Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

They were the first TV series to use the P90 and they used real ones, not converted semi-autos because I've seen a clip from the show where they're showing off their guns to some tribe and the gun fires a single round then goes to full auto due to the progressive trigger. I didn't realize there were so many Stargate shows. I have some vague memories of them being advertised on Sci-Fi back in the day but I had no idea there were three shows. Speaking of Sci-Fi channel, any recommendations for shows they produced besides Farscape and the Galactica reboot? I watched Farscape not too long ago for the first time since it aired. Amazing, as always.
Im afraid I was very young when I watched most of the shows so I don't have perfect memories of them. Stargate SG1 was the good one from what I recall it is effectively star trek just instead of a ship they have a portal and instead of the prime directive they are actively trading and stealing tech. Think voyager if the Maquis ran the trip. I forget most of the character names but they have the gruff veteran, the idealist scientist, the character who is effectively a klingon that embraced vulkan logic and the woman.

Babylon 5 if you can get past the first season. It wasn't bad but leaned to heavily into politicking. It does get more into the cliche of good and evil later on going so far as to depict a alien race as angels and their rivals as effectively demons.

Outside of sci-fi I can give Supernatural a soft recommendation. Its quality is all over the place though and is more a character drama. It has stints of really interesting villians and extremely dull antagonists.
 
Garak shows up again, making it one of his earliest focus episodes. He’s great in it, his ‘Perhaps we have met!’ line is fantastic.
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Garak is the funniest “redeemed villain” because he never actually redeems himself. “Yeah I tortured people for the Cardassian Union."

He didn't really repent, he just burned out. The state he devoted his life to was run by idiots.

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Then, his brain implant starts frying him randomly, like his own nervous system becomes an interrogation room.

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Another funny moment is that shuttle scene where he says any effort expended to save the orphans would be a net loss. What an asshole!:story:
 
Fascism is socialism in decay. Socialists have historically a very, very bad track record at detecting fascism. Not that shitlib millenials would understand that, because they don't know much about anything. But it explains neatly why they're so bad at subliminal messaging and writing stories. Everything is fucking hamfisted, gay, retarded, incompetently done and stupid. These people are fundamentally incapable of assuming a perspective that's not their own. They can't conceive of belief systems, world views and opinions that are not their own. They don't have a theory of mind for that. Say what you want about boomers, but at least they knew how to do Trek in the 90s.
The fandom has always done this to some extent. What Tumblr (roughly 2012-2016) did was industrialize it and tie it to the specific kind of identity politics that treated reading as a moral act. If the text contains harm, tolerating the harm in service of artistic complexity is complicity. That’s a framework that makes close reading impossible, because close reading requires tolerating ambiguity long enough to understand it.​
Therapy language colonized criticism, and it brought the authority without the training. A clinician using “harmful content” is making a claim about a specific patient, a specific exposure, a specific documented response. That claim is falsifiable. It’s grounded in a relationship with an actual person whose actual reactions can be observed. The lay version skips all of that and goes straight to the verdict. “This content is harmful” in a book review or a fandom post means: I have designated this text as a threat, and anyone who defends it is defending the threat.​
The move is elegant because it forecloses the question before it can be asked. You don’t have to demonstrate that readers are actually harmed. You don’t have to identify which readers, or under what conditions, or compared to what baseline. Harm is asserted, not argued. And once harm is asserted, the burden inverts: now the person defending the text has to prove a negative, which is impossible, which means the text stays designated.​
What you get is the social function of a clinical diagnosis (authority, finality, protection of vulnerable people) without any of the epistemic constraints that make clinical diagnoses meaningful. And because the framework is drawn from therapy culture, pushing back on it reads as pushing back on therapy, which reads as denying that trauma exists, which is a losing position in any community where therapy language is the default register. The framework is self-sealing. That’s not a bug.​
“Death of the Author” got half-digested and inverted. Barthes’ actual argument was that the author’s intent doesn’t constrain interpretation: the text means what it means to the reader, and the author’s stated intention is not privileged. That’s a genuinely useful critical tool. What it became in practice was: there is no author, therefore the text speaks directly, therefore every voice in the text is the voice. Which is the exact opposite of what Barthes was arguing. He was liberating the reader to interpret; the corrupted version collapses the interpretive distance that makes interpretation possible.​
 
I'm finishing up DS9 and might try Stargate: SG1 next.
There's actually an episode in the fourth season where Rene Auberjonois guest stars.
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From what I recall its a good series that tries to hard to not use magic for plots when its using magic for plots.
"The Goa'uld aren't actually gods. They only use their advanced technology to appear divine. Also, you can become a living ball of light if you meditate enough."
 
Just saying, I have little doubt nowadays that a lot of business "professionals" have the above view, and not the old fashioned view of "make customers happy, and they give you money."
This is the more recent politically correct version of the real old fashioned view of "a bigot's dollar is still a dollar."

Don't tell your dad that Shatner is Canadian.
Shatner may have been born a Canadian, but he done more to be a real American then most Americans in entertainment.
 
There's actually an episode in the fourth season where Rene Auberjonois guest stars.
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"The Goa'uld aren't actually gods. They only use their advanced technology to appear divine. Also, you can become a living ball of light if you meditate enough."
I thought that episode was in season 1. They were still using MP5s at the time.
 
I thought that episode was in season 1. They were still using MP5s at the time.
You know, the switch to the P90 always struck me as weird. They basically abandoned the German Autismo Spray and Pray for the Belgian contraption that's outright engineered with dark magic. Maybe they realized the 9x19 parabellum is too powerful for interstellar war and the GOOLD might lodge a protest in space court, I don't know... I mean, it's a cool looking gun, quite futuristic and all that.
 
You know, the switch to the P90 always struck me as weird. They basically abandoned the German Autismo Spray and Pray for the Belgian contraption that's outright engineered with dark magic. Maybe they realized the 9x19 parabellum is too powerful for interstellar war and the GOOLD might lodge a protest in space court, I don't know... I mean, it's a cool looking gun, quite futuristic and all that.
It took like 30 rounds to penetrate Jaffa armor. The MP5 was pretty underpowered and I do have to wonder why SG-1 was carrying SMGs when the other teams were carrying rifles.
 
Or he lost his hair in a training accident when a phaser zapped it all off.
This idea worked in Babylon 5 with an noodle incident involving suspected black market cargo causing the permanent removal of all of Mr. Garibaldi's remaining hair.
If the official line is that DS9 just sprang fully formed with zero overlap or influence, I don't buy it.
They had the physical possession JMS' Babylon 5 show bible for quite a bit of time before eventually rejecting JMS show proposal and returning the B5 Bible to him. It is this one event that permanently taints DS9 as a copycat. Irrelevant of whether any of the DS9 producers and show runners even looked at the bible or even heard of it.
 
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Speaking of Sci-Fi channel, any recommendations for shows they produced besides Farscape and the Galactica reboot? I watched Farscape not too long ago for the first time since it aired. Amazing, as always
It wasn’t originally made by Sci-Fi (I will call it SyFy over my dead body) but I first saw Space: Above And Beyond on that channel. It’s pretty overlooked and if you haven’t seen it I think it’s worth a watch. Last time I checked most episodes were up on YouTube.

Specifically Sci-Fi there’s always Andromeda, Sliders or Dark Matter. I haven’t seen much of Dark Matter but I heard some fairly positive things about it.
 
I do have to wonder why SG-1 was carrying SMGs when the other teams were carrying rifles.

They're a bit more compact, which is good for the actors and directors, and the P90s look less like a regular gun, which probably pleased any parents groups involved in the show. Ideally the characters would all have had zap guns like on Star Trek, but it wasn't possible to pull that off in a show that takes place on an air force base.


A childhood favorite. I didn't realize how playful it was until I was an adult, with episodes like the one where there are dinosaurs in a state park which aired around the same time that Jurassic Park 2 came out. They tried to wrap up the series with a story arc and recurring villains, but that's nigh impossible to pull off when every episode ends with the heroes going to another universe. Delightful 90s esthetic, zero currentyear politics.
 
I may have been the only person who liked Stargate Universe but that's an option.
Sci-Fi fucked over most of the first season by trying to make it Nu Battlestar Galactica lite. Series did course corrected back to being Stargate-ish albeit still more serious. But the damage had been done in viewership and ratings, leading to its cancelation.
 
First Contact > Khan > 2009 > 6 > 4 > Generations > 5 > 3 > TMP > Insurrection > Nemesis > Beyond

Disclaimer: I've never seen Nemesis. I started watching Beyond but Sulu's gay husband made me shut it off within five minutes.

I saw Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, and 2009 in theaters. This is why I kinda ranked Generations high- it was my first Trek movie in theaters and at the time I was a huge TNG and DS9 fan so I was thrilled to see Star Trek in the theater. I recognize, on an intellectual level, that Generations is the worst movie ever made.

Also 5 is really not that bad.
No GalaxyQuest. Auto fail.

The only part which was kinda cool was that titty bar on Nimbus III. The ambassadors have completely given up. :story: Why is Talbot even there? Shouldn't he have an office or an embassy or whatever?

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The peace process is going great!
So just like the real UN.

You know, what's so interesting about Trek is... it needed the Eugenics Wars and WW3 for humanity to overcome the Great Filter. Humanity recovered at great speed after 2063, and I wonder why that is aside of FTL-capabilities. That's engineering and science.
Personally, I think the Eugenics Wars and Trek's premise for WW3 were all fucking retarded. The Eugenics Wars doesn't make sense if you know anything about biotechnology and that is supposed to lead directly to WW3, which leads to a global nuclear war... that doesn't eradicate all of humanity and lead to MAD? I'm sure it made sense to Gene in the 1960's, but it makes no fucking sense now. Also, people politicize dish soap. I can't post anything in this thread without Captain Syrup negrating me because I'm pro-Trump. Do any of you really believe that meeting aliens will somehow rally our species and end all our problems? There are people on this website who believe that any "aliens" we meet are literal Biblical demons and part of some religious test.

The only way humans will ever form a united federation is if they are dragged kicking and screaming.
That was all pretty much inspired by HG Wells' book.
 
Lexx is too weird and too Canadian. I watched it as it aired because it'd come on after Hercules and Xena and tried rewatching it during covid and couldn't get through it.
It wasn’t originally made by Sci-Fi (I will call it SyFy over my dead body) but I first saw Space: Above And Beyond on that channel. It’s pretty overlooked and if you haven’t seen it I think it’s worth a watch. Last time I checked most episodes were up on YouTube.
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Space: Above and Beyond is great. Too bad it ends with a cliffhanger, yet another victim of Fox.
 
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