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It's so jarring watching any given anime nowadays when it has at least 12/13 episodes that are roughly twenty four minutes each. You'd think Amazon, one of the richest companies in the world, could absolutely dominate in the animation department but Invincible has rough animation even in its fourth season and it ain't looking like it'll improve any time soon.
It's slightly made up for by the fact that a lot of anime over the past 5-10 years has been paced incredibly poorly. Not that that isn't an issue with the majority of serialized western animation either but the point still stands that of those 12/13 episodes in an anime season it's not unusual for 4-6 to be essentially filler.
 
It's slightly made up for by the fact that a lot of anime over the past 5-10 years has been paced incredibly poorly.
This has always been a problem for anime, though, regardless of how many episodes it aired for. Turns out that trying to do a 1:1 adaptation means you'd have to pad out an entire 24 minutes, and sometimes, even if you combine like two chapters or so you may still have fucked pacing. Toei is really bad about this.
 
This has always been a problem for anime, though, regardless of how many episodes it aired for. Turns out that trying to do a 1:1 adaptation means you'd have to pad out an entire 24 minutes, and sometimes, even if you combine like two chapters or so you may still have fucked pacing. Toei is really bad about this.
I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about when they stretch things out by making entire episodes just a conversation or whatever. LN adaptations seem to do this more than manga adaptations in my experience.
 
What do you think is the deal with that? I find it hard to believe that animations takes as long as it does. Are they just stuck in an endless corporate hell meetings, deciding whether or not to cancel the show because it costs too much overhead?
The need for longer series died out. Networks like Cartoon Network used to have a cap of 60-65 episodes for the following reasons, thanks Google AI:
This ensured 13 weeks of daily, five-day-a-week programming for syndication, allowing networks to cycle content, manage costs, and avoid expensive renewals.
With syndication no longer being a factor in the new streaming era, there is simply no reason to continue this practice, so we get less content as a result.

As for the rest, it’s Hollywood accounting in action and spans far beyond animation. These animation productions have been consumed by the greater Hollywood sphere where expenses are maneuvered around to damn near everything but the core. For example, look at Marvel. One would hope the biggest film universe based on being a live cartoon would center its budget around the effects. Nope, about half the budget of Infinity War & End Game goes to RDJ alone. Avengers Doomsday is even more ridiculous spending money to get RDJ, RDJ his own personal security team, RDJ two trailers - one for him and another for his cats, and I am sure a bunch of other pointless shit to keep Iron Man on set for 10 mins.

If we are talking Invincible, it has an insane budget that gets eaten away completely by the voice cast. Seth Rogen ain’t cheap and you know he is splurging on having his own team in conjunction with Amazon’s produce this thing. There is no way the money spent on Invincible really goes to Invincible, it probably gets funneled into Hollywood celeb’s own unnecessary vanity teams and stipulations. Then you have all the other superfluous items: some giant HR department, an unnecessary amount of writers thanks to the union demands, probably lawyers for the inevitable sex scandal, the catering company, AIPAC, The Kamala Harris campaign, California dues, money laundering, etc.. By the end, the animation is the least funded part of the animation project.
 
Much like American cars in the 1970s, and American motorcycles in the 1980s, the Japanese came in and ate them alive.

Lord knows even Japanese studios today are nothing like the ones that wowed us 30-40 years ago.

And now the Chinese and Koreans are trying to eat into the Japanese, and it's not just animation and cars. Even though they still have flaws, with some being deadly, i.e. Chinesium car that trap people inside while their batteries spontaneously combust.
 
And now the Chinese and Koreans are trying to eat into the Japanese, and it's not just animation and cars. Even though they still have flaws, with some being deadly, i.e. Chinesium car that trap people inside while their batteries spontaneously combust.
I did read a story awhile back about a hack that revealed Chinese animation studios were actually fronts for North Koreans. They found Invincible shots in that data dump.
 
And now the Chinese and Koreans are trying to eat into the Japanese, and it's not just animation and cars. Even though they still have flaws, with some being deadly, i.e. Chinesium car that trap people inside while their batteries spontaneously combust.
See the thing with chink and gook cartoons and comics is that they're even more brainfucked and culturally weird than the nips and so it can be a bit of a hard sell when all they ever seem to write is shounen trash but worse.
 
Reminds me of the Tom and Jerry one, is it the same people?
Dear god it is.
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"Bluey is not an example of animation being a medium. Also stop ignoring foreign 2D animated movies."
As much as my nieces, nephews, and I enjoy Bluey, I agree. It's not the medium for animation. There have been cartoons like it that have done similar stories, but did it better than Bluey. It mostly boils down to childless adults who keep dick sucking Ludos and never watch anything else led alone actual adult content and I am sure there's going to be a cartoon that'll dethrone Bluey one day.
 
The return of baby looney tunes, but now in chibi animu form, I fucking hate it.
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Looney tunes but babies round 3, oh joy! (thanks warner bros consumer products, guess they want more jap money since the tom and jerry one they did a while back made a little bit of that sweet sweet jap money and yes this is the third time they did this if count tiny toon adventures)
 
Looney tunes but babies round 3, oh joy! (thanks warner bros consumer products, guess they want more jap money since the tom and jerry one they did a while back made a little bit of that sweet sweet jap money and yes this is the third time they did this if count tiny toon adventures)
this isn't going to be the only warner gokko product coming out, they're going to do it with scooby doo next year
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may god have mercy on our souls when the trailer for this comes out
 
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