🌟 Internet Famous Vivienne Medrano / VivziePop / NozzArts / @VizzieBizzie / xZoOPhobiAx / VivMind / Spindlehorse Studios - Bisexual Fujoshi Now Turned Asexual ; Criticism Denier ; Ruined Her Friendships Over Criticism ; Shotacon ; Nepo Baby ; Female Andrew Dobson ; Drove A Former Friend to Suicide Over Art Theft ; Verdict Is Still In, And No One Wants To Have Sex With Her

I'm not going to make a post on every screenshot like I usually do; I'm just going to make a generalized post about everything. Viv is so thin-skinned, it's really an impressive feat that she made it into the big leagues. At this point, she has beaten Thomas Astruc. I can not comprehend how she is able to keep repeating the same damn things over and over again. At some point, most people would realize that this petty bullshit is not worth spending their time over. But she keeps pushing forward, like it's going to change anything. And this is just further proof that she spends her time looking for critique made about shows, or drama that happens in her fanbase. She just happens to make a post after a video dropped about how Helluva Boss is bad compared to Bojack Horsman, saying that she never has compared the two shows. Though she has specifically said before that Helluva Boss is Bojack Horseman if it was a gay musical. And also her saying she doesn't care that a person talked about her blocking them. Don't lie, Viv. You clearly care cause you wouldn't have made a post mentioning this.

I don't know...maybe she's extra bitchy now because of the whole court case about labor issues made towards her company now that they're unionized.

I have to circle back to one of my own comments about how Vaggie tells her future (?) wife Charlie to IGNORE Vox's smear campaign (the latter being arguably way worse than the vanilla criticism/remarks VivziePop is getting).

It's not bad advice, especially when coupled with Rosie's "deeds speak louder than words". Ignore, show that you are the better woman/treat people well, it will eventually be noticed and remembered by most people.

While I am not too invested in her being a dramacow I hope she will find her own Vaggie to give her some advice that will be harder for her to ignore.

And: how the hell is Helluvaboss a "gay Bojack musical"?



Now that I think about it I believe that Vivziepop's terrible handling of criticism is hiding the ways she is mistreating her employees because I've noticed when people are talking about how they hate Vivziepop as a person on social media platforms outside of Kiwi Farms, they usually talk about her poor handling of criticism and the contents of her shows and very rarely do people bring up the ways she treats her employees. Almost like Vivziepop's terrible handling of criticism is overshadowing all of the terrible stuff she has actually done.

That reminds me how Ellen DeGeneres turned out to be helluva toxic boss. Now you got me curious-could you point me to such social media posts?
 
Can we just stop including Viv as part of indie animation anymore? Both of her shows get Amazon money now. That doesn't sound very indie to me
I don't really know why you had to post this Amir. Genuinely nobody cares about this random ass shit, and you're only getting noticed because you voice a tumblr sexyman. You are pretty much irrelevant everywhere else.
I mean I think Helluva Boss lacks maturity and depth because 90% of the time it just swears and terrible sex jokes. And that's okay. Shows like that can exist. But don't start saying that shit is deep. It's very easy to understand.

And nobody is claiming that the villains in Helluva need to be "punished". Most people complaints is that the majority of the villains are incompetent, don't have a clear motive, and are dumbed down as the series go on so are heroes can always win. And that's not entertaining to watch.

And most adults don't want to be directly told why a character does something at point blank. We like a bit of subtly to our media and come to our own conclusions. It's not my fault that you're either too lazy to write that way, or that you think the audience is too dumb to understand what you're trying to say.

And miscommunication is fine sometimes, but when it's the problem to almost every conflict in a show, it gets to be annoying.
Is Lauren Faust queer? She's been married to Craig McCracken since 2004 (and I know that she could still be bi), but I don't recall her ever mentioning that she was part of the queer community. And I also don't really remember many people throwing dirt at her or the shows she worked on either.

But, because this is common thing that is thrown around by these fans: Seth McFarlane; Butch Hartman; Dan Harmon; Thomas Astruc. All these cis straight white men have been shit on about their projects and themselves. And we all know there are plenty of more. I'm sure there's a few people out there that just hate queer and/or women, and so will just trash them for that sole reason alone. But the majority of people don't really care what or who you are. They just care about the product. And if they don't like it, they will talk about it.
I think there's a bunch of shows that do stuff better than Hazbin or Helluva, and woulf probably recommended them to people before Hazbin or Helluva.
 
Sorry for the double post, but I didn't realize how little subscribers this guy has that Viv and her fans are shitting on. Even now he only has 194 subscribers. The also currently 18,000 views, and I bet almost everyone of these people in the screenshot didn't even watch the video and get it a fair take.

Edit: Watching the video and the guy at the beginning says he's not going to talk to talk about Viv and even said he felt sorry for her with how many videos that dogpile on her. He just wants to express his opinion about the shows, but that is apparently a crime in Viv's eyes. And makes her a liar because the guy wasn't even "tearing down her for her favorite show".
 
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She clearly is afraid of having people possibly hating her favorite characters.
I call that fighting your own story. The set up has a specific place that the story wants to go. This would be like, totally random thought, making the main villain of a story the father of one of the main heroes. Obviously these two need to duke it out, because why else would you set it up this way? However Writers/creators will sometimes fight it because they want to be subversive to a crippling degree, so they will fight against the story. See Miraculous for several examples. Viv has set ups with very obvious implications, however she’s fighting it tooth and nail because she love herself some toxic yaoi and fans will twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify her main characters.
Sorry for the double post, but I didn't realize how little subscribers this guy has that Viv and her fans are shitting on. Even now he only has 194 subscribers. The also currently 18,000 views, and I bet almost everyone of these people in the screenshot didn't even watch the video and get it a fair take.
When dealing with a cult, any form of descent is blasphemy and needs to be stamped out. It’s not about this guy, it’s about making sure someone bigger doesn’t do it.
 
When dealing with a cult, any form of descent is blasphemy and needs to be stamped out. It’s not about this guy, it’s about making sure someone bigger doesn’t do it.
And it’s easier (on paper) make an example of him because he’s a smaller guy.

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I call that fighting your own story. The set up has a specific place that the story wants to go. This would be like, totally random thought, making the main villain of a story the father of one of the main heroes. Obviously these two need to duke it out, because why else would you set it up this way? However Writers/creators will sometimes fight it because they want to be subversive to a crippling degree, so they will fight against the story. See Miraculous for several examples. Viv has set ups with very obvious implications, however she’s fighting it tooth and nail because she love herself some toxic yaoi and fans will twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify her main characters.
There's a lot of subtext about systems/institutions that both Hazbin and Helluva just refuse to talk about. A bureaucratic Heaven, a princess of Hell that wants to "affect positive change," and a caste system all have legitimate implications. And they're rarely, if ever, explored. Neither Heaven nor the princess knew what redemption was, the princess has no "institutional literacy," and the caste system only matters once in a blue moon. Hazbin in particular acts like it's always an Adam or a Sera or a V, when sometimes systems themselves are the problem.

Exploring redemption though characters themselves, through personal agency, is all well and good. But even then there's barely any impact because they rarely emphasize personal responsibility. The very foundation of redemption. And when there's no responsibility, there's no agency. There's no reason to actually care about these characters. Vox's grand conspiracy ended with a whisper, and the other Vs just get a knowing look as they help the heroes through the power of self-preservation friendship. Charlie will get her way even though she sucks. Things fall onto her lap because she's the protagonist. Vaggie has a character on paper, but it's rarely acknowledged and might as well not exist. We all know Angel Dust is going to come back, and no one gives a fuck about Alastor because we know he's going to lose. He'll job. He's a fucking joke.

And again, most sinners don't care about redemption in the first place. Why would they? They can just wallow in themselves, do scummy hedonistic things, and kill each other ad nauseum. They can respawn save for angel weapons. And even if they don't become one with Hell and enter perma-spectate mode, they have little to live for, and little waiting for them in Heaven. They're satisfied down there and, should they find out, don't want to live in Weenie Hut Jr's. It really does raise the question of: if the characters themselves don't care, why should I? I can see Viv having redeemed sinners make Heaven spicy, but that's kind of contrived. It will amount to "we'll make it a rave party with cool drugs and alcohol and it's going to be awesome!" We'll just add black lines and it'd look so much better! She won't address Heaven's issues, or Hell's, so they might as well not exist either.

When you put systems in a show, bake them into your premise, and do little with them, that is a massive oversight. It makes Angel's therapy sessions or Sera's feelings of guilt less compelling, not more, because the show would rather have songs and drama than actually explore them. Those things hurt the characters and their agency too, since they're not "interrogated" as much as they should. They go through the motions over and over. It all just bleeds with Viv's tendency to ignore context, second/third-order effects, and, well, how harm works. Because all she took from Bojack was ~hurt people~ trauma dumping and feeling sorry for themselves, none of the personal responsibility theming. Something Hazbin is begging for. Whether you think it's Viv being completely sheltered and coasting on systems her whole life, her not wanting people to hate her characters, ADHD, or just incompetence, it's a specific kind of fighting your story. She came up with something that's completely antithetical to her worldview by accident, and sunk cost fallacy means she'll keep mashing her dolls together without cleaning up the dollhouse.
 
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Hazbin in particular acts like it's always an Adam or a Sera or a V, when sometimes systems themselves are the problem.
The fact that the only people in Heaven that knew about the exterminations was Sera and the exorcists will always be one of the dumbest plot points. I understand the Winners not knowing, but why none of the heavenborn? Why was Sera the only deciding factor in this? Where were the angels that damned Lucifer to Hell? What about the angels that helped Sera put up the portal around Heaven? These angels seem pretty powerful but they didn't know? Why can't we have the seven virtues that contrast with the seven sins that rule over Heaven, with their reasons for why they called on the exterminations in the first place? Why is Heaven so much more incompetent than Hell of all places?

Heaven is explored more in season 2, but we still learn barely anything about it. They rather spend time with pointless shit like shoehorning Abel in which kind of messes up what was established last season and give him a character arc that comes out of nowhere. Let's have the Speaker of God randomly show up, do and say some vague shit, and then fuck off for the rest season. Lute gets a banger song that establishes she has officially snapped and is going to kill every person in Hell, only for her to do nothing with that. But no, you have to understand, we had to get these singers to sing at least one song this season. Otherwise, why would we have hired them in the first place? We're the musical show, and we have music videos foremost, and we write the story around those music videos as best as we can. Please buy our overpriced merch!
 
Lute gets a banger song that establishes she has officially snapped and is going to kill every person in Hell
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only for her to do nothing with that
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Is Lauren Faust queer? She's been married to Craig McCracken since 2004 (and I know that she could still be bi), but I don't recall her ever mentioning that she was part of the queer community. And I also don't really remember many people throwing dirt at her or the shows she worked on either.
Are they supposedly just mentioning Faust simply because she did the My Little Pony: FiM show and the whole autism cringe zeitgeist it generated in the form of bronies, even though everyone not terminally autistic could basically understand it was an inoffensive kid's show at the end of the day (though they definitely incorporated nods to the fandom)?
 
The fact that the only people in Heaven that knew about the exterminations was Sera and the exorcists will always be one of the dumbest plot points. I understand the Winners not knowing, but why none of the heavenborn? Why was Sera the only deciding factor in this? Where were the angels that damned Lucifer to Hell? What about the angels that helped Sera put up the portal around Heaven? These angels seem pretty powerful but they didn't know? Why can't we have the seven virtues that contrast with the seven sins that rule over Heaven, with their reasons for why they called on the exterminations in the first place? Why is Heaven so much more incompetent than Hell of all places?

Heaven is explored more in season 2, but we still learn barely anything about it. They rather spend time with pointless shit like shoehorning Abel in which kind of messes up what was established last season and give him a character arc that comes out of nowhere. Let's have the Speaker of God randomly show up, do and say some vague shit, and then fuck off for the rest season. Lute gets a banger song that establishes she has officially snapped and is going to kill every person in Hell, only for her to do nothing with that. But no, you have to understand, we had to get these singers to sing at least one song this season. Otherwise, why would we have hired them in the first place? We're the musical show, and we have music videos foremost, and we write the story around those music videos as best as we can. Please buy our overpriced merch!

My brother in Christ, this!

I think they care way too much about muh Broadwayesque songs, cuz we're an adult animation musical instead of...oh, what was it? A coherent,deep story?

Quote: we had to get these singers to sing at least one.....

I wonder how much overpaid they are, does anyone know? Personally I would rather try to get newcomers. For once -they are cheaper AND you are helping them with getting their careers started in a competetive job market.

It makes me sad as there are a lot of good philosophical/teological ideas/questions the show Has/could potentially explore but who cares right? Because

NEW VOX MERCH JUST DROPPED. And some autists are seriously discussing if Vivzie is a nazi as some of his hair at the back of his head looks like the SS runes....

I also think there should be less songs, twice as many episodes, no fillers, a focus on world- building & story etc. but whatever.
 
I still believe that Amazon/etc. narrowed the episode count to save budget. Keeping the original actors would’ve saved some cash and opened up more screen time, but nope. Broadway is so much more important. There are ~valid artistic reasons~ to have songs that ultimately do nothing.
 
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I wonder how much overpaid they are, does anyone know? Personally I would rather try to get newcomers. For once -they are cheaper AND you are helping them with getting their careers started in a competetive job market.
I mean, that's what she did; for the pilot. I get it that probably a lot of the VAs couldn't exactly sing in (even though some of them did sing as their characters in fan music videos and did fine), but you don't have to have every character sing. Or have two songs in every episodes. Or do something like they did with the Rock in Moana. He's not a singer but people liked You're Welcome. Hell, just have Charlie sing because she's supposed to be like a Disney Princess and have everyone else look at her strange when she breaks out into song.
Keeping the original actors would’ve saved some cash and opened up more screen time, but nope. Broadway is so much more important.
But ultimately Viv wanted her Broadway musical animated series and she wanted her Broadway musical actors. But even then she still doesn't utilize them that well. You get Liz Calloway, but only have her in one episode for like 5 minutes and half of that time is for a song that is kind of short anyway. Is she that expensive? Maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll see more of the Speaker of God in the next season, but Lilith is also coming next season and I bet they're using a lot of their budget to get who ever is going to voice act her.
 
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Lute gets a banger song that establishes she has officially snapped and is going to kill every person in Hell, only for her to do nothing with that.
I've seen Vivziepop and her fans defend this by saying,"Oh lute is going to do something later in the show" which I find a stupid defensive argument as the show still got the viewer's hopes up that she would do something at the end of the season and never gave us any hints that this buildup is for a future season until the very end of the season 2 finale which got the viewer's hopes up for no reason. Even Logan Thirtyacre is better at handling his female characters than this
 
I have to circle back to one of my own comments about how Vaggie tells her future (?) wife Charlie to IGNORE Vox's smear campaign (the latter being arguably way worse than the vanilla criticism/remarks VivziePop is getting).

It's not bad advice, especially when coupled with Rosie's "deeds speak louder than words". Ignore, show that you are the better woman/treat people well, it will eventually be noticed and remembered by most people.
But how else will Viv own the chuds?
That reminds me how Ellen DeGeneres turned out to be helluva toxic boss.
And also got as far as she did thanks to her contribution to LGBTQ representation.
Sorry for the double post, but I didn't realize how little subscribers this guy has that Viv and her fans are shitting on. Even now he only has 194 subscribers. The also currently 18,000 views, and I bet almost everyone of these people in the screenshot didn't even watch the video and get it a fair take.

Edit: Watching the video and the guy at the beginning says he's not going to talk to talk about Viv and even said he felt sorry for her with how many videos that dogpile on her. He just wants to express his opinion about the shows, but that is apparently a crime in Viv's eyes. And makes her a liar because the guy wasn't even "tearing down her for her favorite show".
Well that's what he gets for not thinking "Fuck shit tits ass" is award-winning writing.
 
I mean, that's what she did; for the pilot. I get it that probably a lot of the VAs couldn't exactly sing in (even though some of them did sing as their characters in fan music videos and did fine), but you don't have to have every character sing. Or have two songs in every episodes. Or do something like they did with the Rock in Moana. He's not a singer but people liked You're Welcome. Hell, just have Charlie sing because she's supposed to be like a Disney Princess and have everyone else look at her strange when she breaks out into song.

But ultimately Viv wanted her Broadway musical animated series and she wanted her Broadway musical actors. But even then she still doesn't utilize them that well. You get Liz Calloway, but only have her in one episode for like 5 minutes and half of that time is for a song that is kind of short anyway. Is she that expensive? Maybe I'll be proven wrong and we'll see more of the Speaker of God in the next season, but Lilith is also coming next season and I bet they're using a lot of their budget to get who ever is going to voice act her.
Personally I could not name even one single broadway singer. Who the hell is Liz Calloway?

I did some casual listening to some songs in different languages and have to say that I really like i.e the Polish fan(!!!) versions.

Like Gravity: https://youtu.be/ouq1iCCddK0?si=x32ywbHOeqz5U4zn

Or Sera's confession in Dutch

These people are far from being Broadway stars, still, amazing job. I love their passion.

My point- why not be a pseudo-Indie production forgoing Broadway in favour of complete newcomers? There is so much more talent out there, why privilege people from families that basically had the means to send them to the right ridiculously expensive private liberal arts colleges?
 
My point- why not be a pseudo-Indie production forgoing Broadway in favour of complete newcomers? There is so much more talent out there, why privilege people from families that basically had the means to send them to the right ridiculously expensive private liberal arts colleges?
See, when the cast was officially announced, the staff constantly gush on about how Blake Roman, Angel Dust's VA, was this newcomer with zero credits to his name...

...so unless he was an extremely late addition to Western Energy, that claim was utter bullshit, since the episode came out before he was casted, given they said Joel Perez worked on Helluva Boss before getting casted as Valentino, whom they had difficulty finding an actor for.
 
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I've seen Vivziepop and her fans defend this by saying,"Oh lute is going to do something later in the show" which I find a stupid defensive argument as the show still got the viewer's hopes up that she would do something at the end of the season and never gave us any hints that this buildup is for a future season until the very end of the season 2 finale which got the viewer's hopes up for no reason. Even Logan Thirtyacre is better at handling his female characters than this
Well she was supposed to do something in season 2. So was Lilith supposed to appear. But Viv decided to push that back because she wanted a filler season of the Vees. It's why we got a cliffhanger of Lilith at the end for season 1 with Lute telling her to go down there, only for Lilith not to in season 2. That's why we got another cliffhanger of her at the end of season 2.
Personally I could not name even one single broadway singer. Who the hell is Liz Calloway?
She's been in quite a few Broadway musicals, but in the animation scene, she's the singing voice for some female characters, like Anastasia, Jasmine in the Aladdin sequels, and Odette from Swan Lake. These films knew that sometimes Voics Actors for characters couldn't sing, so they got a separate person that could.
 
Sort of related to Viv (and arguably Glitch and the rest of indie animation), but Youtube recommended me a video that criticizes Indie animation from an economic point of view, arguing that their business model is not much different from the likes of Disney.

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Well she was supposed to do something in season 2. So was Lilith supposed to appear. But Viv decided to push that back because she wanted a filler season of the Vees. It's why we got a cliffhanger of Lilith at the end for season 1 with Lute telling her to go down there, only for Lilith not to in season 2. That's why we got another cliffhanger of her at the end of season 2.
I'd say that Lilith not doing anything in s2 was handled much better than Lute not doing anything as the show never gave her a badass song at the beginning of the season and she didn't get all these cameos heavily suggesting she will do something major at the end of the season like what they did with Lute. I saw someone compare Lilith being mentioned multiple times and making 2 cameos as to how One Punch Man handled Blast where Blast is mentioned multiple times throughout the manga and appears in 2 flashbacks before he actually physically appears in the manga and does something.

Also, is there any evidence that Lute and Lilith were going to do something in season 2 than this was written out in favor of the Vees? The ending of s1 was heavily suggesting that the Vees will be the villains of S2 while Lilith's cameo at the end of s1 was much more vague than the Vees setup.
 
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