So it's not okay to smear it on walls, but it's okay to show them in images, documentaries or movies.
Vidya is not considered art, therefore we regularly get issues with Games like Wolfenstein, where they have to replace the swastikas with something else.
It's okay to depict in comics and manga though.


Let me put it like this: Why will VW cough up the money that the USA demands from them over Dieselgate?

Exactly, this is just a really stupid and unrealistic attempt to solve a problem by treating the symptoms. At best. Since I have little faith in politicians, I assume this is more about exerting control over what kind of information is available on social media.


They also forget the "Free" in the middle.


A common misconception about these laws seems to be that people think it's meant to delete information about -say- refugees engaging in surprise sexy times with the local population. That's not really the case, it's more a broad, sweeping blow against free speech as a whole.
If anything, that makes it even worse.

I was gonna ask why Europe has such a hateboner for the basic human right to free expression but then I realized that's the case for basically all governments. The US government would be doing the same thing if that DANG DIRTY CONSTITUTION wasn't there.
 
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