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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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News time.

Let's start with the Torygraph repeating someone's shitty fanfiction about how a Reform win will usher in the end times.
Picture the scene. It’s the morning of June 29 2029. The police presence on Whitehall, awaiting the arrival of the newly elected prime minister, is the largest in history. The street is packed with furious protesters and jubilant supporters. The outgoing Labour PM – who had replaced Sir Keir Starmer a couple of years earlier – gives a short speech outside 10 Downing Street, and barely two hours later, to an almighty gust of booing and whooping, Nigel Farage stands behind the same lectern.
Is this your dream or your nightmare? Either way, it’s plausible. As the journalist Peter Chappell explains at the outset of his new book, as things stand in 2026, the party has “an army of nearly 300,000 members, an officer class of radical advisers and the support of Britain’s most generous political donors”. It’s consistently ahead in the polls, with Labour behind and the Conservatives nowhere. What If Reform Wins, then, offers a speculative account of the near future. It suggests what might happen in three years’ time if Farage converts that lead into victory – and the result, drawing on extensive interviews with real-life political experts, is by turns entertaining and downright terrifying.


First, with that election result comes a parliamentary revolution. “Starmer’s lawyers, journalists and doctors”, Chappell writes, “are trounced by veterans, self-employed accountants, professional landlords, driving instructors, pub landlords, farmers and call-centre managers, as well as financiers and landowners”. Danny Kruger enters the cabinet, and Robert Jenrick returns to it (despite having attempted an internal coup against Farage in 2028). Matt Goodwin manages, this time around, to beat his Green Party counterpart, and he enters the Commons too. Reform have an outright majority of 20 seats on a total of 335; Labour trail on 124, the Lib Dems on 70, and the Tories on a mere 23. Female representation drops to 22 per cent. Rishi Sunak loses his seat. Liz Truss hangs around Westminster hoping Farage will give her a job (he doesn’t).
Reform’s successful campaign promised a boycott of Turkish barbers, council-regulated quotas on the number of vape shops and a pledge to “de-Islamify” Britain. The party is now seen as indistinguishable from its official mouthpiece, GB News. In one of the funniest scenes envisioned by Chappell, a sequin-clad Dame Andrea Jenkyns turns up at the broadcaster to mark her party’s victory by singing a specially composed anthem: “When Britain first, at heaven’s command / Arose from out the turquoise main…” She goes on and on, and has to have her microphone cut.

A radical manifesto they can’t deliver on​

Farage is jubilant, and celebrates with abundant red wine. The next morning, he uses his first address to Britain to lay out his plans: Reform will withdraw the country from the ECHR, abolish indefinite leave to remain, disapply the Refugee Convention, dramatically expand deportations, boost detention capacity, defund the BBC, scrap net zero, repeal the Human Rights Act, cut disability benefits and “drain the Whitehall swamp”. Within a week, the Ministry of Defence has been renamed the War Office, Defra has become the Department for Water and Food Security, and the existing cabinet secretary has been sacked.
Almost immediately, things start to go wrong.
The SNP declares its intention to hold an immediate independence referendum, leaving Farage facing the prospect, should he lose, of becoming the PM who broke the United Kingdom. Internal tensions among Reform’s cavalier crew break out. Richard Tice, Farage’s chancellor, and Zia Yusuf, the policy unit chief, can’t stand each other. Dominic Cummings has been hired as an adviser, but that predictably ends in his flouncing out. The PM struggles to get the new British Bill of Rights through the Commons; all the usual behind-the-scenes deals with opposition parties, to avoid getting snarled up in Parliament’s arcane procedures, have fallen by the wayside.
Then, in Kent, at Manston detention centre, riots break out. They culminate in the “Battle of Manston”, in which a Left-wing march to the site leads to chaos erupting, the place catching fire, migrants being beaten by police then escaping into the countryside, and home secretary Lee Anderson resigning. A snap poll in October puts Farage’s ratings at the lowest they’ve been since before his sudden rise in 2025.


Things go from bad to worse. Flash floods in Bristol devastate the city, killing four people. Reform has decimated the Environment Agency, so help isn’t easily forthcoming. The Army, so often Britain’s saviour in such moments, can’t help: its troops are on standby because Farage has accidentally almost started a war in the Falklands over oil drilling. (JD Vance, the US president refuses to back Farage, and in punishment recognises the islands as the Islas Malvinas.) An accident at a fracking project in Kent, green-lit by the government, pollutes its formerly “gin-clear” riverbeds. The Fourth Estate is under siege, too: Comcast Corporation buys ITV and merges Sky and ITN, and the government turns its fire on the BBC, hounding out the director-general and installing Paul Dacre at the top.
Things come to a dramatic head after 15 months, in October 2030. Four weeks before Tice delivers his second Budget, Farage learns that the government’s decision to withdraw from the ECHR is, in the European Union’s eyes, a violation of the Trade and Cooperation Agreement signed by Boris Johnson in 2020. Without the TCA, the government faces, at long last, a no-deal Brexit. It will mean “tariffs imposed on goods and services, customs checks causing chaos at the border and a sea battle over fishing rights”. European goods look set to disappear from Britain’s supermarkets. House prices are likely to fall. Peace in Northern Ireland seems precarious.
Despite this, Tice presses ahead with his key announcements: a rise of the income tax threshold to £17,000; the abolition of the triple lock; a charge on NHS services. He also reduces Britain’s nuclear deterrent. The markets do not, to put it politely, react well. The whipping operation to get the Budget through the Commons fails dramatically. And at that point, Farage loses a vote of no confidence.

At this juncture, Chappell lays out two scenarios. In the first, Farage’s wife, Laure, tells him it’s time to stop, and he concurs. The PM goes to see the King – who, by this point, is 81 years old and grievously unwell – and tenders his resignation; His Majesty invites Jenrick to form a government, but it’s clear that Reform has irrevocably split, and a new general election has to be called. There, one version of the story ends.
But an alternative scenario, Chappell suggests, is more plausible. He cites one of the many sources on which he has drawn in writing this speculative account: “When asked to imagine Farage listening to someone telling him to stand down, one former Reform insider said: ‘Nobody could do it, Nigel’s an autocrat.’” It’s therefore more likely, Chappell suggests, that Farage would go rogue. “In this scenario, with a radical Right-wing Reform government unable to pass a budget and teetering on the brink of collapse, and Farage… holed up in Downing Street, it’s perfectly possible that he simply refuses to leave office.”

Farage vs the King​

Even the pleas of the King, in line with the sovereign’s constitutional function, aren’t enough to sway the PM. Farage instead attempts to cut a deal with the SNP, in return for a commitment to hold an independence referendum – a deal that risks destroying the UK. It is, in any case, publicly rejected, and with disgust, by the nationalist leader John Swinney. The House of Commons is in disarray; the Speaker won’t take her seat. Even the Chaplain refuses to pray before debates. In desperation, the Speaker’s deputy convenes a plan: Parliament will pass a humble address to the monarch, which will enable the King to demand Farage’s resignation. This is done – yet Farage still refuses to go. With all other options exhausted, an arrest is considered. The military, loyal to the Royal family, will, if needed, be sent into 10 Downing Street.
Laure once again goes into Farage’s study, through the fug of cigarette smoke, to tell her husband the game is up. And finally, Farage sees reality. He quits and leaves in disgrace. An election is soon called, and after barely a year and a half in office, Reform is swept away. Chappell doesn’t predict which party takes power, but he notes that “it takes a year for the next prime minister to get the smell of cigarettes and the red wine stains out of the carpet”.
Chappell – as you might have gleaned – doesn’t attempt to mask his dislike of Reform. He introduces this book by suggesting that “each chapter is also an act of imagination intended to illustrate the vulnerability of Britain’s unwritten constitution, defunded institutions and fraying political norms to a hostile takeover”. What he illustrates is definitely a worst-case scenario.

But is it plausible, or merely ridiculous? To my mind, it’s a bit of both. Based on what Farage and Reform have promised should they be elected, Chappell’s scenarios have a ring of truth. It’s entirely possible, for instance, that if taken to their logical conclusion, Farage’s promises to crack down on immigration and withdraw from the ECHR at top speed would result in the political chaos Chappell outlines.
And when you look at some of Reform’s more dubious supporters, it seems possible that with the party in power, Tommy Robinson might become mainstream, and that there might indeed emerge a sinister figure such as Chappell’s fictional Dan Sambrook, the Reform-ist intellectual who promotes the strategy of “remigration”, or the forced mass deportation of foreign-born residents – a proposal which, to be fair, Chappell imagines the Reform government dismissing out of hand.
As for that government itself, you can only imagine it facing self-inflicted infighting. In the course of working on this piece, for example, the news broke that the property investment company owned by Richard Tice broke the law by failing to pay tens of thousands of pounds in tax. Reform has no experience of government, no institutional knowledge – the things you need simply to make a government work, and that’s when you haven’t also declared hostility to every institution and civil servant around.

Still, would so many things really go so wrong? Would Farage really be so intransigent if given the reins of power, and a chance to enact the policies that he has pushed for so long? In some ways, Chappell’s book reads like Sue Townsend’s 1992 novel The Queen and I, in which a radical republican government boots the Royal family out of their palaces and sends them to live on a council estate – a scenario which does, indeed, turn out to be a nightmare, but hardly feels like it could plausibly happen by the end of this decade.
Then again, beware: recent global events have shown that it’s wise to take seriously what a radical outsider promises to do if elected. At the very least, it’s worth scrutinising carefully what Farage and Reform are promising, and how likely they seem to deliver it. Chappell has done so, and not by inventing things wholesale, but through weaving a narrative out of many interviews with people in the know: “Reform insiders, past and present, government ministers, civil servants, constitutional academics”, and more. What If Reform Wins? gives us one version of the future. Maybe it isn’t far from the truth.
It's genuinely pathetic that the Telegraph tried to lend this alternative history even a veneer of credibility.

Lest anyone think the shoplifting activists stopped.
Eve Middleton was sitting on a picnic blanket in a park, sharing out vegan biscuits with six fellow activists, when she saw a squad of police bearing down on them. About 30 officers, she said, surrounded the seven young people, and one officer told them: “Don’t run or you’ll be cuffed.”
Another officer focused on gathering evidence. “Whose Oreos are these?” they asked, seizing the biscuits.

“It was pretty farcical, but it’s still frightening when you see that amount of officers running towards you. It’s pretty scary,” said student Bridie Leggatt, another of the seven.
The seven activists had gathered for a “nonviolence training event” – meeting in the park to enjoy the sunny weather.

Leggatt, 22, and Middleton, 25, were among 13 people arrested last weekend in Salford and London as part of a national police crackdown on a new civil resistance group called Take Back Power.
A further 15 arrests had been made in March when police raided a “nonviolence training” event, this time at the Grade II-listed Quaker House in Westminster.
They were all held on suspicion of conspiracy to commit theft, police said, linked to Take Back Power’s campaign of “mass shoplifting” in supermarkets across Britain in a protest against inequality.
On TikTok, the group’s videos show activists of all ages “liberating” rice, pasta, beans, nappies, stock cubes and tinned fruit from supermarkets in Cornwall, London and Manchester.
They pile the goods into cardboard boxes branded with the message: “These things are going to those who need them.” The items are then distributed at local food banks – if they manage to get past security.
Even by today’s standards of shoplifting, when supermarket thefts have reached record highs, the mass looting is quite brazen.
Steph Parker, an assistant chief constable at Greater Manchester police, said forces would take “robust action to disrupt this type of organised criminality and it will not be tolerated”.
Middleton and her six comrades were held in custody for 24 hours before being released on Monday. For Middleton, like many of the activists, this is not her first encounter with the law.
Many of those involved with the group are seasoned activists – despite being in their early 20s – having taking part in actions with Extinction Rebellion, Just Stop Oil, Animal Rising and other groups in recent years. Neither Middleton or Leggatt wanted to say how many times they had been arrested as they feared a telling off from their parents.
Take Back Power announced itself in December when activists threw custard and apple crumble at a case containing the crown jewels at the Tower of London.

Eight people were charged with criminal damage over the stunts, with four due to appear before Westminster magistrates court on Monday. The group said a total of 50 people had been arrested since December, with the majority detained while taking part in “nonviolence training” events.
On its website, activists are invited to join upcoming action in London “targeting the luxury lifestyle of the super-rich” by “occupying where they play and shop”.
A spokesperson for Take Back Power, who would only give his name as James due to the risk of arrest, said the group planned further headline-grabbing stunts this year with the aim of focusing attention on Britain’s deepening inequality.
James said the organisation, which wants to see higher taxes levied on the rich and a legally binding citizens’ assembly, had no leader “as such”. It has raised more than £65,000 in donations in the past four months, according to a fundraising page.
Another of those arrested last weekend, who would only give his name as Mark, said mass shoplifting would have “no real effect” on supermarkets who make billions of pounds in profit.
“Supermarkets are profiting off other people’s misery and we can’t put up with that,” said Middleton, pointing out that Tesco’s chief executive, Ken Murphy, was paid £9.2m last year, about 400 times that of the shop’s typical worker.
What about the effect on low-paid staff? Will they not risk losing their jobs if mass shoplifting has an effect on company profits?
“It shouldn’t be staff that get cut,” said Mark, 44, who works in education. “What should get cut are the obscene profits and salaries of the chief executives.”

The vegan picnic raided by police last weekend was in Salford’s Peel Park – named after Sir Robert Peel, the founder of modern law enforcement whose philosophy of “policing by consent” is a guiding principle of forces today, recognising that those in uniform operate on the basis of public trust rather than fear or force.

Yet the arrests of activists at a training event – rather than for a specific act – appears to run counter to that principle, said Middleton.
Parliament’s joint committee on human rights has condemned legislative changes in recent years that it said (pdf) have had “a chilling effect” on the right to protest in England and Wales.
Middleton said the arrests on suspicion of being involved in a conspiracy was part of a wider “repression” of civil resistance in Britain.
“Other groups were able to take part in training without everyone getting arrested,” she said. “For doing not as much, the risk of prison is a lot higher.”
James, the Take Back Power spokesperson, said the group planned to build up its action with the aim of pushing inequality to the top of the agenda by the next general election, which has to be held by August 2029.
Middleton believes the police crackdown is a sign that the authorities are scared.
“They can see that Take Back Power does speak to a lot of this country’s people [who are] fed up with inequality. They are scared of what it could become.”
I actively despise these people and have underlined the bit that shows how retarded they are as well as that this particular moron is involved in "education."

Stamer's lawyer buddy has his chat leaked showing his priority is lying Iraqi's (who he was warned were lying) rather than the country's military.
Lord Hermer pursued a notorious “witch hunt” against British troops despite being warned that the allegations were lies, The Telegraph can disclose.
An investigation by this newspaper can reveal the Attorney General’s leading role in the Al-Sweady scandal, which left decorated war heroes facing false accusations of murder and torture for more than a decade.
Emails and legal documents show that Sir Keir Starmer’s closest Cabinet ally acted as lead counsel in civil claims against the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and pressed for lucrative compensation despite mounting evidence that his eight Iraqi clients were “on the make”.
The Attorney General later insisted that it made no difference whether his clients were “a saint or a member of al-Qaeda” while suing British troops under human rights laws.
One leading lawyer has now called for Lord Hermer to face a misconduct investigation over his part in the scandal, while a former head of the Army said his role was tantamount to “treason”.
The compensation case centred on claims brought by Iraqis who alleged that British troops had tortured and executed civilians after the Battle of Danny Boy in southern Iraq in 2004.
Lord Hermer, the PM's closest Cabinet ally
Lord Hermer, the PM’s closest Cabinet ally, pressed on with claims despite repeated warnings that his eight Iraqi clients were ‘on the make’ Credit: Wiktor Szymanowicz
But after years of investigations, the £31m Al-Sweady public inquiry ruled that the allegations were “deliberate lies” driven by “ingrained hostility” towards the British Army.
Lord Hermer’s clients had claimed to be innocent farmers and labourers, but they were instead revealed to be members of the Mahdi Army – an Islamist insurgent group backed by Iran’s hardline Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.
The British troops were fully exonerated in 2014, and the scandal led to disciplinary investigations into a number of human rights lawyers, including the disgraced solicitor Phil Shiner, who was struck off and later convicted of fraud.

The Telegraph has obtained more than 25,000 pages of documents revealing Lord Hermer’s involvement in the case for nearly a decade.
Working closely with leading human rights solicitor Martyn Day, Lord Hermer attempted to secure taxpayer-funded settlements before the Iraqis’ lies could be exposed at the Al-Sweady inquiry.
By then, he had already been warned that his clients could be exposed as “on the make” and that their allegations were “nonsense”.
Other internal emails show Lord Hermer, then a senior barrister in private practice, advising on how Shiner could “get the big story out there” and “generate sufficient interest” while admitting there needed to be “wriggle room if the killings did not in fact happen”.

Sent February 17 2008, 20:24
From: "Richard Hermer" <########>
To: "Martyn Day" <########>
Subject: Re: Majar
M - I think the line to Phil works in getting the balance between making sure that the big story is out there whilst giving us some wriggle room if the killings did not in fact happen. Do you need to be slightly more explicit in the Press Release about ‘evidence raising serious concerns of executions of prisoners’ in order to generate sufficient interest or will the Today interview naturally bring in the punters later that morning (have you thought about a further press release late Thurs or early Fri referring to the Today interview?)
Of some use if you face hostile questions might be the fact that when the allegations of mistreatment of Iraqis first came out in the press a few years ago there was an enormous media and army campaign to describe the allegations as scrullious (you might recall Piers Morgan was sacked for running mock photos that later were demonstrated to be exactly what happened at Breadbasket) - that in itself justifies the need to take these allegations seriously and to ensure the most rigorous of investigations (indeed, you can argue that it would be unfair on the Army not to without the fullest of investigations they will not be able to remove doubt that they were involved, if they are innocent they deserve the fullest Investigation so that that can be made crystal clear.

L/Cpl Brian Wood, who was decorated with the Military Cross but later found himself falsely accused of war crimes by Lord Hermer’s clients, called on the Attorney General to resign.
He said: “I have gone through hell for years. It’s disgusting that Hermer is Attorney General. He pursued us in a witch hunt and yet is now the senior lawyer in Government. That is just wrong … he was representing the people trying to kill us.”

L/Cpl Wood said he had gone ‘through hell for years’ and Lord Hermer should resign
Hilary Meredith, who represented a number of soldiers falsely accused of war crimes at Danny Boy, said: “Richard Hermer’s role should now be subject to an inquiry by the Bar Standards Board.
“This was the worst case ever of soldiers, who had fought so bravely in that battle, being dragged through the mud for years. The psychological damage it caused was unbelievable.”

Gen Sir Peter Wall, the former head of the Army who oversaw UK forces in Basra, said: “I well recall all the allegations against the British Army in Iraq. We now know that in many cases they were completely spurious.
“If Richard Hermer was involved in these claims then it is incredible he can be Attorney General overseeing the legal basis for future military operations. The orchestrated claims against British troops involved in the Battle of Danny Boy were tantamount to treason.”

The revelations will raise serious questions about Lord Hermer’s judgment in his role as the Government’s most senior legal adviser.
Sir Keir elevated his long time friend to the House of Lords in 2024 in order to appoint him Attorney General, selecting him over Emily Thornberry who held the shadow role before Labour took power.
Since taking up office, Lord Hermer has played a key role in plans to hand over the Chagos Islands to Mauritius, a decision which has caused major diplomatic arguments with Donald Trump.
The Telegraph revealed in January that Lord Hermer, alongside Sir Keir, helped extend human rights laws to overseas war zones in the mid-2000s, enabling Iraqis to sue British veterans.

Two decades later, they are accused of trying to change Northern Ireland law in a move that could see Troubles veterans facing further “witch hunts”, prompting serving SAS troops to resign in protest.
On Wednesday, a spokesman for Lord Hermer said that he had “always acted with the highest professional standards, and the suggestion the Attorney acted for individuals with the knowledge that their claims were false is categorically untrue”.

Lord Hermer said in a witness statement that he became “substantially” involved in the case in 2008.
He was acting on a conditional fee arrangement – often known as “no-win, no-fee” – meaning he chose to take on the case rather than being required to do so under the cab rank rule that obliges barristers to accept cases regardless of the client or cause. Lord Hermer stood to gain a substantial fee if the Al-Sweady claims succeeded.
In January 2008, after reviewing witness statements alleging murder and torture by British troops, Lord Hermer wrote: “I’ve started reading the statements – very powerful (these Iraqi cases are a good reminder of why I wanted to be a lawyer).”

But, doubts about the claimants’ accounts surfaced almost immediately.
Within a week, Lord Hermer received an internal document from his instructing solicitors warning that some of the claims were “implausible”. The document highlighted inconsistencies in their accounts, including one who claimed to have taken a taxi to buy yogurt only to end up in a battle zone.

“Question: is it likely that a farmer would not recognise the farmers' fields adjacent to his own? These men may have been fighters…”
“Taxi story sounds counter-intuitive: why ride to a remote location for a two-minute shopping expedition and dismiss your taxi?”
“Why mop if you intend to kill multiple people in the same place afterwards?”
Three of a dozen concerns identified by a Leigh Day paralegal in an analysis of the detainee witness statements, sent to Lord Hermer by email
Around the same time, Lord Hermer was consulted by Mr Day and Shiner over plans for a press conference accusing the British military of covering up killings, as part of an effort to force a public inquiry.
Lord Hermer said they needed “wriggle room if the killings did not in fact happen”, showing that he understood the claims might not stand up.
He also advised: “Do you need to be slightly more explicit in the press release about ‘evidence raising serious concerns of executions of prisoners’ in order to generate sufficient interest, or will the Today interview naturally bring in the punters later that morning?”
The solicitors appeared to take that as encouragement to go further. Mr Day wrote to Shiner: “What do you think – do we need to up the ante?” Shiner replied: “I think R [Richard] is right, so let’s up the ante.”

Sent February 18 2008, 07:58
From: "Martyn Day" <########>
To: "Phil Shiner" <########>
Subject: FW: Majar
Phil I sent Richard the notice to get an outside view- see his comments in his first para. What do you think- do we need to up the ante? M.
[Forwarded message]
Sent February 18 2008, 09:20
From: "Phil Shiner" <########>
To: "Martyn Day" <########>
Subject: RE: Majar
I have a few thoughts
It is no means certain Today will go with it so we should not rely on them
I think r is right so let’s up the ante
I am sure we will be fully prepared for any hostille qs, so that does not concern me

The two solicitors then “added” a line about claims of murder and torture to their press release. At the press conference, Shiner also accused the military of a “My Lai”-style atrocity, invoking the Vietnam massacre.

Transcript:
Tim [Harris, solicitor at Simmons & Simmons]: So I mean here Richard, he sort of encourages you to up the ante and then the press release is, I think the original one didn't include the, this final language, which says "detainees alleged they witnessed the torture and execution of many of their countrymen", so that wasn't, that was omitted from the first draft that you sent to Richard, then Richard suggested that, do you need to be slightly more explicit in the press release about evidence raising serious concerns of execution of prisoners in order to generate sufficient interest, as I think as a result of his intervention the...
Martyn [Day]: We added that bit in?
Tim: Yeah.
Martyn: Yep.
Tim: The idea was to “up the ante”, so it looks like he’s a bit more, was he a bit more bullish at that stage?
Martyn Day being interviewed by Tim Harris, a solicitor at Simmons & Simmons, the firm appointed by the SRA to investigate Leigh Day following the Al-Sweady Inquiry

But Lord Hermer said in a witness statement in 2016 that “... on the basis of what was known at the time I do not consider that I would have found the commentary troubling from a professional propriety perspective”.
The documents show Lord Hermer continued to pursue compensation worth hundreds of thousands of pounds for his clients, despite being been shown mounting evidence that their stories were lacking in credibility.

Further documents over the years steadily weakened the case. Lord Hermer was told the massacre allegations were “less clear” than first presented and lacked sufficient evidential basis. By 2011, he had also been informed that some detainees were convicted members of the Mahdi Army, directly contradicting their claims to be innocent civilians.
He was also provided with internal assessments in 2013 showing that key elements of the claims did not add up. Some alleged injuries were given a value of £0 because there was “no evidence”, while others were heavily discounted because of serious concerns about credibility.

Hussain Fadhil Abbas
Claim
Said he was ‘an innocent taxi driver who was captured by British troops after popping out to collect 40 litres of yoghurt, a traditional Iraqi wedding gift’.
Truth
The inquiry chairman described his claim to have been out buying two-thirds of his body weight in yogurt as ‘deliberate and calculated lies’, and found he played a ‘willing and active’ role in the ambush.

Abbas Abid Ali
Claim
Said he was bringing in the harvest when the battle broke out and the British soldier who took him captive kicked him in the head but could not recall on which side.

Truth
The inquiry accepted the military’s evidence that Abbas was an insurgent. The officer he surrendered to said he carried a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, with AK47 magazines stuffed into his chest webbing.

Hussein Jabbari Ali
Claim
Said he was cutting grass when bullets and shells began flying over his head. He alleged that he heard eight Iraqis being executed in the British camp.
Truth
The inquiry found he had been armed with an AK47, ‘intent upon ambushing the British military’. The claimants themselves admitted none of their countrymen had been murdered.
See the claim

By early 2013, as the inquiry prepared to hear evidence, even the claimants’ own lawyers believed the case was likely to collapse.
On March 5, Mr Day told Lord Hermer it was “odds-on likely” the claims would be found to be “nonsense” and politically or financially motivated. And Mr Day privately described the claimants as “lying Bs”.
In one email sent to Lord Hermer, Mr Day wrote:
Sent March 5 2013, 06:28
From: Martyn Day
To: Sapna Malik, Richard Hermer
CC: Anna Crowther
Subject: RE: AI Sweady PRIV
The issue for me is this.
Obviously if we put forward this figure the MoD will say no deal and will all get put off to the end of the Inquiry. At the end of the Inquiry it seems to me odds on likely we are going to get a judgment that the claims are nonsense and that this was a group of Iraqis on the make, politically or financially motivated. That is was an outrageous slur for these cases to be brought and a waste of taxpayers money for the Inquiry to even have been held.

Lawyers warned that once the Iraqis gave oral evidence, their credibility could unravel. Discussion turned to securing a settlement before that happened, with concerns that any MoD offer might be withdrawn once the weaknesses in the case were exposed.
Despite that, Lord Hermer supported pressing for significantly higher settlements. He advised that counter-offers of £45,000 to £55,000 per claimant would be “low risk”, and at one stage suggested the cases could be delayed until after the inquiry.
On March 6, a letter approved by Lord Hermer was sent to the Iraqi clients containing “strong advice” to accept the Ministry of Defence’s settlement offer “without delay”.

Mahdi Jassim Abdullah
Claim
Said to have an innocent reason for being at the battle but could not decide whether it was ‘to cut grass or to irrigate the land or to do some studying’ or a combination of those reasons.
Truth
The chairman attributed Mahdi’s uncertainty to his ‘inept, dishonest and untruthful attempts to provide an innocent explanation for his presence on the battlefield’, and said he was an armed insurgent.

Ahmed Jabbar Ahmood
Claim
Said he had taken the day off school on May 14, 2004 and was harvesting crops with a sickle when bullets began flying from all directions.
Truth
The inquiry found he had ‘deliberately lied’ about his reason for being in the fields, concluding that, rather than an agricultural tool, he had been armed with an AK47.

Atiyah Sayid Abdelreza
Claim
Said he was captured by British troops after inadvertently wandering into the firefight while grazing his brother’s cows.
Truth
He repeatedly changed the number of cows his brother owned and the location of the farm. The chairman said the ‘obvious’ explanation for this was that his account was ‘a deliberate lie.’


Khuder Al Sweady
Claim
Presented himself as nothing more than a grieving uncle, claiming his 19-year-old nephew, Hamid, had been tortured and executed by British troops after being captured alive.
Truth
Has been accused of being a member of the Mahdi Army, and the public inquiry found that Hamid was killed in action, having been ‘actively participating in the armed ambush of British troops’.

Lord Hermer said they would be “foolish to reject” the chance of a settlement. They received nothing after Leigh Day dropped them as clients in January 2015 because of their lack of credibility.
Hermer insisted claims were ‘viable’
Even then, Lord Hermer was still insisting the Iraqis’ claims for unlawful detention were viable “as a matter of law” and “regardless of credibility issues”, according to a tribunal document.
Lord Hermer went on to give evidence in support of Mr Day and two partners at Leigh Day at a Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal in 2017, three years after the Al-Sweady Inquiry had ruled the claims bogus.
The Leigh Day solicitors and the firm itself were cleared of all wrongdoing by the disciplinary panel.
The lawyers were found not to have been in breach of professional obligations by continuing to act for any of the Al-Sweady claimants. A spokesman for Leigh Day said that “the claims of the Detainees for mistreatment were not, at any point, so without merit that the firm was professionally obliged to stop acting for them”.

The false allegations were exposed in part by a detainee list proving that the captured Iraqis were members of the Mahdi Army. Although the list had been passed to Leigh Day in 2004, it was not disclosed to the inquiry until 2013.
Lord Hermer insisted that even if he had seen the list earlier, it would have made “absolutely no difference” under Article 2 of human rights laws.
Lord Hermer had been involved in the case since 2005 and was formally instructed by Leigh Day from 2008.
The legal claims were lodged in the High Court in 2010, but never officially served on the Ministry of Defence. The claims were quietly dropped in 2015 after the public inquiry’s devastating findings.

In response to questions about the press conference, a spokesman for the Attorney General said Lord Hermer “did a small amount of work at the start of this case, where he made clear that serious allegations at the time needed further investigation”.
“The Attorney argued it would be unfair on armed services personnel if they didn’t have the opportunity to show their innocence through a proper investigation.”
On the civil claims, his spokesman said that “the Attorney General had minimal involvement in the Al-Sweady claims, limited to a small number of hours between 2008 and 2013”.
The spokesman added: “As soon as the Solicitors Regulation Authority case was brought forward, the Attorney General was clear in his condemnation for the reprehensible behaviour of Mr Shiner, that rightly led to him being disqualified and successfully prosecuted.”
Done formatting mostly, the transcripts and claims are scattered around the article making it tricky reading. Conclusion even allowing for that is that any UK soldier going into a conflict under this administration would be insane.
 
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Let's start with the Torygraph repeating someone's shitty fanfiction about how a Reform win will usher in the end times.
Ahhh the memories, really takes me back to when the Daily Mail would dedicate 4 page spreads to althis wankery of General Secretary Scargill and the like, it's odd to see that sort of stuff punching right though. The most ridiculous aspect of it has to be the thought niggel would listen to his wife though, that's some top tier projection, a little bit of a Freudian slip with it all going wrong when the leftoids start burning things too.
 
A good thing considering how little Asians typically eat. As the Japanese diet continues to Westernize with more and more animal protein showing up their women are getting more and more... developed.
Great got the fucking antivegan yellow fever feeders now. Truly the entirety of 2015 encapsulated in a single comment.
 
Why do Somalis look so different compared to American nogs(like Obama) who look relatively normal?
Slaves disproportionately came from West Africa, Genetically distinct from Somalia thousands of miles away.
comparing ABGs (American Asian women) with Asian women
Azns disproportionately came from Guangdong and Fujian. Genetically distinct from many other areas of China thousands of miles away.
 
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Isn't it crazy how niggers have culturally appropriated the word slave? If you say slave everyone just goes yea black guy. As an Irishman I am going to round up all the fucking poles I work with and I am going to take them to america with me and demand all the niggers bow down and kiss my feet for stealing my culture for their own political gain. Fuckers stole chicken too. If they don't bow down and praise the glory of the ccp every time they take a bite from that fried chicken they should be shot. Grapes too. The only black thing that's actually black are watermelons and absentee fathers which yea they can keep those two disgusting things.

Next you'll be telling me the gays stole the word faggot instead of heretics in general.
 
The only black thing that's actually black are watermelons
Turks and Uzbeks would argue against that one, too. Uzbek watermelons are the absolute chef’s kiss of the melon family.


I mean jeez, if only there was a clue in the first entire four letters of the five letter word as to who it originally referred to. A true mystery.
Pretty sure they can make up some word and claim it’s from ancient Egypt (the black version), where they was de original kangz.

The only reason the black power/slave thin took off in the US is the same reason the gay and then tranny thing took off - the society became so coddled by financial success and a great standard of living that they could afford to give money to those less fortunate. And if there’s two things a yank loves, it’s free money and a good underdog story. It’s all just Hollywood bullshit. Hilarious to watch the people involved believing they’re so anti-establishment, when they’re the direct expression of it (and a controlled ‘opposition’ that isn’t really).
 
I love this site because of the fucking wack conspiracy theories it creates. Where else in the world can you find someone wishing death on a company because of vacuum packed mince meat?
I’m on board with hating the vac packed mince - it doesn’t taste good, and its texture is changed by the packaging. It sucks and I refuse to buy it.
I’ve noticed a significant decline in the quality of all forms of produce since Covid. Meat and veg, everything is lower quality,
We are getting towards summer now and I cannot wait to have some homegrown veg that tastes like actual veg instead of watery veg shaped mush.
 
More news, the last article wound me up enough that I stopped.

Time for Blair to give his input on Labour policies. No benefits for the mentals.
The government should introduce an "emergency handbrake" to cut the number of people who are receiving health and disability benefits, a think tank says.

The Tony Blair Institute (TBI) says people diagnosed with conditions such as mild depression or ADHD should not be eligible for cash benefits.

It argues such conditions should be classed as "non-work limiting" - with people offered support rather than money.

Ministers said they would "consider the report" but learning disability charity Mencap called the proposals "deeply unhelpful and ill-informed."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj924xvzrr2o
The government tabled plans to restrict eligibility for disability benefits last year, but ended up largely gutting its own plans after a revolt from Labour MPs.

It says it remains committed to making sure the system is "fit for the future", but this work now depends on a review led by Social Security Minister Sir Stephen Timms, expected later this year.

With 1,000 people a day becoming eligible for health and disability benefits, the Conservatives and Reform UK have urged more restrictive qualification criteria, particularly for people with conditions such as anxiety.

In March, the Office for Budget Responsibility forecast that spending on health and sickness benefits for working age people would reach £78.1bn by 2029-30, a 15% increase on this year.

The TBI argues that the government should immediately implement a series of changes to reduce the number of people claiming these benefits.

The think tank, which was set up by the former PM and describes itself as non-partisan, says ministers should create a new category of "non-work limiting conditions", which would apply to anxiety or stress-related disorders.

Researchers also said the new category should cover lower back pain, common musculoskeletal conditions and neurodevelopmental disorders where evidence shows they are compatible with work.

They say these changes could be introduced without the the need for a full act of Parliament, whilst more detailed reform proposals are developed.

'Long-term dependency'​

They have also suggested every claimant should have a diagnosis for a condition before applying for benefits, with more frequent and rigorous reassessment of those on sickness benefits.

While they have been unable to say how much these measures would save, or how many recipients would lose their entitlement to benefits, they say savings should be re-invested into employment support and treatment, particularly for mental health and musculoskeletal conditions.

"The system is drawing too many people into long-term dependency for conditions that are often treatable and compatible with work, and not doing enough to support recovery," said Dr Charlotte Refsu, a former GP and director of health policy at the institute.

"Clarity about what isn't a work-limiting condition ensures people get the treatment and support they need.

"A system that leaves people on benefits without timely treatment or a route back to work is not compassionate – it is bad for the country and bad for people's health."

'Deeper anxiety'​

Polling of more than 4,000 adults across Great Britain, conducted by YouGov for the TBI, suggests 54% of voters believe the welfare system is too easy to access, and does not do enough to prevent misuse.

Supporting people into appropriate work, rather than giving them benefits, would have several advantages, say the researchers, including reducing social isolation and increasing mobility and independence.

But Mencap, a learning disability charity, said the proposals ignored the "lived reality of people with a learning disability and plays to a populist trope about welfare".

Its chief executive Jon Sparkes said: "Slapping labels on people and denying them benefits will not tackle the root cause.

"It will push people into deeper anxiety, misery and poverty. That's not reform, it's a recipe for making things worse."

Earlier this month the government cut the amount that new claimants can receive for the health-related element of Universal Credit by up to 50%.

The Department for Work and Pensions said it had already "rebalanced" Universal Credit to save £1bn.

A spokesperson for the department added it had also "increased face-to-face assessments and improved use of NHS evidence - all while ensuring those who genuinely can't work are always protected".

"We will consider the TBI's report," they added.
Unsurprisingly he also wants rid of the state pension
The triple lock should be scrapped, Sir Tony Blair’s think tank has said in a proposal for the biggest overhaul of the state pension since it was introduced in 1948.

The Tony Blair Institute has issued a new report calling for the state pension to be replaced with a “Lifespan Fund” that it claims is “built for longer and more fluid lives”.

It argues the state pension is “outdated, increasingly unaffordable, and too rigid for the way people live and work” because it concentrates state-supported income support at retirement.

The triple lock is a government guarantee to increase the state pension each April by the highest of three metrics – average wage rises, inflation, or 2.5 per cent.

This is intended to protect pensioners’ incomes over time and is highly valuable to recipients. Critics say it is no longer affordable, but politicians have been loath to commit to changing it, given its popularity with older voters.

The full state pension is worth £241.30 a week, or £12,548 a year.

Defenders of the state pension note that the money paid out is spent back into the economy, which supports growth, but the TBI claims “reform is now unavoidable” since the number of pensioners will rise from 12.6 million now to 19 million by 2070.


The cost to the state could rise from 5 per cent of GDP now to 7.8 per cent by then – an extra £85bn a year.

In a recent report from Almond Financial, Britain had the 13th most generous state pension in Europe. Luxembourg was top, followed by Norway, Spain and Malta.


Tom Smith, director of economic policy at the Tony Blair Institute, said: “Britain’s state pension system was built for a different era. We can’t keep pouring money into a system that is increasingly unaffordable. Pension spending must be contained, and that means the triple lock cannot continue after the next election.

“Ending it will require political leadership from all parties – but that should only be the first step. Real reform must also build a better system: one that is fairer, more flexible, and designed for how people live today.”

Nigel Farage of Reform UK has recently pledged to keep the pension triple lock, but cut other welfare payments to pay for it.

Labour MP Graeme Downie said the triple lock should be reformed to fund an increase in defence spending.

He wrote in The House magazine that the government should be brave enough to ask older people who "benefited financially from peace" to make a greater contribution to future national security.

“If there is to be a true whole of society approach to defence, and younger people could be expected to die, what are older people willing to sacrifice?” he wrote.

The report calls for the recently re-established Pensions Commission to foster cross-party agreement before the next election, paving the way for the triple lock to be replaced from 2030 with a smoothed link to earnings.

Under the proposed Lifespan Fund, savers would build up entitlement through contributions across their lives – including through work, caring, study and other recognised activity.

They could bring forward some of those payments, for example, if unemployed or retraining.

People could choose when to convert their Lifespan Fund into a guaranteed pension for life, with the annual amount adjusted on an actuarially fair basis to reflect age and health.

Tom Smith added: “TBI’s proposed Lifespan Fund offers that better alternative. It replaces the one-size-fits-all state pension with a personalised system that people build up through active contribution across their lives. It gives people real freedom to use support earlier in life – to retrain, care for relatives or manage periods out of work – and to top it back up before retiring on their own terms. It is the upgrade Britain needs.”

AJ Bell director of public policy, Tom Selby, said: “A radical plan to overhaul the state pension and replace it with a more flexible system that allows people to take a lower income but start claiming earlier might seem sensible.”

“But the proposals are complex and the prospect of the government calculating an ‘actuarially fair’ retirement income for each individual based on key details like their personal health records feels somewhat dystopian, and would clearly be vulnerable to people gaming the system by overstating ill-health and habits like drinking and smoking.”
 
I’m on board with hating the vac packed mince - it doesn’t taste good, and its texture is changed by the packaging. It sucks and I refuse to buy it.
Buy mince from your local butcher.

(He said, from the comfort of New Zealand)

But, if you are anywhere near a patch of green, ask around your local farmers and buy an old fashioned mincing machine.
 
I've been listening to the mainstream discourse after this attack on 2 Jews. The culprit was a black Muslim yet all these establishment shills repeat the same talking points "we need tougher hate speech laws, more young (white) men are turning to the far right, tech companies must take down anti-Semitic content, free speech is just an excuse for hate speech." Was the far right responsible for this attack? No, but it does strengthen their message. The uniparty doesn't want people to notice patterns. This crime was caused by liberal policy. Open borders, multiculturalism, suicidal empathy.

Also notice how this attack happened right after MPs voted against the Mandelson inquiry? Hmmm....

I'm sorry for you bongs, but every country is dealing with this bullshit. "Regulate" is just another word for control. "Hate speech" is just another word for censorship. I hate these control freak parasites.
 
Unconfirmed reports (1, 2) of a girl being raped behind the County Hotel in Skegness some time last night or this morning. No updates from police and a lot of 'sources' are just saying 'a verifiable source told me someone was raped'. There's so many of these fucking patriot accounts reposting the same stuff, it glows. Hopefully it's not true.
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Nvrm it's been confirmed, I should have never doubted the Patriots. A 25 year old Sudanese man has been held on bail since the 26th regarding the incident.

Guess the name of the 19 year old who was arrested for a bomb hoax at the Peter Kay concert? Omar Majed!
There's also some shit going around about Shabana Mahmood's electoral ballots being fake? I don't really know/care because I'm just. sick of browns man. constant fucking scamming and lying and snaking.
 
Apologies if there is a thread on this but I cannot see one. Two people dead after an explosion in a house. My first thought was gas explosion however ......
Bomb squad in attendance but they have ruled out terrorism.
Armed police in attendance but they have ruled out terrorism.

"Avon and Somerset Police said the incident is not terror-related, but it has declared a major incident. Armed police swarmed the street and a bomb disposal team has also been deployed.
The cause of the incident is being treated as 'suspicious', but officers are not currently looking for anyone else in connection with the incident."
 
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Let's start with the Torygraph repeating someone's shitty fanfiction about how a Reform win will usher in the end times
Farage is jubilant, and celebrates with abundant red wine. The next morning, he uses his first address to Britain to lay out his plans
Choosing there to include a link to their wine review section is funnier than it has any right to be. Though of course, as we all know, the only way Farage would be addressing the nation after a Reform victory would be via Cameo, after he'd resigned, singing "Come Out Ye Black And Tans".
 
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Nvrm it's been confirmed, I should have never doubted the Patriots. A 25 year old Sudanese man has been held on bail since the 26th regarding the incident.

Guess the name of the 19 year old who was arrested for a bomb hoax at the Peter Kay concert? Omar Majed!
There's also some shit going around about Shabana Mahmood's electoral ballots being fake? I don't really know/care because I'm just. sick of browns man. constant fucking scamming and lying and snaking.
Every, single, day...
 
Apologies if there is a thread on this but I cannot see one. Two people dead after an explosion in a house. My first thought was gas explosion however ......
Bomb squad in attendance but they have ruled out terrorism.
Armed police in attendance but they have ruled out terrorism.

"Avon and Somerset Police said the incident is not terror-related, but it has declared a major incident. Armed police swarmed the street and a bomb disposal team has also been deployed.
The cause of the incident is being treated as 'suspicious', but officers are not currently looking for anyone else in connection with the incident."
Considering the timing of the explosion (6:30 AM) and size of it, it probably is just a gas leak that then got ignited (unless they're deliberately giving fake details to the press). Bomb houses making TATP tend to turn the whole house (and any homes attached to it) into rubble and smash all the windows in the street from the shockwave due to the sheer amount of TATP present. That's my guess anyways.
 
Considering the timing of the explosion (6:30 AM) and size of it, it probably is just a gas leak that then got ignited (unless they're deliberately giving fake details to the press). Bomb houses making TATP tend to turn the whole house (and any homes attached to it) into rubble and smash all the windows in the street from the shockwave due to the sheer amount of TATP present. That's my guess anyways.
While I also think it's probably a gas leak, the headlines are pretty quick to clarify if its a gas leak. There was a gas explosion in Bham a few years ago and the headlines were all encouraging people to check their boilers. I've never heard of the fucking bomb squad getting called in, it's usually British Gas.
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Sabine Mairey, who was suspended from the Greens due to anti-semitism, has been seen out campaigning in London.
.@ZackPolanski said this morning these candidates aren’t welcome in his party. So why is Sabine Mairey - arrested for antisemitism on Thursday - still out campaigning with them in Lambeth?
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While I also think it's probably a gas leak, the headlines are pretty quick to clarify if its a gas leak. There was a gas explosion in Bham a few years ago and the headlines were all encouraging people to check their boilers. I've never heard of the fucking bomb squad getting called in, it's usually British Gas.
Well surely the bomb squad would get there before the headlines were written? Big explosion, ok probably a gas leak, let's send the bomb squads to be safe, yep it's a gas leak, tell the press it's a gas leak. It could just be a preemptive thing considering the massive amount of terrorist attacks recently. It's not like they would have the time to sit and think who to send, it's probably just 'anyone who can fucking get there this instant'.
 
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