Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

latinlover said:
Election:

I'll try and edit the post whenever something new comes out.
11:30 AM Hungary time: No real result so far, except brutal high turnout rates: 37,98% of people voted until 11:00 am, this is absolutely unprecedented and record breaking.

It's only speculation but high turnout rates likely don't favor FIDESZ, and regionally the most 'active' counties so far are opposition counties. High turnout rates are horrible for the smaller parties (MKKP, DK, and Mi Hazánk). There's a very good chance we'll have a 2 party parliament. Beyond communism (where the only party was the Hungarian Working People’s Party, communists) this has never happened in the history of the Hungarian national assembly.
1:32 PM: 54.14% turnout rate by 1 PM. Wild.

No results yet.
2:42 PM: no news, but I'll bring you some trivia. The Hungarian News Agency (MTI) is Hungary’s national news agency and one of the most important components of public media; as such, the Media Act and the Public Service Code require it to maintain balance, impartiality, and objectivity. Despite this, in the campaign season between April 1 and 11 Orban Viktor was mentioned in the news 354 times and Magyar Péter 36 times. This only includes names, doesn't include titles such as PM, or 'opposition leader'.

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3:30 PM: 66,0% turnout by 3PM.
5:48 PM: 74,23% turnout rate by 5PM. This already broke the previous record for turnout rate in Hungary's modern history (which was 73% in 2002) and the day is nowhere near over yet. Final rate expected to be between 80-82%.

The voting stations stay open until 7:00 PM, although if there's a line it might go into overtime seeing as they are legally obligated to provide you the opportunity to vote even if you get there at 18:59:59.
6:58 PM: 77.8% turnout rate by 6:30 PM.
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High turnout usually means it's being rigged, or it's one of those rare cases where people actually come out in overwhelming numbers against the incumbent.
Considering how much Hungary apparently mirrors Russia, I'll go with the former. I'm too doompilled to assume positive outcome.

Edit: Well, shit! I probably should've finished reading the thread first. This is one of those cases where you're happy to have been wrong.
 
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Astro Galactic Megalul said:
High turnout usually means it's being rigged
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In this case it was fairly obvious it's not the case. The poor north-eastern/Szabolcs regions had comparatively low turnout - in 2022 there were anomalies, where due to chainvoting more people voted after 5pm in some of the districts than the entire 9 hours before. None of this happened this time.

They just couldn't rig it. TISZA was able to mobilize enough activists where they had eyes everywhere and it was really hard for FIDESZ to cheat, not to mention Magyar constantly threatened everyone with lengthy prison sentences who would be caught; that alone dissuaded lots of small time gipsies who previously were put in charge of mobilizing the unwashed masses.

If the result was close, maybe it could have ended differently. Orban could have asked for a recount or whatever. It was an absolute landslide though DESPITE all odds, despite the overwhelming state apparatus, the attempted cheats, the infinite FIDESZ war coffers. Orban didn't have neither the police, nor the army's loyalty at this point either, there really was no other choice for him, he didn't just take the moral high ground, he was forced into it.
 
latinlover said:
In this case it was fairly obvious it's not the case. The poor north-eastern/Szabolcs regions had comparatively low turnout - in 2022 there were anomalies, where due to chainvoting more people voted after 5pm in some of the districts than the entire 9 hours before. None of this happened this time.

They just couldn't rig it. TISZA was able to mobilize enough activists where they had eyes everywhere and it was really hard for FIDESZ to cheat, not to mention Magyar constantly threatened everyone with lengthy prison sentences who would be caught; that alone dissuaded lots of small time gipsies who previously were put in charge of mobilizing the unwashed masses.

If the result was close, maybe it could have ended differently. Orban could have asked for a recount or whatever. It was an absolute landslide though DESPITE all odds, despite the overwhelming state apparatus, the attempted cheats, the infinite FIDESZ war coffers. Orban didn't have neither the police, nor the army's loyalty at this point either, there really was no other choice for him, he didn't just take the moral high ground, he was forced into it.
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I suppose that's the key difference. In Russia observers for opposition usually get booted out/arrested etc, police would cover up blatant cheating rather than prevent it.
It's nice to know not everything is lost, good day for Hungary. I hope it's the beginning of changes that country and its people need. Congratulations!

Tangentially, should be good for Ukraine as well.
 
Slurgle said:
@latinlover went above and beyond for this coverage. Sincerely, thank you for everything.

@Null can we get this guy something special?
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There really ought to be community features for each of the major subforums so that each community can have its big moments without disrupting everyone else, and save sitewide community features for big things (actual cow news)
It'd give us a place to recognize guys like latin without setting off a wave of sperg tourists complaining about having to see politics on their gossip column website
Astro Galactic Megalul said:
Tangentially, should be good for Ukraine as well.
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>Tangentially
Thread name:

Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion​

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Astro Galactic Megalul said:
Tangentially, should be good for Ukraine as well.
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All I'm going to say is that there's a 99.9% chance Ruszin-Szendi Romulusz is going to be the next Minister of Defense for Hungary. He used to be the Chief of the Hungarian Defense Forces, he fell out of favor with Orban and fell victim to the Army purge due to ending NATO briefings with "Slava Ukraini". He is universally loved by the armed forces, been a career officer for more than 30 years.

He's been a TISZA loyalist from the early days and now he's an MP.

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There's probably a long way ahead for unfucking the systemic corruption and dictatorship Orban managed to build and making Hungary a better place for Hungarians, but I am happy that at least for the rest of us, the effects of this election will probably be fast. As in maybe Hungary not actively trying combat Ukraine, EU and NATO, while sucking up to Kremlin.
 
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Preston Stewart - YouTube

Milblogger Wagner Kitten asks if Russia in fact losing. The issue is that the grey kill zone has massively expanded. Ukraine can mog Russian resupply facilities with 50 drones a day. It leads to Ukraine increases the middle strike range, the able to pummel anything in the occupied zone. It also includes the Seraphim unit using the 'cares for Ukraine' trucks thanking American viewers for their help. SBU says FPV drone operators of SBU Alpha hit 1083 occupiers. 50,000 occupiers killed or wounded every month. More Russian troops killed or seriously wounded than recruited. 95% of Russian casualties are now drones. 247 air defense and radar systems destroyed in March. This eases the work of Ukrainian drones. 121 multiple launch rocket systems, 212 towed guns and self propelled artillery and 33,687 UAVs. Ukraine is regaining the initiative. The war is changing with Ukraine taking control of the sky from a longer distance.

Ukraine report 470 truce violations including Russians attacked captured, wounded Russians.

Ukrainian troops rescue a kitten.


United 24 on Xitter
 
Checking in to the thread after #total_Orban_rape

Russian reaction to the election on telegram:
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Foley said:
There's probably a long way ahead for unfucking the systemic corruption and dictatorship Orban managed to build and making Hungary a better place for Hungarians, but I am happy that at least for the rest of us, the effects of this election will probably be fast. As in maybe Hungary not actively trying combat Ukraine, EU and NATO, while sucking up to Kremlin.
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Yeah this is going to remove a constant EU pro-Russia veto.
The EU might actually unfuck itself and get its act together w/r/t Ukraine.

...I said "MIGHT".

teriyakiburns said:
There's a not insignificant chance nobody knew how to turn it on.
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I know you are making a funny, but
Just for point of order becasue its easy for details to get forgotten: it was definitely turned on on delivery (at the insistance of Biden), and the UK (I can't remember if it was BoJo or Poo-in-Loo) eventually told Biden to stuff it (I believe in the wake of the 2023 counterattack) and had their limiters turned off.
Which Ukraine proceeded celebrate by wasting like two dozen of them get one to finally superficially hit the Kerch bridge but.

That was before HIMARS and later ATTACMs got their range limits shut off, mostly due to the UK/UKR demonstrating that Russia could only respond to the storm shadow increased range attacks by coping & seething.

I call Euros out when they cuck out all the time so I think its important to also call out when they actually do something good.
 
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Genuine question, I am seeing a lot of accounts saying that Magyar winning means that the doctors and engineers will be coming to hungary, and how Orban loosing is paramount to the death of europa. While its obvious that Magyar has support from people alex soros, I have also seen him make a hungarian "they're eating the cats" type campaign, since obviously Obran had a hard on for jeets. So I guess what I am asking is will Magyar be the globohomo people are saying he is, is he actualy a trve defender of the west or neither, and he is just a normal politician?
 
harbringer883 said:
is he actualy a trve defender of the west or neither, and he is just a normal politician?
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He repeatedly said in his campaign that the only thing Orban has done well in his 16 years is building the border wall. Once he takes office he'll immediately stop all non-EU labor migration into Hungary. He is beefing with the anti-Hungarian (Fico/Vucic/Simion) politicians in neighbouring countries. His stance on LGBTQIAP is don't ask don't tell. He is neutral on Gipsies, which is arguably an upgrade as Orban was coddling them - cca 90% of gypsies voted Orban.

Also he doubled down on the "they are eating the cats" bit despite it being extremely unpopular with a large portion of his voterbase lol. He really doesn't like pakis.

As for him being too cozy with the EU: his MEPs are currently banned from speaking for 5 more months I believe due to breaking EPP party discipline and repeatedly voting against Weber's wishes, perhaps with the last example of this being the MERCOSUR fiasco. They are a rowdy bunch and Ursula isn't particularly fond of them, she finds them a necessary evil compared to Orban's lunacy.
EPP penalises Hungarian opposition party Tisza for not supporting von der Leyen
 
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harbringer883 said:
Genuine question, I am seeing a lot of accounts saying that Magyar winning means that the doctors and engineers will be coming to hungary, and how Orban loosing is paramount to the death of europa. While its obvious that Magyar has support from people alex soros, I have also seen him make a hungarian "they're eating the cats" type campaign, since obviously Obran had a hard on for jeets. So I guess what I am asking is will Magyar be the globohomo people are saying he is, is he actualy a trve defender of the west or neither, and he is just a normal politician?
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Magyar is a former Fidesz politician (Orban’s party) and appears to be firmly on the right in terms of social policy, and is euro-critical.

IMO this was the right play for Hungary where the issues of immigration and “gender” and “money going to Ukraine” are forefront in everyone’s minds because it’s what Fidesz has been hammering for years. If you listen to interviews with his supporters, it’s literally the only points they know or care about.

I seriously doubt Magyar will flip against the first two, but hopefully he will stop the Russian oriented interference. The problem of energy - gas bought from Russia coming in a pipeline through Ukraine (which Russia has bombed) is difficult to solve either way though.
 
Holy fuck.

Magyar is doing an international press conference. He interrupted his speech as someone notified him what Szijjártó is doing right now.

Szijjártó, as you know, is the Russian spy/Hungarian FM who was so treasonous even the various EU intelligence agencies were leaking to the press about his conversations with Lavrov in order to preserve the alliance's interests (I've talked about this in many-many posts if you read a few pages back).

Szijjártó was not present at the FIDESZ results party and he gave no signs of life since then, completely fell off the face of the earth. All we saw were various government planes going towards CIS shitholes and Africa. Everyone speculated he's escaped to Moscow or Chad or something. As I said, Magyar interrupted his speech telling everyone not to worry, Szijjártó is alive and well and according to his sources from inside the Foreign Ministry he is in there with his closest confidants shredding piles of boxes of documents, related to Russian sanction talks among other things. :story:
 
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latinlover said:
Magyar is doing an international press conference.
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He's already taking a pro-Ukraine stance:

Péter Magyar: Ukraine is the victim of this war. Everyone knows that. No one should tell Ukraine under what conditions it must enter peace or sign a peace treaty. We cannot ask any country to give up its territory. If they do, they would be considered traitors
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Zigger ammonia plant gets ACK'd:
Cherepovets, Vologda region, Today, SOU attack UAVs attacked the PhosAgro chemical plant. According to preliminary information, there were at least two hits.
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Hit on the ammonia production of the "Cherepovets-Azot" plant on the day of 13.04.2026

According to the video published online, it can be confirmed that black smoke from burning is visible from two (Ammonia-1 marked in yellow, Ammonia-2 marked in blue) out of three ammonia workshops with a total capacity of 900 thousand tons per year. It is also reported that there may have been a hit on the ammonia storage facility of these workshops (marked in red), which was additionally protected by a special metal structure to protect against drone strikes after the start of the full-scale invasion.

The damaged production accounts for about 6% of ammonia production in Russia, and the plant as a whole is responsible for approximately 10% of total ammonia.

POV: 59.152093, 37.832752
Ammonia Workshop-1: 59.155456, 37.836980
Ammonia Workshop-2: 59.156805, 37.840802
Ammonia Storage: 59.158382, 37.838527
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Source.
 
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