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I posted this in USPG2 but it's worth saying here that the acid test going forward in politics will be if someone can publicly say on record that the U.S. needs to disentangle itself from Israeli influence in our government. That, and if they take AIPAC money or money from similar organizations.

If the Democrats are ahead of the Republicans on this, or ideally Independents are ahead of both, so be it but I have a feeling any candidate that can pass both with flying colors is going to have a good time in any election where they can get that information to the constituency. Regardless of party affiliation.

This is going to be really bad for the midterms but I like to think people still haven't forgotten 2022-2024.
 
browserbowser said:
This is going to be really bad for the midterms but I like to think people still haven't forgotten 2022-2024.
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it might lead to freaks getting power for a bit but if theyre not jewish controlled and can remove the israeli tick youll be amazed at how quickly a country can heal. i mean even with a shitty hand me down jew created system stalin after turning against the jew kept the ussr as the second world power even while lakes turned to dumping grounds. i dont even think they fully decoupled from jewry. alot of shit ruining the country dies when the jews die out.
 
MeltyTW said:
it might lead to freaks getting power for a bit but if theyre not jewish controlled and can remove the israeli tick youll be amazed at how quickly a country can heal. i mean even with a shitty hand me down jew created system stalin after turning against the jew kept the ussr as the second world power even while lakes turned to dumping grounds. i dont even think they fully decoupled from jewry. alot of shit ruining the country dies when the jews die out.
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I know artificial sweeteners are bad for you but if it takes Stalin I'd rather have Diet-Stalin rather than Stalin Classic.
 
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>Will therefore extend the ceasefire until such time as their proposal is submitted.

In other words, Trump has found his exit from the war.
 
MeltyTW said:
it might lead to freaks getting power for a bit but if theyre not jewish controlled and can remove the israeli tick youll be amazed at how quickly a country can heal. i mean even with a shitty hand me down jew created system stalin after turning against the jew kept the ussr as the second world power even while lakes turned to dumping grounds. i dont even think they fully decoupled from jewry. alot of shit ruining the country dies when the jews die out.
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The Democrats will be in a pickle, on the one hand public support for Jewry, and the policies and wars behind it is as low as it ever has been, they are also under the thumb of it, but coming from different angle. Like another poster said, Republicans are placed in power when they need to send white men to die, good luck getting the disparate minority groups, who you dangle free shit in front of every election cycle, being sold on this war time austerity. I'm half and half on them getting Trump to either pull the pin, and engage martial law, and a draft, or trying nuking Iran to eek out a victory.
 
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>Will therefore extend the ceasefire until such time as their proposal is submitted.

In other words, Trump has found his exit from the war.
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One guy earlier in the thread pointed out that one aspect of these repeated start-stop maneuvers is perhaps to get a 'redo' on the start of the war for PR purposes.

I somewhat agree with that but I want to lay some general stuff out first.

What has happened here is the U.S. (admitted by Trump's administration to be the case right after the initial decapitation strikes that started this current conflict and the closure of) was informed by Israel of a strike they were going to do regardless of what the U.S. had to say about it against key Iranian government personnel at least one of whom was a major religious figure and decided to join in, allegedly, reasoning that Iran was going to strike U.S. assets in the region regardless of involvement despite Iran not targeting U.S. assets prior to U.S. involvement in the last conflict less than a year prior.

But the pressures as to why Israel might do something such as this converge at one point, that being that they are swiftly losing the public in the west as much as they are also losing economic bandwidth to even achieve something like this with the focus in the West on de-industrialization. Meaning that regardless of your opinion on the zionist problem, as we've seen brought up in this conflict multiple times now even the U.S. not just Europe has de-industrialized already to the extent that not only can ammunition for current forces engaged in long-distance large-scale conflict such as missiles of certain kinds not be adequately replenished in even the current conflict as-is, never mind a 'real war'.

This makes the diminishing West (including the U.S.) a poor vassal for actually achieving the Greater Israel concept even partially as time goes on, that combined with an ever-increasing PR nightmare unfolding as well on top of whatever control Netanyahu and assumedly Mossad have with our government including over Trump (whether over him directly or his financiers or whatever is irrelevant), and it makes full sense in a certain manner why now would be the time to want to disable their last major regional threat: Iran.

It cannot be overstated that a recently added stipulation to negotiations by Israel was for Iran to disarm its ballistic missiles and that is most likely the actual goal of this entire conflict, to get Iran to not be capable of using its ballistic missles on top of all of the other prior demands Iran had agreed to prior to the recent conflicts regarding its nuclear programs.

I say that it cannot be overstated because that either is a 'poison pill' stipulation meant to make agreement with such demands upalatable purposefully, or it was for some reason genuinely thought of as a reasonable demand to make of a country like Iran.

This and the "no enrichment whatsoever" shit that the U.S. in prior deals had already agreed wasn't necessary both are what currently are irreconcilable differences between Iran and Israel that Trump's admin is acting as a biased mediator between. That means that we can reasonably expect that, Netanyahu/warhawks/zionists in general are going to be very pissed off at the news that he's 'extending' the 'ceasefire'. Meaning the people Trump has already done all of this stupid shit presumably at the behest of are likely going to be furious that he's stalling for time when the entire point is that Israel needs this done now.

I'm guessing that what they may or may not be hoping for is a situation in which the Iranians purposefully have a ship attempt to go through the blockade, when it's shot at for it or nearby Iranian military to return fire in some way or form. With the Iranians saying that to declare a ceasefire and enforce a blockade is nonsensical or something to that effect, meanwhile an attack on an american military ship used by the Trump admin as a casus belli. I also do not think that whatever happens here it will last much longer because again Israel needs this to happen ASAP especially before the midterms.

TL;DR: I think the entire point of 'negotiations' was to just reup and rearm as well as re-roll for a couple of mulligans for the war's framing and casus belli. Presumably to get everyone to forget this was all started by and for Israel because they do not want Iran to have access to any weaponry that can attack it and it will almost certainly not end until the capacity for Israeli influence to be exerted over our government is minimized to the extent it no longer can.

Also various public figures and institutions are already trying to blame "Trump" instead of Israel, whom Trump has done this shit on behalf of, which is not something people should let happen.
 
FatWhiteGuy said:
The Democrats will be in a pickle, on the one hand public support for Jewry, and the policies and wars behind it is as low as it ever has been, they are also under the thumb of it, but coming from different angle. Like another poster said, Republicans are placed in power when they need to send white men to die, good luck getting the disparate minority groups, who you dangle free shit in front of every election cycle, being sold on this war time austerity. I'm half and half on them getting Trump to either pull the pin, and engage martial law, and a draft, or trying nuking Iran to eek out a victory.
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also interesting is theyre going ahead with their longer term plans to give power back to their dem branch of zog for when or i guess now if the war ends, as seen with the rigged va referendum today, but im of the belief they definitely rigged it for trump to win the presidency. maybe theyll do the same for vance and try to frame it as another against the odds style victory to justify having a warhawk red president while the country is being prepped to turn blue. thats ignoring all the short term challenges i laid out earlier with dem voters suddenly reconsidering zog as fact when seeing all the dems who riled them up to impeach trump and put him to the guillotine suddenly all sounding like rally around the flag neocons circa 2001 to 2008. they may just be fucked they best hurry up and blow up all the oil refineries on their list and hightail it to to the donkey meat ranches in patagonia and rubble farms in ukraine.
browserbowser said:
I know artificial sweeteners are bad for you but if it takes Stalin I'd rather have Diet-Stalin rather than Stalin Classic.
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it really does just go to show how much jews shit everything up. mexico's brilliant plan to reduce obesity was just to make potentially abusable foods even less affordable to their population with the jewess in. i dont even think its 100 percent of the time malicious i think 15 percent of it is just their mental retardation and delusion.
 
MeltyTW said:
also interesting is theyre going ahead with their longer term plans to give power back to their dem branch of zog for when or i guess now if the war ends, as seen with the rigged va referendum today, but im of the belief they definitely rigged it for trump to win the presidency. maybe theyll do the same for vance and try to frame it as another against the odds style victory to justify having a warhawk red president while the country is being prepped to turn blue. thats ignoring all the short term challenges i laid out earlier with dem voters suddenly reconsidering zog as fact when seeing all the dems who riled them up to impeach trump and put him to the guillotine suddenly all sounding like rally around the flag neocons circa 2001 to 2008. they may just be fucked they best hurry up and blow up all the oil refineries on their list and hightail it to to the donkey meat ranches in patagonia and rubble farms in ukraine.
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I think for once in a long time we might see actual, non-NGO funded chimp outs, once the Dems back the war time austerity, and draft shit.
 
FatWhiteGuy said:
I think for once in a long time we might see actual, non-NGO funded chimp outs, once the Dems back the war time austerity, and draft shit.
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oh for sure, you have dem voters who will come in thinking "yay no more trump wars! impeach trump! arrest trump!" theyre going to see even a good portion of former maga calling for the same and think "yes even they agree! its over we get power!" and then .... dem congressmen voting to give israel more aid for decades, approving gutting social programs some even popular with more right leaning people all for the war funding, the dem politicians preaching unity in the face of this israel caused war. fucking chaos

on a related note im curious about the zog slaves that we call the euro leadership, i wonder how theyll react. i mentioned stalin earlier but even being "half jew" (half mongrel would be equally ludicrous to say, but he held jewish blood and thus ties) the impositions made on him had him furiously revolt to the point the ussr became a thorn rather than an asset for jews. and now the strategy from trump and american zog slaves is to drag europe into this war and they seem to either be giving actual material resistance in some cases or having to hide or delay like starmer and meloni. that and apparently india and the like are already on the cusp of famine and extreme shortages. and the attempts to blame iran have fallen flat even in america.
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"im five months" that is what all the other people said too. in fact i remember watching bush tell me on the tv that the war is essentially owner and damn him but he had much much more to brag about in the same time frame vs trump. idk if he is stupid enough to believe or just hopes we are.
 
MeltyTW said:
oh for sure, you have dem voters who will come in thinking "yay no more trump wars! impeach trump! arrest trump!" theyre going to see even a good portion of former maga calling for the same and think "yes even they agree! its over we get power!" and then .... dem congressmen voting to give israel more aid for decades, approving gutting social programs some even popular with more right leaning people all for the war funding, the dem politicians preaching unity in the face of this israel caused war. fucking chaos

on a related note im curious about the zog slaves that we call the euro leadership, i wonder how theyll react. i mentioned stalin earlier but even being "half jew" (half mongrel would be equally ludicrous to say, but he held jewish blood and thus ties) the impositions made on him had him furiously revolt to the point the ussr became a thorn rather than an asset for jews. and now the strategy from trump and american zog slaves is to drag europe into this war and they seem to either be giving actual material resistance in some cases or having to hide or delay like starmer and meloni. that and apparently india and the like are already on the cusp of famine and extreme shortages. and the attempts to blame iran have fallen flat even in america.

"im five months" that is what all the other people said too. in fact i remember watching bush tell me on the tv that the war is essentially owner and damn him but he had much much more to brag about in the same time frame vs trump. idk if he is stupid enough to believe or just hopes we are.
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In some ways lefties are becoming more anti-semitic than even the right they called Nazis. Fucking bonkers timeline.
 
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It baffles me, they aren't stupid, they see that the sympathy for Jews and Israel has almost hit rock bottom, soaring gas prices, destruction of military assets, and likely conscription in their service, and they think "Yeah, but Iran might have wiped us out." As if more and more people aren't already rooting for that.
 
FatWhiteGuy said:
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I do love the Schizo Chinaman, but this relies on the US government being competent in any way. Which it isn't- it's too corrupt (Jewish) and inept to bring about the technate and choke point plans. The Navy can't be the strongest in the world and at the same time be nothing but rusting scrap heaps with no industrial base to replace them. And corporations won't set up industrial bases here because China doesn't have labor laws. Nor does India.
 
Wilson The Ball said:
I do love the Schizo Chinaman, but this relies on the US government being competent in any way. Which it isn't- it's too corrupt (Jewish) and inept to bring about the technate and choke point plans. The Navy can't be the strongest in the world and at the same time be nothing but rusting scrap heaps with no industrial base to replace them. And corporations won't set up industrial bases here because China doesn't have labor laws. Nor does India.
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Theoretically, what would stop China from sending it's own ships to the strait to get the oil? I doubt they believe we would fire on, or try to board them.
 
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