GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

WULULULULU said:
Even older PC parts aren't safe from this niggershit. Prepare your anus, it's going to be worse.
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i have already finished building my pc, my anus will remain unprepared thank you very much.
although i did find a RVII for sale but my bank is being a little bitch so i need to hope no one gets it until tuesday in order to buy it (:_(
 
What I don't get about AMD GPU stans is...why. Unless you're a young guy who still thinks buying electronics is a team sport. Then I get it, okay, it's brand loyalty. We all had that time in our lives when what brand you bought was of cosmic significance.

AMD hasn't had a new idea since they invented unified shaders back in the 00s and rested on their laurels. Since the 2010s, the cycle has been that NVIDIA drives innovation while AMD copies it a generation later in a half-assed way with bad software and bottlenecked memory. So what exactly is the appeal here? After owning disappointing RDNA1 and RDNA2 products, I just don't get it.
 
If I'm looking at a RX 5700XT or a RTX 2070 to put I to a server in order to run steam in a docker image for remote play on my other computers, playing pretty much just mid-range games or games they run well on those specs, is it worth going for the 2070 if it's double the price on eBay?
 
The Ugly One said:
What I don't get about AMD GPU stans is...why.
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Some of it is ATI nostalgia, some of it is affordability. My 9070xt isn't as good as a 5070ti, but when I got it? It was cheaper by enough that a 3-12% performance increase didn't entice me. My next card will probably be nvidia unless intel does something incredible, but how likely is that?
 
Betonhaus said:
If I'm looking at a RX 5700XT or a RTX 2070 to put I to a server in order to run steam in a docker image for remote play on my other computers, playing pretty much just mid-range games or games they run well on those specs, is it worth going for the 2070 if it's double the price on eBay?
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Unrelated - I went to check ebay and it found zero 5700 xts and zero 2070s. Maybe they broke their search with AI.

Prehistoric Jazz said:
Some of it is ATI nostalgia, some of it is affordability. My 9070xt isn't as good as a 5070ti, but when I got it? It was cheaper by enough that a 3-12% performance increase didn't entice me. My next card will probably be nvidia unless intel does something incredible, but how likely is that?
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ATI was so great 20 years ago, how the fuck did they miss out on HPC, AI, raytracing, and inference-accelerated rendering. Like they missed out on every single thing.

Meanwhile, a 9070 XT lists on Newegg for around $740, while a 6700 XT, a card that is objectively inferior in every conceivable way, lists for $790. What the fuck is happening in the GPU market?
 
The Ugly One said:
Meanwhile, a 9070 XT lists on Newegg for around $740, while a 6700 XT, a card that is objectively inferior in every conceivable way, lists for $790. What the fuck is happening in the GPU market?
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Insanity. I bought my card back before things went crazy, but I will say that my 6750xt was a damned good card that handled everything I threw at it pretty well.
 
The Ugly One said:
What I don't get about AMD GPU stans is...why.
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Mostly it's because nVidia and their stans are insufferable and always have been.
The Ugly One said:
Meanwhile, a 9070 XT lists on Newegg for around $740, while a 6700 XT, a card that is objectively inferior in every conceivable way, lists for $790. What the fuck is happening in the GPU market?
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Disregard anything you see from Newegg's third party sellers. There's always someone with an outrageous listing just hoping for a dummy to come along and click buy, same as you see on Amazon or EBay.
Betonhaus said:
If I'm looking at a RX 5700XT or a RTX 2070 to put I to a server in order to run steam in a docker image for remote play on my other computers, playing pretty much just mid-range games or games they run well on those specs, is it worth going for the 2070 if it's double the price on eBay?
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I just looked on EBay out of curiosity. Crazy that I could still sell my ancient 5700xt for $150. Even my 2060 12gb that I bought used has barely depreciated,
 
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Disregard anything you see from Newegg's third party sellers. There's always someone with an outrageous listing just hoping for a dummy to come along and click buy, same as you see on Amazon or EBay.
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The cheapest NIB listing is $778. The 5060 Ti starts at $379.
 
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Best benchmark meta tool is phoronix. The cli is great. Loads of tests and suites of tests. Easy to rerun and get some good data to see how much roi you got on that latest consumer purchase.
 
The Ugly One said:
What I don't get about AMD GPU stans is...why.
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I use Linux. The AMD drivers are open source and therefore work out of the box. I've had exactly zero issues with the Open Source drivers from AMD.

NVIDIA until recently have not had open source drivers. I've had on several occasions been left with no video or very basic video because the driver update failed. The reason why NVIDIA GPUs have proprietary drivers is so they can artificially segment their GPUs between "PRO" and "CONSUMER" when the many of the consumer cards are equally as capable as the pro ones outside the artificial limitation done in software. As far as I am concerned that is fucking bullshit and why I avoid buying their products.
 
I hit it big today. I found a 5900xt with some bent pins while digging through an e waste bin. The pins were pretty uniformly bent, so I didn't have much trouble putting them back in their place, now I just hope its not dead inside because this will make a great upgrade to my 5600xt.
 
The Ugly One said:
AMD hasn't had a new idea since they invented unified shaders back in the 00s and rested on their laurels. Since the 2010s, the cycle has been that NVIDIA drives innovation while AMD copies it a generation later in a half-assed way with bad software and bottlenecked memory. So what exactly is the appeal here? After owning disappointing RDNA1 and RDNA2 products, I just don't get it.
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Cost, availability etc. For the strictly LLM enthusiast its doable to get an entire 4x R9700s for 128GBs in a DDR4 cope build including case, suitable 4 slot board and 128GB of RAM for the price of a single Nvidia 6000. But I have a feeling you will poopoo this idea.

The Ugly One said:
ATI was so great 20 years ago, how the fuck did they miss out on HPC, AI, raytracing, and inference-accelerated rendering. Like they missed out on every single thing.
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Literal definition of being Canadian. Fast to market success followed by falling behind due to smug imperialist worldview, then failing because you were irreversibly retarded and having to sell out to China.
 
YautjaWeeb said:
Cost, availability etc. For the strictly LLM enthusiast its doable to get an entire 4x R9700s for 128GBs in a DDR4 cope build including case, suitable 4 slot board and 128GB of RAM for the price of a single Nvidia 6000. But I have a feeling you will poopoo this idea.
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This is probably the answer, anything with above average VRAM is going for way more than they should be. You can find 3090s and 3090 TIs going for about what they were worth 4 years ago ($1000-$1600 respectively) on ebay seemingly just because of the 24gb memory part.

Not that those aren't still damn good video cards or anything even this far on, but still...

By comparison, the 3080 and 3080 TIs seem to rarely crest $600.
 
big pauper said:
yeah but the apple II GS came out in 1986 my guy, there's an entire decade of time between "my first computer was an apple II" and "i first connected to the internet using 56k"

i don't tell people my first computer was a computer my mom bought when i was a kid that they replaced with a newer computer lmao
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Many school districts in the mid-80's had Apple II/E/GS desktops in the back of the classroom (the Oregon Trail generation).

I'm guessin' he considers that 'his' first computer.
 
vinrock said:
Many school districts in the mid-80's had Apple II/E/GS desktops in the back of the classroom (the Oregon Trail generation).

I'm guessin' he considers that 'his' first computer.
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I know he's a fat retard but it's like bragging about your first phone being a nokia 3301 and being an early adopter of 3g
 
HarblMcDavid said:
This is probably the answer, anything with above average VRAM is going for way more than they should be. You can find 3090s and 3090 TIs going for about what they were worth 4 years ago ($1000-$1600 respectively) on ebay seemingly just because of the 24gb memory part.

Not that those aren't still damn good video cards or anything even this far on, but still...

By comparison, the 3080 and 3080 TIs seem to rarely crest $600.
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3090/24gb still a good card now other than power draw. If I knew at launch I definitely would have fought people in the streets for a few and tried to use the pandemic to beat the charges.

The W6800 Radeon pro's with 32GB of RAM were cheap ~$500 until some retard posed about them on reddit for updootes and now they are double. Large RAM seems like the safest bet. That was ATI's thing even back to the days of marketing the original Radeon with double the RAM of Nvidia's.
 
The Ugly One said:
What I don't get about AMD GPU stans is...why. Unless you're a young guy who still thinks buying electronics is a team sport. Then I get it, okay, it's brand loyalty. We all had that time in our lives when what brand you bought was of cosmic significance.

AMD hasn't had a new idea since they invented unified shaders back in the 00s and rested on their laurels. Since the 2010s, the cycle has been that NVIDIA drives innovation while AMD copies it a generation later in a half-assed way with bad software and bottlenecked memory. So what exactly is the appeal here? After owning disappointing RDNA1 and RDNA2 products, I just don't get it.
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it is cheaper, and the performance is the same as the nvidia counterpart for what i use it for. i also dont care about upscalers and am fine with using optiscaler if need be.
The Ugly One said:
ATI was so great 20 years ago, how the fuck did they miss out on HPC, AI, raytracing, and inference-accelerated rendering. Like they missed out on every single thing.
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Amd is actually retarded. i am a little bit of a fanboy and i can admit it. They lack vison and aren't willing to do things that would solidly put them at #1. They have many research papers detailing what they could do be it with software/hardware but they never make feature complete gpus to act on any of it and the software/hardware is always lacking (as you have pointed out).
Fortunately it is cheaper than nvidia. I have a 9070xt had a 3070/3080 and honestly the 9070xt is a better experience than both of them. So while I could say I would never buy amd again for xyz reason it wouldn't be true because I haven't been burned by them and i dont use a gaming gpu for work.
 
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The Ugly One said:
What I don't get about AMD GPU stans is...why. Unless you're a young guy who still thinks buying electronics is a team sport. Then I get it, okay, it's brand loyalty. We all had that time in our lives when what brand you bought was of cosmic significance.

AMD hasn't had a new idea since they invented unified shaders back in the 00s and rested on their laurels. Since the 2010s, the cycle has been that NVIDIA drives innovation while AMD copies it a generation later in a half-assed way with bad software and bottlenecked memory. So what exactly is the appeal here? After owning disappointing RDNA1 and RDNA2 products, I just don't get it.
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AMD is better on Linux. Linux users are in general very tribalistic.
 
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