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[A-№1]

Idaho has been a hotbed of white supremacist movements in the past.

That was my point. Stupid hollywood stereotypical "southern" racist bullshit is not cartographically dependant. Those Idaho schmucks did seem to want to go out of their way to become a caricature of themselves, though.

Haha, hey, I drink most of it normally, but still, I paid for my booze, damnit, I'm going to drink all of my booze.

It almost pains me to read that.

Spoiler

Unless you specifically want your drink watered, consider requesting a chilled glass instead of on the rocks. Your drink will taste better, and you'll get more of it.

He'd also be in the right age group to have had D.A.R.E. in his schools too.

I thought DARE was just anti drugs. Like Nan Reagan's "just say no" foolishness.

Yeah. Well again, Florida's weird thanks to heavy immigration and a migration of mostly older and/or wealthier people from the north. The old time Florida crackers are pretty stereotypically southern, and actually share quite a bit with their neighbours in Georgia.

But here's the thing, Atlanta is also completely different from Savannah. New Orleans is also it's own free bitch. When I think of the hollywood stereotype, I can't think of any place in the south that's completely stereotypically "southern" (except for places that do it for the tourism, which doesn't really count).

Ironically, I would argue the Southern dialect is one of the most widespread and identifiable dialects in the US.

I would argue that it's one of the most misidentified, actually. Like how people confuse everything from Chris' hillbilly babble to a west texan drawl for "southern". Ask someone to mimic a "southern" accent and you'll get anything from John Wayne to Vivian Leigh to Jim Varney. In fact most southerners probably find most hollywood "southern" accents pretty cringeworthy.

Lincoln and the Republicans were actually the ones who were against slavery

You don't even have to go that far back. The republicans voted overwhelmingly in favor of the civil rights act in the '60s compared to the bare majority from the democrats. Of course they probably mostly did that to break the democrat electoral stranglehold on the south, but then politics is always about power, never about principle.

Well, to be fair, I see a lot of Confederate flags in the Midwest. Granted, the Civil War divided states. You had people from Illinois to South Dakota who fought on the side of the Confederacy (and conversely, plenty of Southerners who supported the Union) but it is rather silly to see the whole faux redneck culture on display. Especially when kids from suburban areas play at being rural.

Can suburban kids play at anything without looking pathetic?

On a darker note, the KKK (and other, more violent white supremacist organizations) are much more active in the Midwest and the West than they are in the South.

The klan did start with disorganized rural rabble redneck fucks in the south, but the klan most people remember was a "re-imagining" that happened mostly in urban areas, and its biggest strongholds were Indiana and Oregon. Also Colorado and Michigan. Not exactly "southern" states. So the "traditional" klan people think of from the early 20th century was itself largely a caricature of itself. Also largely a giant ponzi scheme. Go figure.

 

[Marvin]

It almost pains me to read that.

Spoiler

Unless you specifically want your drink watered, consider requesting a chilled glass instead of on the rocks. Your drink will taste better, and you'll get more of it.

Well, it was like soda water + pineapple juice + rum. I'm not a big fan of rum in the first place, but my roommate just came home, and told me the bar he was just at was giving away tshirts. I went over there and someone bought me a drink. Some girl(?). Whichever, I got a tshirt in the process. (Turns out they only had like XXL tshirts. It's like a tent to me.)

 

[Picklechu]

I would argue that it's one of the most misidentified, actually. Like how people confuse everything from Chris' hillbilly babble to a west texan drawl for "southern". Ask someone to mimic a "southern" accent and you'll get anything from John Wayne to Vivian Leigh to Jim Varney. In fact most southerners probably find most hollywood "southern" accents pretty cringeworthy.

Case in point--Tobey Maguire in "Ride With the Devil". *shudder*

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Meh, all ameria-cunts are the same to me. North or south

Bunch of religious gun trotting hippy racist rednecks!

 

[Silver]

I thought DARE was just anti drugs. Like Nan Reagan's "just say no" foolishness.

Speaking as someone who was introduced to the DARE program a mere nine years ago, yes, it was. Doubtless it only dissuaded a tiny number of students, and despite the fact that I've always been a "goody-two-shoes" rule-abider it still didn't manage to dissuade me. I wouldn't have done hardcore drugs even without it and with it I still smoked pot once.

 

[Xarpho]

Yeah, the United States is a lot more different than Hollywood portrays it as. Texas accents aren't even as common (or distinct) as you imagine them to be, especially in the Dallas-San Antonio-Austin-Houston triangle, which is highly urbanized and educated.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Nah, it was purely the DARE program. Chris is a total tool, after all.

Did Barb and Bob drink while he was a teenager? I know they were up drinking when Chris' babysitter was locking his ass up in a closet, but you don't see Chris complaining about them drinking when he's older so at one point they had to have stopped drinking. I wonder if it's because of health problems, being "born again", or maybe they think Bob's heavy drinking gave his sperm the tism. I honestly don't see Chris condemning something they would do on a regular basis.

 

[A-№1]

Well, it was like soda water + pineapple juice + rum. I'm not a big fan of rum in the first place, but my roommate just came home, and told me the bar he was just at was giving away tshirts. I went over there and someone bought me a drink. Some girl(?). Whichever, I got a tshirt in the process. (Turns out they only had like XXL tshirts. It's like a tent to me.)

LOL. Random boyfriend free girls buying you drinks and a free shirt to boot. You know you are living Chris' dream, right? Maybe the forums should send you some free legos…

Case in point--Tobey Maguire in "Ride With the Devil". *shudder*

I had the good sense to avoid seeing that.

Yeah, the United States is a lot more different than Hollywood portrays it as. Texas accents aren't even as common (or distinct) as you imagine them to be, especially in the Dallas-San Antonio-Austin-Houston triangle, which is highly urbanized and educated.

Totally. Since the advent of national television, american accents have largely homogenized, but even if they hadn't Hollywood still completely overblows it. And not just for southern accents. Dick Van Dyke's "cockney" is about the worst thing I've ever heard.

 

[XYZpdq]

Dick Van Dyke's "cockney" is about the worst thing I've ever heard.

What's up with people picking on that lately. I mean, yeah, it sucked, but over the past... I'd say, five years or so? I've encountered people holding that up the icon of God Awful Fake Accents a lot more.

I always liked the North American tourist couple from Monty Python's Meaning Of Life.

 

[A-№1]

What's up with people picking on that lately. I mean, yeah, it sucked, but over the past... I'd say, five years or so? I've encountered people holding that up the icon of God Awful Fake Accents a lot more.

Have they been? I haven't noticed. But it's been horrible pretty much from day one. Disney really should have paid for a dialogue coach.

 

[XYZpdq]

Have they been? I haven't noticed.

Thinking about it a bit more I probably ran into it more in discussion of CWC's bad accent compared to DVD's. Which would probably account for the timeline.

But it's been horrible pretty much from day one. Disney really should have paid for a dialogue coach.

Yeah, it was pretty damn awful.

 

[Holdek]

Speaking as someone who was introduced to the DARE program a mere nine years ago, yes, it was. Doubtless it only dissuaded a tiny number of students, and despite the fact that I've always been a "goody-two-shoes" rule-abider it still didn't manage to dissuade me. I wouldn't have done hardcore drugs even without it and with it I still smoked pot once.

The problem with DARE is that, for example, I received it in the 5th grade, and it scared the shit out of me from staying away from all drugs. Then I matured and by high school, when drug use can actually become a problem for some people, I had figured out that smoking weed wasn't going to force you through a gateway of heroin addiction and death like DARE had told us, so I wrote off all of the rest of the program as bullshit too.

Actually, they should reformulate DARE into some kind of anti-nicotine, anti-hard drugs, and anti-drunk driving program. You know, stuff that actually gets people addicted and killed.

 

[Datiko]

Culturally, none of those things really relate to anything nowadays. I always find it very silly when people bring up the mason-dixon line, for example. Really, to me, the southern shore of the potomac is where you enter the south.

You wouldn't say that if you have been to southern MD/the MARVA in DELMARVA. 7th district St. Mary's county is essentially deliverance. I had the fortune of going to school in Ridge and being the only student not related to the teacher. MD is a border state without an identity but more of it is what I would consider southern than northern. Though I grew up in SC so its a bit less intense up there.

 

[Mogambo]

Speaking as someone who was introduced to the DARE program a mere nine years ago, yes, it was. Doubtless it only dissuaded a tiny number of students, and despite the fact that I've always been a "goody-two-shoes" rule-abider it still didn't manage to dissuade me. I wouldn't have done hardcore drugs even without it and with it I still smoked pot once.

Actually, I recall hearing that D.A.R.E. actually exposed kids to more information about drugs, which only made them more interested in experimentation. Wouldn't surprise me all that much. My younger brother was in D.A.R.E. when he was a little kid and he turned into a huge stoner in high school. And something of an alcoholic. Go fig.

Either way, I definitely could see that sort of preachy, moralistic crap appealing to Chris. Especially when he was still upholding the pretense that Sonichu was a comic for kids. What a strange, strange thing. He despised beer so much that he had to change its name, and banned homosexuality altogether, but had no problems with random, graphic depictions of electric hedgehog sex, and later torturing and killing people.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

You wouldn't say that if you have been to southern MD/the MARVA in DELMARVA. 7th district St. Mary's county is essentially deliverance. I had the fortune of going to school in Ridge and being the only student not related to the teacher. MD is a border state without an identity but more of it is what I would consider southern than northern. Though I grew up in SC so its a bit less intense up there.

I did an internship at the Delmarva Historical Center in Salisbury, it sucked. The only thing to note was a list of folk remedies that ended with "When in doubt, use Whiskey"

Chris is only white trash/hillbilly on Barb's side. Bob seemed to be a stereotypical southern "good ole boy" and all of his other kids seem to be pretty successful. Barb's the one who gave Chris the shit genes based on the relative shittiness of Cole.

 

[Silver]

Actually, they should reformulate DARE into some kind of anti-nicotine, anti-hard drugs, and anti-drunk driving program. You know, stuff that actually gets people addicted and killed.

Agreed wholeheartedly. It's like abstinence-only education: we don't want to address the real problem, just say NO ABOUT EVERYTHING and that results in more people doing Everything.

 

[CWCissey]

NO! BAD MAN CHILD! YOU GET DUPLO!

 

[Butta Face Lopez]

I don't care about Dick van Dyke's accent in Mary Poppins because Mary Poppins sucks, Dick van Dyke sucks, and the Cockney accent may be the must disgusting gutter trash way of talking in the entire English speaking world.

 

[Marvin]

You wouldn't say that if you have been to southern MD/the MARVA in DELMARVA. 7th district St. Mary's county is essentially deliverance. I had the fortune of going to school in Ridge and being the only student not related to the teacher. MD is a border state without an identity but more of it is what I would consider southern than northern. Though I grew up in SC so its a bit less intense up there.

You poor soul. I usually do my best to avoid those areas. When I go to ocean city, I don't feel safe until I stop seeing chicken farms. (Kind joking, because the chicken farm areas aren't that bad, but still...)

But yeah, nah, all transitions are going to be gradual, of course. But there are still differences and boundaries. It's like saying that, while south jersey is part of the Philly metro area, that there's no differences between people living in New Jersey and people living in Philly.

Heh, and Maryland is more southern than northern, but only if you ignore the huge swathes of people in the DC and Baltimore areas.

 

[A-№1]

You wouldn't say that if you have been to southern MD/the MARVA in DELMARVA. 7th district St. Mary's county is essentially deliverance. I had the fortune of going to school in Ridge and being the only student not related to the teacher. MD is a border state without an identity but more of it is what I would consider southern than northern. Though I grew up in SC so its a bit less intense up there.

Is that down in that corner between the potomac and the chesapeake? If so I kind of got the impression the area is intentionally kept rural and kept back a hundred years or so for tourist reasons. You can find pockets like that just about anywhere, especially when you start seeing "historic" tacked onto the beginnings of names. Maybe the atavistic bumpkinry becomes more genuine away from the college. Even so, there are places in Maryland that I might consider worse, in a "deliverance" way (though not stereotypically "southern"), especially in the northwest of the state. Seriously, it's like the average IQ drops two points for every ten miles you go up i270 from Rockville, though it only starts getting obvious north of Frederick.

Agreed wholeheartedly. It's like abstinence-only education: we don't want to address the real problem, just say NO ABOUT EVERYTHING and that results in more people doing Everything.

Yeah, that "just say no" crap never, ever works. I've found the known risk / consequences based approach is much more effective. "Well, if you really want to smoke, go right ahead, but you could buy a new video game every four days for what you'll spend on cigarettes. And do you really want to end up like your aunt Vera?" Or: "I know you want to fuck that girl. Just make sure to use your own condoms and pull out; she looks like a breeder to me. Do you really want to spend the next two decades paying her child support? Better yet, go find yourself some girl in the advanced math classes to fuck. One without religious parents who wants a career instead of kids. Smart girls are a better lay as well. But use a condom anyway because you never know. I'll take you to buy some you can trust."

I'm a bad uncle. But it's working so far.