DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[AnOminous]

Hell...if they were smart, they could possibly get a hold of someone that worked on a game that Phil struggled on. How funny would it be to get a game tester to watch an LP done by Phil?

"We TRIED to make this idiot-proof! Holy fuck, who made THIS idiot???"

 

[doubledigitgendergap]

The few SoK vids I've watched always devolved into wankery and inside jokes, they don't even comment on Phil's abysmal commentary/gameplay most of the time.
I recognized a few of the voices from a channel called Adamant Ditto. It was kinda spergy but they had a few decent vids, but it seems like they just have waaaaay too much free time.
Kinda ironic in a way

 

[JamFlowMan]

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He gained a patron and lost money. I say this is a combo of some people pissed off he is shitting all over their "weeb" games so they lower their pledge and his huge ebeg-a-thon yesterday cleared out some fans savings. Another example of Phil not thinking long term. His fans are not rich and if they throw a lot of money on Twitch it may not be their anymore on Patreon but Phil will expect both.

Yesterday his fan basically rewarded his shitty attitude he has had since Leanna left and I bet every little thing will be blown into "super drama REEMERGENCY" mode to try to recreate the "love" and "support" that happened yesterday.

 

[Gordon Cole]

He gained a patron and lost money. I say this is a combo of some people pissed off he is shitting all over their "weeb" games so they lower their pledge and his huge ebeg-a-thon yesterday cleared out some fans savings. Another example of Phil not thinking long term. His fans are not rich and if they throw a lot of money on Twitch it may not be their anymore on Patreon but Phil will expect both.

Yesterday his fan basically rewarded his shitty attitude he has had since Leanna left and I bet every little thing will be blown into "super drama REEMERGENCY" mode to try to recreate the "love" and "support" that happened yesterday.

On one hand, Phil's bringing in dolla dolla bills yo by doing nothing but being a scrub and miliking children out of their parents' money. On the other hand, his entire livelihood is being propped up by panhandling and guilt tripping instead of actual work or merit. I don't know if I'm impressed or I wanna laugh at him.

 

[NobodyReally]

Is there any proof actual strikes occurred besides the videos in question being gone?

 

[BrunoMattei]

On one hand, Phil's bringing in dolla dolla bills yo by doing nothing but being a scrub and miliking children out of their parents' money. On the other hand, his entire livelihood is being propped up by panhandling and guilt tripping instead of actual work or merit. I don't know if I'm impressed or I wanna laugh at him.

The big question, at least for me, is how long can this panhandling on Twitch go on? Because eventually the money is going to slow to a trickle because he will piss off these autists giving him bits and donations.

I've said it before but I doubt he could continue just on Patreon and Twitch donations if YT goes away for him.

 

[Null]

In an ideal world I'd love if game developers started to issue strikes against all of these gaming streamers who think they do something special when they make money for sitting playing video games, so I have no issue with what Rockstar did, simply because it's funny alone.

No, I completely disagree. Commentary serves a completely different market than the original game. MS3K got in trouble but that's more because watching the movie is actually the market, and adding a movie + commentary truthfully infringes on the original purpose of that property. A video game is not just the footage of the game being played. To play the game is the market, and pirating games to play the game yourself without paying for the license to do so is infringement. Footage of a game being played with a personality talking over the game is a different market.

If you think I'm wrong, consider this: Would you rather play Dark Souls 3, or watch Phil play Dark Souls 3? It would probably take some amount of force to make you choose the latter. If you had the choice between the new Spiderman movie or watching Red Letter Media watch the Spiderman movie while making jokes about it, you might choose the latter over the first, because you get the same experience + probably something actually worthwhile.

 

[Ravana]

I've watched a few SOK things and they have a guy that sounds retarded/like Stimpy the Cat and that's annoying

 

[JustStopDude]

MS3K got in trouble but that's more because watching the movie is actually the market, and adding a movie + commentary truthfully infringes on the original purpose of that property.

MST3K got full permission a head of time for what they did. They paid for re-broadcast rights and they distribute back to the original IP holders the agreed upon amount for reusing their work.

MST3K later had issues re-releasing DVD's because the value of the original IP went up through their work. So unless they agreed to pay more, they could not re-release their work.

Or in the case for the episodes they did featuring Gamera and Godzilla as the original IP holders don't even want money as they feel MST3K hurts their brand. So they won't give them re-release rights.

Now an LPer would just say "Fuck them. I deserve money" and just release the content.

You are comparing content creators making transformative works in a responsible fashion, following the law of intellectual properties, and stunted adults that feel they should be allowed to market other's people's work as their own so that they don't have to get a real job to pay for their hobbies.

 

[Null]

Now an LPer would just say "Fuck them. I deserve money" and just release the content.

You are comparing content creators making transformative works in a responsible fashion, following the law of intellectual properties, and stunted adults that feel they should be allowed to market other's people's work as their own so that they don't have to get a real job to pay for their hobbies.

Except it is transformative for the reasons stated above. If you open a video game and leave it running and record what happens you will not see a playthrough. The actions and commentary provided by the player are their property and a company like Rockstar should not be allowed to own things you make. If Lego sells you a tub of legos and you put together a replica of the Titanic, and then Lego attempted to claim that they owned your sculpture, they would be wrong. They sold you the toys and what happens after you open the bucket of legos is your own work. Even if you're not making the Titanic and you're making a 3 brick abstract geometric shape, it's your work.

Just because Phil is a bad personality does not mean his derivative works are somehow less protected. Using IP to make a shitty parody is not any less protected than using IP to make a brilliant parody.

Sure, whatever, Lets Players are gross stinky weirdos who are not productive. I don't care. Your opinions are shit too. Advocating the destruction of derivative work laws that protect all of us and the stupid shit we do every day to spite one fat dumpy loser is seriously short-sighted and petty.

 

[BoingBoingBoi]

No, I completely disagree. Commentary serves a completely different market than the original game. MS3K got in trouble but that's more because watching the movie is actually the market, and adding a movie + commentary truthfully infringes on the original purpose of that property. A video game is not just the footage of the game being played. To play the game is the market, and pirating games to play the game yourself without paying for the license to do so is infringement. Footage of a game being played with a personality talking over the game is a different market.

If you think I'm wrong, consider this: Would you rather play Dark Souls 3, or watch Phil play Dark Souls 3? It would probably take some amount of force to make you choose the latter. If you had the choice between the new Spiderman movie or watching Red Letter Media watch the Spiderman movie while making jokes about it, you might choose the latter over the first, because you get the same experience + probably something actually worthwhile.

because they're just different forms of media, presumably not many people ask themselves "should i play this game myself or watch a lets player play it?" They're just different media. You're watching commentary from someone you (supposedly) like, on a piece of media that you're unfamiliar with. If any form of media criticism is legitimate as a career then let's plays should be. they're basically real-time game reviews from a personality you presumably like/trust.

So for example, if phil's criticisms of the games he plays---wonky controls, items hidden too well, enemy scaling too high, etc.---were actually legit and not just bitching and excuse-making, that could be valuable info, and presumably that would be reason to watch his let's plays, especially if that's what you're worried about if you're thinking of spending $50 on a new title.

the "lets players aren't doing anything special and just making money playing video games they did no work to create" meme is dumb and mostly comes off as jealousy. it's absolutely not the same thing as uploading an entire movie or tv show to your yt channel.

edit: in fact, i know of at least one case of a dev using let's plays to try and improve their later releases. Look at this promo for that new south park game where trey parker admits to using pewdiepie's reactions to the previous game to help develop the new one.

 

[PL 879]

Another potential way that DSP could continue playing Dark Souls 2: SOFTS as he is dead set on doing for the time being is to take a page from Lobos Jr. and go through the DLC using different builds.
It would force Phil out of his comfort zone of tanking enemies and therefore surely would produce blood-boiling rage. This would lead to more donations to him as his idiot fans feel sorry for him, and also we would be greatly entertained seeing him shake his fist indignantly to the heavens.

 

[JustStopDude]

If Lego sells you a tub of legos and you put together a replica of the Titanic, and then Lego attempted to claim that they owned your sculpture, they would be wrong.

This is a poor comparison in my opinion. In my opinion, it is akin to purchasing a Lego model, adding a few swear words in the instruction manual, and then selling it as your own work.

And yes, you will get sued by legos for using their IP not to their liking. Ask artist Ai Weiwei, journalist Maia Weinstock, and numerous others who have been sued by Lego. You picked a very bad example to use.

All of this goes away if an LPer stops monetizing videos containing other people's work.

The issue I think many people do not realize is that LP's represent a potentially very serious legal issue in China. China is the big growing market, with a rapidly increasing middle class. Already, it is very difficult to protect IP rights in China. Any action by a company that weakens their IP standing, no matter what region, could result in complications in further proprietary issues in China.

This has played out many times in the auto industry because complicated branding issues. This is the area I have much experience because I work for a Japan company but I do work all over. Numerous times i have had my work, including industrial coding, hardware design, etc stolen by both customers and partners within China.

Unless you have all your paperwork and legal standing in good, you will not win a case in China....and it does not matter how blatant the fraud.

Its a messy issue. Worrying about pissing off a tiny minority of the US gaming population is nothing compared to the legal concerns it could have in a market as large and cutthroat as China.

People like Phil believes the world revolves around them. The world is a much messier place than this. These companies are not going around to screw LPers. They are protecting their work and their property.

 

[Null]

Its a messy issue. Worrying about pissing off a tiny minority of the US gaming population is nothing compared to the legal concerns it could have in a market as large and cutthroat as China.

You could argue that but any time I see this happening I see it as a direct threat to me. If you're telling DSP he can't play video games and monetize the stream, you're telling me I can't do that, and I don't take kindly to people telling me what the fuck I can do.

 

[JustStopDude]

You can do whatever you want. You just cannot ignore the consequences of your actions because you do not like them.

Willful ignorance is not a legal argument.

 

[JamFlowMan]

Another potential way that DSP could continue playing Dark Souls 2: SOFTS as he is dead set on doing for the time being is to take a page from Lobos Jr. and go through the DLC using different builds.
It would force Phil out of his comfort zone of tanking enemies and therefore surely would produce blood-boiling rage. This would lead to more donations to him as his idiot fans feel sorry for him, and also we would be greatly entertained seeing him shake his fist indignantly to the heavens.

That is a good idea that would keep a playthrough the length of SOTFS from getting stagnate so people would continue to show up. That guarantees Dsp will shoot it down and insult the person for having the nerve to suggest anything of the sort.

Phil loves stagnate, boring, and predictable. He will power stance his way from the first enemy to the final boss and if you don't like it you are an unintelligent human who thinks the world is black and white and it's not. Ackackack get the fuck outta the chat.

 

[jukaboksi]

I would advise people to archive his vids, does BSV know of this thread? lolcows tend to be trigger happy with the delete button.

I have archived some of them.

 

[ZehnBoat]

This is a poor comparison in my opinion. In my opinion, it is akin to purchasing a Lego model, adding a few swear words in the instruction manual, and then selling it as your own work.

actually i have to side with null
you are given the ability to do whatever you want within the engine, just like you can build whatever you want with what bricks you have
editing the manual would like talking over the cutscenes and the like

 

[Bilderberg Team Builder]

New Twitlonger with some insane parts
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq0vhc

Phil responded to a Youtube email by threatening legal action and begging them to not shut down DSPGaming.

I responded explaining that this was serious legal matter, that they actually need to read the body of my e-mail before responding, and that they need to look into this impersonator who submitted the two false Rockstar Games copyright strikes. I also advised them that if a 7+ year running YouTube channel with hundreds of millions of views got shut down because of THEIR oversight, I would blow the issue up among the media (similar to what happened in early 2016) as well as seek legal recourse. Finally, I asked them to give special permissions to NOT have DSPGaming shut down until it was determined if the copyright strikes were legitimately from Rockstar Games or not.

Does Phil think he could actually win a legal case again Google.

 

[Cubanodun]

I was checking some videos about another lolcow that i discovered today (Cleveland blackmore and his almost 20 years project Grimoire, that is has been delayed more times that R60) and got this in the comments

I dont know if we have a thread about cleveland he is a super lolcow