Cloudflare drops Cody Wilson (Hatreon / GhostGunner) as client

So during the Daily Stormer thing I was willing to accept that if they had started openly associating Cloudflare as "secret nazis" sympathetic towards their message, they had valid cause to drop them. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Hatreon did no such thing. GhostGunner did no such thing. Cloudflare's decision to remove them is entirely political and completely unbelievable and disgusting.

This indicates the dam has broken. Cloudflare is compromised. They are as bad as the rest now.

https://twitter.com/Radomysisky/status/898582036579049474

 

[Power Armor]

By shutting these sites down, this guy has gained a nigh infinite amount of brownie points within the carebear circles. I can only loathe to imagine what kind of favors he has the potential to call in now.

 

[Captain Smollett]

what would have been applaudable is for Cloudflare's CEO to go "lol your hurt feelings are not my problem and as long as no one is breaking any laws i don't give a shit what you do"

fucking sick of this shit. this is why social justice and political correctness have such a negative connotation. these concepts can exist, but they've been taken to draconian levels to erase any wrongthink.

"Freedom of speech unless it doesn't agree with me."

 

[DefunctChip]

This is beautiful. I signed an anti-SOPA petition when I was twenty and the people who own it send me near daily messages about 'The internet is at risk of being CENSORED you guys!!!!' but they don't bat an eye when this happened. I guess no one cares as long as the censorship is from a bunch of internal crybabies who woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

By shutting these sites down, this guy has gained a nigh infinite amount of brownie points within the carebear circles. I can only loathe to imagine what kind of favors he has the potential to call in now.

Well he'd better call them in fast before he says one wrong thing on twitter at some point. With these people victory has a hundred fathers, but every mistake is an orphan.

 

[Marvin]

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/898597989068951553

Cody Wilson and Matthew Prince (ceo of cloudflare) are arguing about whether hatreon/ghostgunner was dropped.

I think Cody Wilson is full of shit.

 

[Taily Puff]

One thing that gets glossed over way too consistently by those who support limiting the freedoms of [insert label] is that the definition of [insert label] is not defined concretely enough at best and at worst it often is "anything that hurts my feelings".

I don't like nazis either. But when the ACLU or anyone else says we can't strip away the rights of nazis, we aren't actually defending nazis. We're defending the next group who will be targeted immediately after those doing the targeting think the nazis are defeated. Which more often than not includes many people who supported this gross attitude of overreaching in the first place. There are indeed many people who will accuse @Dog Prom 3D of "promoting violence" no different than nazis just because he values the constitution, I can't understand how those accusers are surprised at the idea that terrible labels can be just as capriciously expanded to condemn the kind of reasonable and well-meaning people that they so strongly know themselves to be.

I had an argument with someone just last weekend about this. They were insisting that the confederate flag should be banned because it's a symbol of hatred. Their argument basically boiled down to "I don't like the type of person that shows off the confederate flag, so it should be illegal". I tried reminding them that giving the government the power to ban a symbol means they can also ban your symbols, that if they can make the confederate flag illegal, they can make the rainbow pride flag illegal. It fell on deaf ears though, they insisted that it was different because one's hate speech. Everyone in the room agreed with them and looked at me like I was an alien for suggesting that people they don't like still shouldn't have their basic human rights stripped away. This was a person (and a group) I thought was pretty reasonable and moderate too, so this latest dose of cultural poison is actually working pretty well unfortunately.

Also, if your goal is the prevention of violence, stripping away a groups first amendment rights is a terrible idea. You're promoting more eventual violence, since the second amendment was created for that exact situation. Of course, the same people that want to ban ideas and expressions they don't like are now also the ones who want to make firearms illegal. I don't think that was true twenty years ago, it seemed to be the other way around. The far right was flipping out over evil music and violent games and gays acting gay in public and teletubbies and the left was reminding them that freedom of expression means you'll see and hear things you don't like, and that it's important to accept that.
But now the ideology that wants to silence you also wants to take away your means of resisting them. It's a pretty horrifying combination.

Well he'd better call them in fast before he says one wrong thing on twitter at some point. With these people victory has a hundred fathers, but every mistake is an orphan.

Don't make friends with cannibals. Eventually they'll run out of food and start eyeing you up.

 

[lindsayfan]

These are interesting times. The internet as we know it had a good run, a few really dynamic decades between the BBS era and now.

The last year or so has made it clearer than ever to me that I can't predict the future & that the world is not a rational place, but I do think that the solution to these kinds of things lies in decentralization. If there weren't pressurable for-profit companies (or governments, or any other entities) controlling resources, restrictions would be much harder to enforce. I don't know what the specific technical solution will be-- the approach Tor uses to aid anonymity, a "distributed" solution like some encrypted blockchain-based cloud, or some combination thereof... or some entirely new thing.

 

[CrunkLord420]

Good job on the proactive approach. Let us know how BitMitigate works out, it would be good to know of reliable Cloudflare alternatives.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Their argument basically boiled down to "I don't like the type of person that shows off the confederate flag, so it should be illegal".

The rainbow flag is a hate symbol. I believe marriage is between man and woman as ordained by God, and homosexuality is a sin. By flamboyantly showing your homosexuality you are creating a hostile environment for me because I'm scared God will abandon my soul with everyone else's when he judges the world. You know my identity, but you still choose to make me live in terror of walking out my door?

See how easy that was? Anything can be a hate symbol if the right person gets their hands on the lever. These people are so goddamned blind.

 

[Wait This Isn't Reddit]

Well, as this continues to happen you're going to see people scared away from having everything be dependent on the benevolence of a few hosts. After Cloudbleed everyone in the industry throught cloudflare looked like a pack of idiots but people need DDoS protection so they ignore it. Powerlevel but there's way too many "experts" in the industry right now that think the future is being owned by Amazon and other web service providers and shit like this shows why that's a terrible idea.

 

[An Ghost]

Remember when Null moved and nobody could post his address to intimidate him? I guess this is the same thing.
Digitally.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

The rainbow flag is a hate symbol. I believe marriage is between man and woman as ordained by God, and homosexuality is a sin. By flamboyantly showing your homosexuality you are creating a hostile environment for me because I'm scared God will abandon my soul with everyone else's when he judges the world. You know my identity, but you still choose to make me live in terror of walking out my door?

See how easy that was? Anything can be a hate symbol if the right person gets their hands on the lever. These people are so goddamned blind.

Oh by the way, thought I was christian in this hypothetical example? Nope, that's the words of a Muslim. Now what, liberals?

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I love seeing the F-REEEEE MARKET crowd whine about the various recent client drops by companies.

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

This was a person (and a group) I thought was pretty reasonable and moderate too, so this latest dose of cultural poison is actually working pretty well unfortunately.

I think that what is happening is people are associating people who defend nazis and the confederate monuments with terrorism. Because people are afraid of terrorism, they will sacrifice their rights for safety

 

[Marvin]

I don't like decentralization. It's not a solution, it's running away from the problem.

Ultimately, it's very inefficient. All the mainstream, safe parts of the internet can use straightforward technologies, while we get relegated to the back of the bus for wrongthink? Fuck that.

I said this in the other thread, but ultimately we aren't having technical problems, we're having financial problems.

Guys, you really need to try bitcoin. I know, signing up for coinbase will require your dox. I know that makes people scared. But it is, after all, a financial services company. But after that, you're not going to get doxed by sending someone bitcoins.

Seriously, if 200 kiwis pledge to give $10/month in bitcoin, we'll meet our goal. And then all this shit goes away.

And again, emphasis on pledge. That is, recurring payments. Configure your coinbase account to repeat a buy of however much money you want to send, every month, and then set a date to send it to null each month. (Coinbase will let you schedule purchases regularly, but unfortunately you have to actually initiate the transfer manually. There might be ways to handle that automatically too, but for now it's manual.)

Well, as this continues to happen you're going to see people scared away from having everything be dependent on the benevolence of a few hosts. After Cloudbleed everyone in the industry throught cloudflare looked like a pack of idiots but people need DDoS protection so they ignore it. Powerlevel but there's way too many "experts" in the industry right now that think the future is being owned by Amazon and other web service providers and shit like this shows why that's a terrible idea.

A single data point doesn't really say anything on its own. Especially when you're talking about bugs. You should assume all software has bugs to begin with.

And doing anything at scale is going to require infrastructure like cloudflare.

Cloudbleed, while a pretty severe fuckup, wasn't that unusual a bug in substance. It was because of the scale of cloudflare, but again, that's a problem with any relay. You might as well point to all the phone hackers from the 80's and say "Lol ur using the public telephone network! what a sucker!"

 

[Rip_In_Pepperino]

The only Cloudflare alternative I had heard of was Shovl, but if BitMitigate works out better, I'll recommend that instead.

 

[stets]

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/898597989068951553

Cody Wilson and Matthew Prince (ceo of cloudflare) are arguing about whether hatreon/ghostgunner was dropped.

I think Cody Wilson is full of shit.

Agreed. When this gets reported by a third party in a relatively legitimate publication then I’ll believe it. The claim that Cloudflare started going on an arbitrary ban spree after extremely reluctantly banning Storm Front always seemed to strain credulity.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

The rainbow flag is a hate symbol. I believe marriage is between man and woman as ordained by God, and homosexuality is a sin. By flamboyantly showing your homosexuality you are creating a hostile environment for me because I'm scared God will abandon my soul with everyone else's when he judges the world. You know my identity, but you still choose to make me live in terror of walking out my door?

See how easy that was? Anything can be a hate symbol if the right person gets their hands on the lever. These people are so goddamned blind.

Real Christians use that exact argument. I've also heard them say the rainbow flag is a hate symbol because it promotes hatred towards Christians and Christian values.

 

[lindsayfan]

I don't like decentralization. It's not a solution, it's running away from the problem.

Ultimately, it's very inefficient. All the mainstream, safe parts of the internet can use straightforward technologies, while we get relegated to the back of the bus for wrongthink? Fuck that.

You're right (and you're right that the solution in the near- and medium-term is $2k monthly).

To be clear, I wasn't suggesting Kiwi Farms disappear into the darknet-- Null addressed that in his previous "sky is falling" post. I was just pontificating on the larger situation, because with centralized (in this case, corporate) control of resources (in this case, information and access to information), these kinds of scenarios are going to escalate. Net Neutrality has always been doomed. Google will begin delisting (more) sites, maybe even this one. I think there will have to be a seismic change in the underlying structure of what we call the internet if it will in the future be a platform for anything except Hulu offering on-demand Big Bang Theory.

 

[Florence]

ultimately we aren't having technical problems, we're having financial problems.

The CWCki, on the other hand...