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Also, hi Zachary. We're not off to a bad start. You're already triggered. Get used to it, because I'm far from done.
Professor WGA and Friends Guide to Science - How to counter the TransEthics, TransLifeLife and hack writers in the Rat King
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Wallace
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Here's another one for you.
The Online Disinhibition Effect
"What causes this online disinhibition? What is it about cyberspace that loosens the psychological barriers that block the release of these inner feelings and needs? Several factors are at play. For some people, one or two of them produces the lion's share of the disinhibition effect. In most cases, though, these factors interact with each other, supplement each other, resulting in a more complex, amplified effect."
The Online Disinhibition Effect
"What causes this online disinhibition? What is it about cyberspace that loosens the psychological barriers that block the release of these inner feelings and needs? Several factors are at play. For some people, one or two of them produces the lion's share of the disinhibition effect. In most cases, though, these factors interact with each other, supplement each other, resulting in a more complex, amplified effect."
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I've brought this up in previous threads, but in preparation for this article on Lolcow Wiki when the site first launched, I had to do a great deal of research. I knew from experience that medically-defined transpeople are absolutely a thing, and in 99.9% of cases are content to transition and then be left the fuck alone. This new wave of allegedly-transgendered people who shriek about "transmedicalists" and "truscum" and never shut the fuck up about their trans status, as a result, immediately set off warning bells for me. This is the exact behavior medically-diagnosed transpeople I had interviewed actively tried to avoid.
So I decided to look into it, and give them the benefit of the doubt. I thought to myself: "Surely, all these claims of being genderspecials is not the result of them all playing pretend, otherwise we are looking at the mass delusion of thousands of idiots and a movement that is genuinely destroying the ability to advocate for transpeople. There must be more to it." So I did the logical thing and for months (off and on when not working on said article) wound up repeatedly staring at allegedly peer-reviewed "studies" that allegedy proved the whole 57 genders thing, as well as the ones that claimed you didn't need to be dysphoric to be trans.
Every single one was fundamentally flawed on some basic level: Either having no control groups, the studies being backed by people who had a stake in the results showing that this gender insanity was normal, coming from a paper mill (read: publication that will claim anything is peer reviewed if you throw money at them), having improper sample sizes (One sample group consisted of 11 people), having peers review that were openly biased, improper citations, sources that didn't prove what they were claiming (and often the opposite), and in at least one case, the person behind the study self-peer reviewing.
Almost all of these reports were (and are) locked behind paywalls as well, requiring you to have a school's backing or pay about $10-50 per study (depending on the source), a common practice with studies done when those doing them have zero faith in their own statistics (Anita Sarkeesian's own cited studies, for example, are similarly paywalled and loaded with absolute nonsense).
I've periodically checked other studies that come down the pipe trying to establish the whole 57 genders thing and likewise the "you don't need dysphoric to be trans" angle. Not one has thus far passed muster and I am now entirely sure that both are entirely a load of bunk. If anyone else on the Farms wants to take a crack at these fucking things, feel free.
So I decided to look into it, and give them the benefit of the doubt. I thought to myself: "Surely, all these claims of being genderspecials is not the result of them all playing pretend, otherwise we are looking at the mass delusion of thousands of idiots and a movement that is genuinely destroying the ability to advocate for transpeople. There must be more to it." So I did the logical thing and for months (off and on when not working on said article) wound up repeatedly staring at allegedly peer-reviewed "studies" that allegedy proved the whole 57 genders thing, as well as the ones that claimed you didn't need to be dysphoric to be trans.
Every single one was fundamentally flawed on some basic level: Either having no control groups, the studies being backed by people who had a stake in the results showing that this gender insanity was normal, coming from a paper mill (read: publication that will claim anything is peer reviewed if you throw money at them), having improper sample sizes (One sample group consisted of 11 people), having peers review that were openly biased, improper citations, sources that didn't prove what they were claiming (and often the opposite), and in at least one case, the person behind the study self-peer reviewing.
Almost all of these reports were (and are) locked behind paywalls as well, requiring you to have a school's backing or pay about $10-50 per study (depending on the source), a common practice with studies done when those doing them have zero faith in their own statistics (Anita Sarkeesian's own cited studies, for example, are similarly paywalled and loaded with absolute nonsense).
I've periodically checked other studies that come down the pipe trying to establish the whole 57 genders thing and likewise the "you don't need dysphoric to be trans" angle. Not one has thus far passed muster and I am now entirely sure that both are entirely a load of bunk. If anyone else on the Farms wants to take a crack at these fucking things, feel free.
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@Jaimas, I agree on the paywall stuff. It's why I use the resources I have via ResearchGate and other academic portals.
The paywall stuff is bunk, at best. And at worst, psuedoscience. I think we grab what we can overall, dissect it, and see what the hell is actually feasible.
And honestly, what does it for me, overall, is the fact that the Rat King dismisses everything without using the fine tooth comb that you do. And you also bring up a point...
A lot of the research does seem to be "control for brief period and release" and repeat. Which does seem like sloppy work. So is what the Rat Kingers are doing, as well. Spreading feels as actual facts and science.
So, where do we all find middle ground?
The paywall stuff is bunk, at best. And at worst, psuedoscience. I think we grab what we can overall, dissect it, and see what the hell is actually feasible.
And honestly, what does it for me, overall, is the fact that the Rat King dismisses everything without using the fine tooth comb that you do. And you also bring up a point...
A lot of the research does seem to be "control for brief period and release" and repeat. Which does seem like sloppy work. So is what the Rat Kingers are doing, as well. Spreading feels as actual facts and science.
So, where do we all find middle ground?
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@WeaponsGradeAutism did you get a chance to archive the Dr. Kenneth Zucker stuff, and trans activists leaning on his clinic until he was fired and it was closed?
Here's a bit more on that fiasco. Emboldended by their ability to get a long standing and respected child gender dysphoria researcher fired and his work disgraced, the troon crew next set its sights on a upcoming conference of academics. Dr. Zucker was due to speak there, but the troons shrieked until he was disinvited, then decided to speak over every academic at the conference because cis people just need to sit down and listen. The doctors who help them, and have studied gender dysphoria for decades, they don't know shit according to the troons. Any doctor who fails to meet the troon crew's demands is ostricized and their research denigrated.
Here is the very well researched NY Magazine article on the downfall of Dr. Zucker's extremely well respected child gender clinic. His crime? Observing over 20 years of research that if you're just chill around kids who express gender nonconformity and don't immediately box them into one gender stereotype or another, 80-90% of them end up comfortable in their birth gender. For this research, troons accused him of running a "gay conversion therapy" or " trans deprogramming" outfit, the likes of those found in Jesus Camps, rather than an actual doctor doing research - not interfering, research - for decades.
There's apparently a BBC documentary about the troons' need to destroy all science behind gender dysphoria to have a field of "science" that's nothing but their views. Here's an article about the documentary.
If anyone can find a copy of the BBC documentary "Transgender Kids: Who knows Best?" I would be deeply grateful.
Here's a bit more on that fiasco. Emboldended by their ability to get a long standing and respected child gender dysphoria researcher fired and his work disgraced, the troon crew next set its sights on a upcoming conference of academics. Dr. Zucker was due to speak there, but the troons shrieked until he was disinvited, then decided to speak over every academic at the conference because cis people just need to sit down and listen. The doctors who help them, and have studied gender dysphoria for decades, they don't know shit according to the troons. Any doctor who fails to meet the troon crew's demands is ostricized and their research denigrated.
Here is the very well researched NY Magazine article on the downfall of Dr. Zucker's extremely well respected child gender clinic. His crime? Observing over 20 years of research that if you're just chill around kids who express gender nonconformity and don't immediately box them into one gender stereotype or another, 80-90% of them end up comfortable in their birth gender. For this research, troons accused him of running a "gay conversion therapy" or " trans deprogramming" outfit, the likes of those found in Jesus Camps, rather than an actual doctor doing research - not interfering, research - for decades.
There's apparently a BBC documentary about the troons' need to destroy all science behind gender dysphoria to have a field of "science" that's nothing but their views. Here's an article about the documentary.
If anyone can find a copy of the BBC documentary "Transgender Kids: Who knows Best?" I would be deeply grateful.
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I can't add this as a quote to the above, but I'm sure a moderator can merge them. This is from a post I made earlier, in continuation of the issues with Dr. Zucker's clinical "wait and see" model:
Troons refuse to believe in the "wait and see" model of child gender issues, and instead insist on the "listen and act" or "gender affirmative" model... despite there being no clinical support that "gender affirmative" is the clinically correct one. Troons like to continuously scream that if you don't listen to them and just affirm a child's gender in the moment and allow them to transition asap, you're killing trans children via the terrible suicide rate. Except wait, a long term study of trans suicide rates post transition surgery shows that the suicide rate goes UP:
So the only clinic that was still doing actual research into child dysphoria was closed down by a baying pack of troons hell bent on transitioning any and all kids with gender dysphoria despite that being dangerous and hasty according to experts, who protested the closing of this research and treatment facility but couldn't stand up to the tide of angry troons.
Troons refuse to believe in the "wait and see" model of child gender issues, and instead insist on the "listen and act" or "gender affirmative" model... despite there being no clinical support that "gender affirmative" is the clinically correct one. Troons like to continuously scream that if you don't listen to them and just affirm a child's gender in the moment and allow them to transition asap, you're killing trans children via the terrible suicide rate. Except wait, a long term study of trans suicide rates post transition surgery shows that the suicide rate goes UP:
So the only clinic that was still doing actual research into child dysphoria was closed down by a baying pack of troons hell bent on transitioning any and all kids with gender dysphoria despite that being dangerous and hasty according to experts, who protested the closing of this research and treatment facility but couldn't stand up to the tide of angry troons.
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Another thing to add. Any of the 32 gender flavor papers seem to come from diploma mill or liberalized places of academic learning. And I don't mean politics. I mean actual "accredited" places that give a pass to students for a quota diploma.
Something to keep in mind when you research those papers, folks. Blanchard and Zucker have degrees and continuing education from the US and Canada.
And @multiverse, Dr. Zucker's stuff is safe at ResearchGate. And Zachary and his troon (Transtrender Loon, Zachary. That's a freebie. It'll be a dollar per word next time.) cant do shit about it staying around. ResearchGate is a peer review for academics, doctors and legit reporters.
And last I checked... Zachary is NONE of those.
Something to keep in mind when you research those papers, folks. Blanchard and Zucker have degrees and continuing education from the US and Canada.
And @multiverse, Dr. Zucker's stuff is safe at ResearchGate. And Zachary and his troon (Transtrender Loon, Zachary. That's a freebie. It'll be a dollar per word next time.) cant do shit about it staying around. ResearchGate is a peer review for academics, doctors and legit reporters.
And last I checked... Zachary is NONE of those.
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We really need to get together with a real therapist or psychotherapist to develop techniques that will help to counter the malignant, male narcissism that is so pervasive among these disgusting men.
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Agreed. I'm putting feelers out to any of the folks in the community to do so. Maybe the others who frequent here could do the same.
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Could you elaborate on what you mean by "counter"? If your intent is to use data against them, I don't think it's going to work. Reason don't work well against feelings.
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I would say, to find one of their weak spots and exploit it through psychology.
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Good luck with that. I truly mean it. Troony folk don't tend to change their minds on anything unless it's convenient for the current sjw mindset.
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The weak spot of any narcissist is going to be either SHAME, or LACK OF ATTENTION.
Narcissists cannot manage feelings of shame. An insult to them that strikes home causes overwhelming feelings of shame and self-hate, causing them to lash out. This is the one time they can't control their behavior for "the audience", and will show their true colors. You can find plenty of research into narcissistic rage/shame response in the literature. The problem is that this trigger will vary, it'll be unique to each person.
Lack of attention or response is also a trigger but it's impossible to do with the ones that have amassed a following of people who don't know them well, since they are adept at dropping old friends and grabbing new ones. Narcissists are very facile and superficially charming, and for a little while they can convince almost anyone to give a little attention and build up their ego.
Narcissists cannot manage feelings of shame. An insult to them that strikes home causes overwhelming feelings of shame and self-hate, causing them to lash out. This is the one time they can't control their behavior for "the audience", and will show their true colors. You can find plenty of research into narcissistic rage/shame response in the literature. The problem is that this trigger will vary, it'll be unique to each person.
Lack of attention or response is also a trigger but it's impossible to do with the ones that have amassed a following of people who don't know them well, since they are adept at dropping old friends and grabbing new ones. Narcissists are very facile and superficially charming, and for a little while they can convince almost anyone to give a little attention and build up their ego.
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It's also how the troons got a foothold in feminist and academic circles. Out of confused politeness, when those groups were confronted about troons not leading abortion marches or research groups, they were told, "well of course your voice matters and we will be supportive, but [insert "you are not a doctor" | "this march isn't about trans rights today" | whatever]..." and that single attention foothold is what dismantled female spaces and academia on gender dysphoria.
The only way to NOT give them that attention is to tell them no, in this case, your voice doesn't matter and isn't welcome. And then ignore the resulting, noisy, strop. But when they have big social media followings, then they sicc them on you for being The Worst Person Of All Time™ (or branded a TERF, which they've made into a powerful social weapon) and will do everything in their power to ruin you personally and professionally. THAT is the problem to get around, taking that particular power to ruin lives away. Without that they'd just be crazies on the street corner begging for change.
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If any other brain can grab some notes about the following.
- Narcissistic behavior
- Social behavior
- Homosexuality
- Crossdressing
- The "Sissy" Phenomenon
- Internet Culture
- Call-out Culture
- Child maturity, especially relationship in between male and female
- Age of consent research
- The correlation of autism and Transtrender or Transgender
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And to start with number 8.
http://www.apa.org/education/k12/brain-function.aspx
Why is brain maturation important? Because no reasonable scientific study is going to say a 5 year old boy knows he wants to be a girl. Hence why Zucker and Blanchard used "wait and see."
http://www.apa.org/education/k12/brain-function.aspx
Children learn in different ways. And although the maturity of the brain is an important factor when it comes to learning differences, the real story is more complicated than that. The way children learn depends on age, level of development and brain maturity. Learning differences are also related to genetics, temperament and environment, but in this module we will focus on how and when the brain matures.
Why is brain maturation important? Because no reasonable scientific study is going to say a 5 year old boy knows he wants to be a girl. Hence why Zucker and Blanchard used "wait and see."
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Yeah, at 5 I would never have been sure about myself. I was never sure about needing to transition until puberty started. That's just a personal anecdote, though it definitely works in the "wait and see" framework.
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I have to agree with this 100%. Most people I know didn't experience severe dysphoria until after secondary sex characteristics (breasts, facial hair, and the like) started developing. In many cases it seems you can look back and say "oh well now these weird things from my childhood make sense" but until you live as an adult (or post puberty at least) as your birth sex you really have no chance to know whether or not it's right.
S' just what I think, though. Sorry for the rant.
S' just what I think, though. Sorry for the rant.
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For everyone who claims that "trans the gay away" is not a thing and that the increasing of child gender clinics is a pure coincidence.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ntation_A_Longitudinal_Population-Based_Study
a study of nearly 5000 adolescents in Developmental Psychology, on the topic of gender nonconforming behavior in childhood and its correlation with adolescent homosexuality
https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/34926/1/Singh_Devita_201211_PhD_Thesis.pdf
A Follow-Up study of 139 Boys With Gender Identity Disorder
More studies/research here (not right wing/christian sites):
https://www.transgendertrend.com/
https://4thwavenow.com/
https://youthtranscriticalprofessionals.org/
These are people who criticize the increasing transing of children and the use of dangerous drugs like gnrh agonists to prevent puberty.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ntation_A_Longitudinal_Population-Based_Study
a study of nearly 5000 adolescents in Developmental Psychology, on the topic of gender nonconforming behavior in childhood and its correlation with adolescent homosexuality
https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/34926/1/Singh_Devita_201211_PhD_Thesis.pdf
A Follow-Up study of 139 Boys With Gender Identity Disorder
More studies/research here (not right wing/christian sites):
https://www.transgendertrend.com/
https://4thwavenow.com/
https://youthtranscriticalprofessionals.org/
These are people who criticize the increasing transing of children and the use of dangerous drugs like gnrh agonists to prevent puberty.
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There's a couple of accounts in the above links that describe the current explosion of transtrenders as a reaction to hypersexualized teenage culture, and I think this may be the case for many people.
Here's another paper for the library: Moral outrage alleviates guilt and buffers threats to one’s moral identity, and here's a summary of the major points in plain English.
Here's another paper for the library: Moral outrage alleviates guilt and buffers threats to one’s moral identity, and here's a summary of the major points in plain English.
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