🌟 Internet Famous David Steel / LazerPig / Ricewynd / Malquistion - Pathological Liar, Reddit Historian, Femboy Thirster, and Vore Connoisseur

WelperHelper99 said:
With the ammo, I'd say it didn't help that we stuck with 90mm as long as we did, bottlenecked a lot of development programs
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The M60 had a 105, the big issue was that we went all-in on missile and HEAT development and just kind of drifted along on APCR long after the writing was on the wall. The reason the Soviets were so big on things like Textolite in their armor packages and that ERA1 doesn't work against kinetics? Because the USA was all in on HEAT and the Soviets knew this, so they developed armor packages that were optimized against HEAT while maintaining an acceptable level of protection against the APCR and early APDS of the day.

Why do the newer developed tanks like the T-80, T-90, T-14, etc. have spaced armor and ERA4 blocks that are designed to defeat long rod APFSDS? Because those were designed to defeat the new paradigm of Western, particularly American, tank ammunition which favors APFSDS.

ETA: By "ERA1" and "ERA4" I'm talking about Kontakt. Don't know why my brain forgot that it's called Kontakt while writing this.
 
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Sleazy Car Salesman said:
The M60 had a 105, the big issue was that we went all-in on missile and HEAT development and just kind of drifted along on APCR long after the writing was on the wall. The reason the Soviets were so big on things like Textolite in their armor packages and that ERA1 doesn't work against kinetics? Because the USA was all in on HEAT and the Soviets knew this, so they developed armor packages that were optimized against HEAT while maintaining an acceptable level of protection against the APCR and early APDS of the day.

Why do the newer developed tanks like the T-80, T-90, T-14, etc. have spaced armor and ERA4 blocks that are designed to defeat long rod APFSDS? Because those were designed to defeat the new paradigm of Western, particularly American, tank ammunition which favors APFSDS.

ETA: By "ERA1" and "ERA4" I'm talking about Kontakt. Don't know why my brain forgot that it's called Kontakt while writing this.
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I know the M60 has a 105, problem I see was for like 2 decades we focused on 90mm, plus the HEAT and missile development like you said, which was a mixed bag.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
problem I see was for like 2 decades we focused on 90mm
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The 90mm at least makes sense just from a logistics and manufacturing standpoint, even if it was a serious misstep. It's the missiles that really chap my ass because the Brits and the Soviets had already figured it out for us and we just refused to listen. Missiles were not the future, at least not the way we were trying to do them at the time.

LOSAT is fucking cool though.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Of course the RISE package does give you IR capabilities which is a game changer.
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RISE was mostly a reliability upgrade for the M60A1, lot of electrical and automotive changes and such. RISE Passive gave the M60A1 night sights that worked without an IR lamp (of course with less effective results)

But what you're thinking of is the M60A3 TTS. Which was introduced in 1979. Which gave it thermals. Which is significant. But way later.
 
I like to imagine that the people in this thread arguing about tank specs are actually using their personal experience driving around and firing their personal tanks in their backyards as frames of reference for why one is better or why they know the hardware better than people who used them in combat.
 
Computer God Autism said:
I like to imagine that the people in this thread arguing about tank specs are actually using their personal experience driving around and firing their personal tanks in their backyards as frames of reference for why one is better or why they know the hardware better than people who used them in combat.
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Oh don't be a sourpuss.
 
Computer God Autism said:
I like to imagine that the people in this thread arguing about tank specs are actually using their personal experience driving around and firing their personal tanks in their backyards as frames of reference for why one is better or why they know the hardware better than people who used them in combat.
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If only the government would let me have a fully armed M1 Abrams...
 
WelperHelper99 said:
If only the government would let me have a fully armed M1 Abrams...
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Computer God Autism said:
I like to imagine that the people in this thread arguing about tank specs are actually using their personal experience driving around and firing their personal tanks in their backyards as frames of reference for why one is better or why they know the hardware better than people who used them in combat.
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And they're still likely better informed on average than lazerpig
 
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Most people deserve to be shot, in all honesty. I cannot imagine making such snide, retarded comments for social good boy points. Also fairly certain Digi is bullshitting because someone posted his doxx a while back and he was living in the PNW. Also he seems to be home fairly frequently (he's probably doing a short deployment on an amphibious carrier tbh, he seems too stupid for the navy, smart enough for the marines type deal).

Also does anyone have a TLDW? I cannot be arsed to sit around for an hour listening to a woman-hating faggot drunk talking about something that can be summarised in roughly 20 minutes. Have this funny tweet though.

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Gonna put pigger on the second monitor while I play this line up in War Thunder, the superior tank combat game that pigger wont let himself enjoy because russia bad.

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who dare wins? said:
Also does anyone have a TLDW? I cannot be arsed to sit around for an hour listening to a woman-hating faggot drunk talking about something that can be summarised in roughly 20 minutes. Have this funny tweet though.
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Lazerswine's video is just him rambling. There's actually extremely little of substance. 80% of the video is just him rambling about tankies and rambling about Soviet history that has zero to do with Soviet tanks. He brings up random shit like Soviet television sets and random Soviet history. The last 20% is him rambling about the T-62, and how it was somehow bad. His sourcing for this was of poor quality.

One funny mistake he made was him insisting that Soviet tanks did not have night vision while the West had it first. When the opposite is true. Soviets were early adopters of night sights with the T-54B. The first M60s did not have night sights until 1962. Leopard 1 also had night sights but those came later than either the M60 or T-62

My guess is that part 2 is about the T-72, but I expect more nonsensical rambling.
 
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