Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Are you ready for the final episode of SFA? I know I'm not, because my eyes weren't made for horrors beyond my comprehension.
 
Watching DS9 "Rocks and Shoals"

Another episode where they waffle and whine over something they really shouldn't. "Oh no, we feel so bad that the Jem'hadar were set up by the Vorta. Should we just give up and die to satisfy our namby-pamby Starfleet morality?" You are at fucking war with a race that is literally genetically engineered to be as vicious and war-like as possible, Why are you still catching feelings for them at the expense of your own?

Also another "the Bajoran's are fucking nutcases" episode. A vedic fucking hangs herself and Kira immediately turns back into a terrorist. Does Starfleet really think it's a good idea to let them join? Why wouldn't you immediately expect that a bunch of them will go terroriat immediately.

It's already over?

That was fast.

Hollywood is lazy as fuck now. We used to get 25 episode seasons every year like clockwork. Now it takes them 2 to 3 years to shit out 8 episodes
 
Also another "the Bajoran's are fucking nutcases" episode. A vedic fucking hangs herself and Kira immediately turns back into a terrorist. Does Starfleet really think it's a good idea to let them join? Why wouldn't you immediately expect that a bunch of them will go terroriat immediately.
Someone in Starfleet once dated an Irish redhead. Then they discovered an entire planet of them and he decided his legacy would be to unleash them on the Federation.
 
Hollywood is lazy as fuck now. We used to get 25 episode seasons every year like clockwork. Now it takes them 2 to 3 years to shit out 8 episodes
It took about 2-3 months to make a TOS episode, with about 8 days of filming time. And yet they still managed 26-30 eps a season. The quest for syndication was crazy, man.

60s Doctor Who was even more insane, with episodes being filmed with the scenes in order, and generally with one take per scene, as if it were a stage play. Every Classic Who episode was filmed in like 75 minutes. This is why everyone flubs lines constantly in that show. And there were like 40 episodes a season, shit was a slave camp for the actors.
 
His part feels like it was written for a much younger person, and the actor even plays him like a kid, it was such an odd choice.

Malcolm is the one that never worked for me, he had no real personality.
Huh, as far as I can tell, this is everything I know about Malcolm: He likes Pinapple, He's very serious, and he really really really wants alien pussy.
 
Does she ever. Great actress, too. Also enjoyed her in Stargate SG1.
Those last couple seasons of SG1 weren't amazing, but Browder and Black were obviously having a lot of fun working together again. I remember being absolutely outraged when SciFi network cancelled Farscape in favor of an endless stream of Sharknado slop movies.

60s Doctor Who was even more insane, with episodes being filmed with the scenes in order, and generally with one take per scene, as if it were a stage play. Every Classic Who episode was filmed in like 75 minutes. This is why everyone flubs lines constantly in that show. And there were like 40 episodes a season, shit was a slave camp for the actors.
I never knew this, and it makes me appreciate the Tom Baker era all the more. British sci-fi TV had that 60's theatrical overacting thing well into the 80's, and it makes sense that was why.
 
I never knew this, and it makes me appreciate the Tom Baker era all the more. British sci-fi TV had that 60's theatrical overacting thing well into the 80's, and it makes sense that was why.
Well, by the 70s the shooting schedule was a lot more relaxed. I'm sure it was still pretty hectic but in the 60s they were actually shooting episodes a week before they would air. It was actually impossible to air the episodes out of production order because they were produced basically on the spot. 70s Who started airing episodes out of production order, so things must have been run a little smarter by then.
 
That's actually giving him too much credit, she dumped him 4 years earlier. She comes back and Travis thinks… maybe we should try again? And then it turns out she’s a mole for human-supremacists.

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Imagine being the actress and your agent’s like “great news, you booked Star Trek, you’re FWB with least liked character on the show and also a racist."
Double agent, let's not forget that.
 
I don't think you have to go that far back. You could have the optimistic, exploration-focussed tone of TOS set in the aftermath of the Dominion War. Exploring the Gamma Quadrant, figuring out how to deal with separatist and insurgent Dominion factions, figuring out what the Alpha Quadrant is going to look like now that it's no longer united by a common enemy.

Set it 30 years afterwards so we don't need to have excessive cameos and things have had time to change and evolve.
There are 2 reasons I advocate for a reboot:

1) You give the writers a chance to make their own take on the Star Trek setting without having to worry about stepping on the toes of the fanbase. If you write the episode today and say you absolutely cannon engage the warp drive in an atmosphere, you are bound to have someone say "wait a minute, they did just that in episode 12!" This would give the writers more wiggle room to flesh out and define their take on the setting without worrying about decades of continuity or trying to fix decades of continuity problems that already exist but that they are going to run into. Remember, this is the fanbase that couldn't live with Worf's throwaway line joke about not liking to discuss why Klingons in the 1960s show didn't have ridges and DEMANDED answers which ended up with convoluted backgrounds involving Data's creator's family and Khan and Klingons and whatever else. Not to mention, it gives the writers a chance to explore new ideas or sci-fi concepts without necessarily trying to shoehorn it into a serial setting, which seems to be the norm these days, or at least a semi-episodic is.

2) In the same vein, it makes the buy-in for new viewers much less. As it stands now, just getting someone up to speed with pre-JJ Abrams Trek means watching six series and ten movies. That's really too much to ask for someone you are trying to get to watch your project from scratch. And the original audience of Baby Boomers and Gen Xers are aging out. Baby Boomers are all in their 70s and the oldest Gen Xers are hitting 60. Eventually they will die off. Telling someone in their late teens or early 20s that you have a new show coming but first they need to absorb 700 hours of tv and movies is just going to be met with a laugh.

It's just a thought and clearly I am in no position to make Star Trek what I want it to be.
 
It took about 2-3 months to make a TOS episode, with about 8 days of filming time. And yet they still managed 26-30 eps a season. The quest for syndication was crazy, man.

60s Doctor Who was even more insane, with episodes being filmed with the scenes in order, and generally with one take per scene, as if it were a stage play. Every Classic Who episode was filmed in like 75 minutes. This is why everyone flubs lines constantly in that show. And there were like 40 episodes a season, shit was a slave camp for the actors.
I saw this interview with Peter Davison where he’s talking about hearing Colin Baker on the radio right before he took over. Baker is talking like he’s about to reinvent television. And Davison's listening to this interview just muttering under his breath, "Yeah, you don't know what you're up against."

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They would film scenes that were basically live because there was only time for one take. At first he thought it was exciting. Like “oh this is like live television," there’s an energy to it. Then the episode airs and he’s watching it at home and he’s like… this looks like absolute dogshit. Why is this actor delivering the line while facing away from the camera? Why did the camera operator somehow miss my head? Just a close-up of the Doctor’s dong. 🎬
I never knew this, and it makes me appreciate the Tom Baker era all the more. British sci-fi TV had that 60's theatrical overacting thing well into the 80's, and it makes sense that was why.
I didn’t participate in the Capaldi love-fest but I’m glad we at least got one middle-aged Doctor before the show turned into, like, Hollyoaks.

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The Doctor should look weird. Tom Baker is like nine feet tall and his voice sounds like God's judgment. He’s also funny. But not Marvel quippy funny. Like he’s amused by something no human understands. The other Who actors tried to do the “ancient alien wisdom” thing and it just sounds like a Green Lantern fan explaining lore.
 
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I've thought for a while that maybe Star Trek needs to lie fallow for a while and then get a hard reboot with none of the 60 years of lore and baggage to tie it to the past. Just start with the basic concept of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, the Enterprise, and an episodic morality play each week and then moving on to the next adventure.

But I'm honestly not sure that's possible with the current environment of the studios, the writers, and what they both think the audience wants.
ngl if FlareTrek had gone to series after the first movie I think it could have worked out fine as they got used to playing off each other

Rom was clearly put into power by Ishka (Moogie) so that he would be an easy to control puppet for her to remain in power despite "retiring". It's pretty damn shortsighted of her putting a literal retard on the throne when she's gonna presumably die soon, but not at all inconsistent with how she was portrayed in the rest of the show.
"wellll brother! I think my horse would make a good senator!"
 
If SA was meant to appeal to the CW crowd, why didn't they spend any money marketing it towards them? None of the kids I know are watching this, the hardcore fans are disgusted by the whole thing, and I'm putting off episodes until the last possible second. Because damnit, I'm a completionist, and I will finish at least the first season, but telling me that the feelings are very deep and complex is not the same as the feelings actually being deep and complex.
 
Man, I love the DS9 speds episodes. I'm sure the nu-Trek audience hates them now because they weren't played by genuine tards now but they're fun. And how one was just "genetically engineered to be too horny"
 
Man, I love the DS9 speds episodes. I'm sure the nu-Trek audience hates them now because they weren't played by genuine tards now but they're fun. And how one was just "genetically engineered to be too horny"
The augments are hilarious because they’re totally unbearable. Imagine wanting to raise the next Khan Noonien Singh and instead he's just genetically engineered to annoy you.

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Lauren is splayed out on a chaise lounge in every scene. Like she got hit in the head and now she’s DTF 24/7.


She was amazing as Divatox, possibly more fun than Rita.
 
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Tried watching that from the first episode. Crew gets abducted, cavemen talk about "the fire", I lost interest.
I'd recommend starting from the 7th season, if you're interested at all. It's the first one in color, and its mostly a clean break from the earlier episodes. The 60s seasons, especially the first three, vary wildly in quality because they had no idea what the show was supposed to be, an educational program about ancient times or a sci-fi show with alien monsters. Or both at the same time. The 7th-11th seasons are basically Kung Fu Sherlock Holmes vs Aliens, and they're all pretty solid stories, nothing egregious like some of the black and white episodes could end up.

Man, I love the DS9 speds episodes.
The first one is pretty great. The second one if I remember rightly is mostly just another "Bashir has a specially challenged girlfriend" episode, like Melora and The Wire. Bashir, being an enhanced superman, naturally has a penchant for the disabled and confused due to his raging narcissism.
 
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