Orbiter BSV / Vidar Viking Elvi / BrightSideViking / DarthRadeonViking - Banned from Twitch, Sociopath Nazi, WhiteKnight of DSP, Ritualist, Stolen Valor, hates women

[Le Redditeur Part Deux]

It's so cute when you start using sockpuppets to a-log people you disagree with. Tell me, @BSV What did phil say to you about your thread?

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Let it to Bryan, autist extraordinaire and severely mentally ill, to care about posting rates. Didn't you do the same on your own thread?

 

[BSV]

Answer the question, what does DSP think of your thread pedoviking?

I don't know Pedobryan he is would probably be impressed

 

[Cyber Bowling]

For sure. I am the guy that always can afford whatever I want.

So, this is something that I've always been genuinely curious about. You seem to have a decent amount of disposable income. You've also mentioned in previous threads that you enjoy Phil's community, and you said in this thread that you want Phil to live comfortably because you enjoy the content he produces.

If you have the money, and you enjoy the DSP community and want to see DSP live comfortably, why haven't you ever tried to go into business with him and create a streaming network? Twitch has a whole thing for it, and it isn't uncommon among some of the smaller streamers who average around 300-1000ish views. You've made videos in the past and alluded to wanting to create content, and I'm sure there are other people in the DSP community that would be willing to stream. You could also do more on the YouTube side of things and promote the channel through the Twitch streams. Actual reviews or shows or whatever, not just reuploading streams in 300 parts. If nobody wanted to edit the videos you could pay for an outside editor. Even if you didn't want to get in front of the camera yourself, you could act as a behind the scenes producer.

I ask this because it leads into the other thing I am confused about, you wanting Phil to live comfortably. Now, Phil is pretty upfront about his living situation, which is how he gets you to donate so frequently. At this point, haven't you realized that your donations aren't actually helping him? Because Phil is also incredibly insistent that he thinks things should never change and that he's doing perfectly fine. Doesn't that mean he's always going to be in this situation where every month he is struggling to get by and needs you to bail him out at the last minute? What's going to happen five years down the line? Are you still going to bail him out every month. Don't you agree that Phil needs to do something to improve his financial situation?

Unless you're incredibly lucky and were smart enough to get in early, you can't make a living off of YouTube and Twitch. For most, it is at best temporary. Sure, someone like PewDiePie is set, but Phil isn't in that kind of position. It was never even quality that got him those big YouTube bucks, it was gaming the system. And that option hasn't been around for years, and he (and others) continue to lose money on YouTube. It's a sinking ship. But Phil refuses to give up on it. Same deal with Twitch, except I don't even know if there's a Twitch equivalent to PewDiePie that you can look to and say "well, at least he's made it." I know there are some big name streamers, but they do e-sports shit and get sponsorships or whatever. And even those guys usually use that as a launching point for something else, like commentating or whatever.

Basically, the people that have really made it big have always branched into something else and become more of a network as opposed to just streamers or vlogers or whatever. But Phil isn't Rooster Teeth or Polaris or anything like that. He's not trying to network, he's not trying to launch into some other career. He needs to do something, because his living situation is terrible, both financially and emotionally. The dude is miserable and has no human contact. The closest he has is his chat and forums/twitter. And even then, more often than not it seems like those places stress him out, which is why he spends so much time lashing out and banning people or calling them stupid.

You're just making it worse for Phil. He needs to step up and make major changes with his life. Even if you both think he can actually make it on just Twitch/YouTube bucks, he's not going about it the right way. There's also the fact that he's pretty open about hating his job. And yes, I'm aware there are plenty of quotes of him saying "I''m happy doing X," but if you're even half as smart as you claim to be, you have to realize that there are far more examples of him being miserable with his existence. Again, that's why you donate so much in the first place, because he's always saying he needs help and he's barely going to make it this month. Those are not the things that happy people say. And then there's all the examples of him raging in chat, the miserable instragram photo's, plants being his only friends, never being able to leave the house and take vacations and do other things because of his busy work schedule. A busy work schedule that by his own admission doesn't even work since, in his own words, he is only just barely scrapping by each month.

There's plenty of other examples I can think of, but this post is already well into TLDR territory, but I really couldn't help it because your relationship with DSP has just always been so weird to me.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

Ahahahaha oh my fucking god it gets better he served on a fucking FISHING BOAT.

A hand-me-down from the US, decommissioned in 59, then SCUTTLED, before some museum director with too many resources had it raised and turned into a museum ship. This is your service, @BSV? Public relations in a historical curio? Thank god you were doing such important work keeping your peacetime country ready for the possibility of war!

I mean, he didn't really clam otherwise, he only brought it up because you guys asked about his medals.

 

[BSV]

@Cyber Bowling Don't worry about it too much. Phil have a cult following. And as long as people are willing to invest so much time as you caring about him. I think he would be fine. He has a pretty unique personality, and when it comes to streaming, and if people is willing to support you or not this is what matters.
Phil is in a situation most streamers only will dream of. Sure there are people that is bigger, and have a bigger following for various reasons. But think of it this way. When you can pull in at least 300 people to your stream, and still average a decent amount of views on youtube. You have no reason to stop.

A key thing in marketing is growth, and even if youtube is a diminishing marked, his twitch following is increasing. So it's not all bad news.
I think he could be smart and do things that boost his community even more, and bring in more people to watch him. But I can see why he don't want to invest more in it. Because expanding would also mean you have more to manage. And I have to say, the amount of people that come out to watch his stream is pretty perfect.
In the sense that it's not to many, but yet a decent enough amount to keep the interaction going.
Phil have some very generous donors, and they would like to see him continue, and Phil himself have expressed that this is what he would like to do.
If it is unhealthy to do what his doing? Maybe, but just from a purely marked perspective. He shouldn't have anything to fear. Streams is what he focuses on, and that marked is growing.

We don't know what the world would look like in a decade. Or even further in to the future. If phil wants he can quit today. No one is forcing him to do this. But in all honesty, he have a job that revolves around playing video games a few hours a day. Would you rather change that to earn less at some mundane job?
Did people 10 years ago think that some middle aged guy could sit around his house and make a living like this?
I have no idea.
But it sure ain't hurting no body other then themselves.
I don't buy your argument that supporting phil is reinforcing bad behavior. I think that streaming games and being a one man show is totally legit. And something people should be allowed to do.
If he says "support me if you like to see me keep on doing this." you support him in order for him to keep doing it.
If you don't like to see him continue, suggest another way. Don't just say cut of his income and he'll figure something out.
For most people gaming is a hobby and something that is done for leisure. They don't have to rely on it to be their income. Once it is a job it probably changes the aspect of it. And probably even more so if it's a struggling business.
But if it has become a really major part of your identity your will probably go down in flames rather then give up in the hope of some prosperity.
I would like to see phil enjoy some good times and see some prosperity.
And the real issue many here seem to have an objection against that. And totally ignore Phils human side and genuinely feel good when he feels bad, and just want him to fail for whatever reason.
Someone is doing downright sabotage to fuck things over him, and hate him. Not only that, but have a fanatical attitude towards the guy. Most likely to mask their own miserable existence. It's proven that the worst trolls and bullies have some really bad personal issues. So they are maybe the people that deserve some sympathy. I don't know.
There is nothing weird with my relationship with phil. I just see someone that needs some help and support, in a torrent of people that treat him unfairly.

 

[Crisseh]

help and support, in a torrent of people that treat him unfairly.

Unfairly? Let's see some of the reasons he's "treated unfairly"

1. Laughing stock of the Street Fighter Community
2. Toxic shitty personality
3. Never takes responsibility for his actions
4. Treats his fans like shit
5. Has a terrible fanbase that is toxic

Let's talk about number five for a second shall we? For so much of a "fan" you actually add to why people hate him as a person. You are part in parcel as to why people dislike him and his collection of autistic followers. Having such a manboner for Phil that you are willing to ruin peoples livelihood because they said mean things about an obviously shitty person.

And this was just a short list, there are many reasons to dislike Phil, and why his community is slowly dying. The last people left around him, are the autistic Camelot of supporters, and the people secretly laughing behind his back.

 

[Stay safe]

@Cyber Bowling Don't worry about it too much. Phil have a cult following. And as long as people are willing to invest so much time as you caring about him. I think he would be fine. He has a pretty unique personality, and when it comes to streaming, and if people is willing to support you or not this is what matters.
Phil is in a situation most streamers only will dream of. Sure there are people that is bigger, and have a bigger following for various reasons. But think of it this way. When you can pull in at least 300 people to your stream, and still average a decent amount of views on youtube. You have no reason to stop.

A key thing in marketing is growth, and even if youtube is a diminishing marked, his twitch following is increasing. So it's not all bad news.
I think he could be smart and do things that boost his community even more, and bring in more people to watch him. But I can see why he don't want to invest more in it. Because expanding would also mean you have more to manage. And I have to say, the amount of people that come out to watch his stream is pretty perfect.
In the sense that it's not to many, but yet a decent enough amount to keep the interaction going.
Phil have some very generous donors, and they would like to see him continue, and Phil himself have expressed that this is what he would like to do.
If it is unhealthy to do what his doing? Maybe, but just from a purely marked perspective. He shouldn't have anything to fear. Streams is what he focuses on, and that marked is growing.

We don't know what the world would look like in a decade. Or even further in to the future. If phil wants he can quit today. No one is forcing him to do this. But in all honesty, he have a job that revolves around playing video games a few hours a day. Would you rather change that to earn less at some mundane job?
Did people 10 years ago think that some middle aged guy could sit around his house and make a living like this?
I have no idea.
But it sure ain't hurting no body other then themselves.
I don't buy your argument that supporting phil is reinforcing bad behavior. I think that streaming games and being a one man show is totally legit. And something people should be allowed to do.
If he says "support me if you like to see me keep on doing this." you support him in order for him to keep doing it.
If you don't like to see him continue, suggest another way. Don't just say cut of his income and he'll figure something out.
For most people gaming is a hobby and something that is done for leisure. They don't have to rely on it to be their income. Once it is a job it probably changes the aspect of it. And probably even more so if it's a struggling business.
But if it has become a really major part of your identity your will probably go down in flames rather then give up in the hope of some prosperity.
I would like to see phil enjoy some good times and see some prosperity.
And the real issue many here seem to have an objection against that. And totally ignore Phils human side and genuinely feel good when he feels bad, and just want him to fail for whatever reason.
Someone is doing downright sabotage to fuck things over him, and hate him. Not only that, but have a fanatical attitude towards the guy. Most likely to mask their own miserable existence. It's proven that the worst trolls and bullies have some really bad personal issues. So they are maybe the people that deserve some sympathy. I don't know.
There is nothing weird with my relationship with phil. I just see someone that needs some help and support, in a torrent of people that treat him unfairly.

This is not the face of a man that enjoys his job.

He doesn't realize it but Phil would be much happier if he just left the internet completely.

 

[BeanieGuy]

@Cyber Bowling . It's proven that the worst trolls and bullies have some really bad personal issues. So they are maybe the people that deserve some sympathy. I don't know.
There is nothing weird with my relationship with phil. I just see someone that needs some help and support, in a torrent of people that treat him unfairly.

Oh boo oh, poor Phil, always bullied by meanies. Are you seriously this blind? Do you really think everyone who criticizes Phil is a bully? If we call him a manchild, it's because he acts like one, an entitled whiny man with a toxic personality and humor straight from some shitty sunday cartoon. Of course there are some actual "detractors", as you like to call us, that are a little bit too invested in his life, but for fuck sake, that's not what everyone does, and you must be pretty stupid to not understand that.
Just a little example, is it bullying if people are angry at him if he didn't even start that Project 7 revival thingy even after that whole patreon ad campaign? I don't think so. I really hope one day you can understand how reetarded you're acting

Actually nah, I'm here to laugh at you, please keep going.

This is not the face of a man that enjoys his job.
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He doesn't realize it but Phil would be much happier if he just left the internet completely.

Who would pay his bills then?

 

[Billy_Sama]

I really feel sorry for Vidar if he thinks he can be appreciated by someone like DSP. @BSV considering of getting a dakimakura or real doll? They would be a better friend then DSP circlejerk.

 

[BlockedByDaylight]

Most of Phil's viewers are just view bots you pay @BSV. You admitted that a while ago. And also, what has Phil ever done for you to justify the vast amounts of money you send him? Making you a mod for his crappy stream chat? Give me a break.

 

[BSV]

Most of Phil's viewers are just view bots you pay @BSV. You admitted that a while ago.

Show me where please. I did no such thing

 

[Taily Puff]

Honestly, FedoraManManMan seems like a decent enough guy to me at a glance, and I really don't say this lightly considering he's the thread creator but I actually think this trainwreck would benefit if he was either thread banned or sat a few pages out. Every time it starts to get interesting, it turns into an e-dick waving contest between him and BSV.

But as for BSV? There's a life lesson you should have learned by the time you finished high school (Did you finish high school? While we're asking anyway), and it's that truly intelligent people don't have to keep reminding everyone how intelligent they are. Intelligent people are smart enough to not assume they're the smartest person in the room, in fact, genuinely intelligent people are more like to question the validity of their own stance and wonder if everyone else has relevant information they haven't yet had access to. Smart people most frequently assume they're surrounded by other smart people who know something they might not.

Idiots assume they're always correct, because not being correct is a bad thing, so when they're surrounded by people who disagree, those same idiots come to the conclusion that everyone else must be wrong. Without any way to really bolster their point, they fall back on insisting that they're smart so you should listen to them, despite them providing zero evidence that they're correct.

An intelligent person knows enough to understand how much they don't know. An intelligent person assumes they need to keep thinking. So if you come into a forum full of strangers thinking you're the smartest of them all, the odds are you're actually the dumbest.

This is especially true after exchanges like

"He's wearing his grandpa's medals!"
"No I'm not, One of those medals is mine."
"What about the medals that aren't yours?"
"Those are my grandpa's."

You think you're outsmarting everyone just because you keep saying everyone is wrong. But it's really transparent pathetic logic that most people grow out of by the time they're eight years old. You sound like an eight year old, and not a cool one, a spazzy inbred one.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

@Cyber Bowling
If it is unhealthy to do what his doing? Maybe, but just from a purely marked perspective. He shouldn't have anything to fear. Streams is what he focuses on, and that marked is growing.

We don't know what the world would look like in a decade. Or even further in to the future. If phil wants he can quit today. No one is forcing him to do this. But in all honesty, he have a job that revolves around playing video games a few hours a day. Would you rather change that to earn less at some mundane job?
Did people 10 years ago think that some middle aged guy could sit around his house and make a living like this?
I have no idea.
But it sure ain't hurting no body other then themselves.
I don't buy your argument that supporting phil is reinforcing bad behavior. I think that streaming games and being a one man show is totally legit. And something people should be allowed to do.
If he says "support me if you like to see me keep on doing this." you support him in order for him to keep doing it.
If you don't like to see him continue, suggest another way. Don't just say cut of his income and he'll figure something out.
For most people gaming is a hobby and something that is done for leisure. They don't have to rely on it to be their income. Once it is a job it probably changes the aspect of it. And probably even more so if it's a struggling business.

This mentality summarizes what strikes me as so weird about your relationship with DSP. You say he shouldn't have anything to fear, and that his market is growing. But doesn't that seem entirely at odds with what Phil says every day? Isn't that why you keep donating so much money, because he's always talking about how he's not going to make it through the month?

I don't think there is anything wrong with someone making a living from YouTube videos or streaming. That's why in my initial post I tried to include examples of people who were/still are completely successful at that. But I also tried to point out that those people have grown and done more with their channels. Phil hasn't. And honestly, I'll give Phil some credit, there was a time where he was making good YouTube bucks. Granted, he was gaming the system with his 10 minute uploads, but hey, he was still getting tons of views and with the way ad revenue used to work, he must have been making bank. But he squandered that. He hasn't changed with the market, and he went from making, what, around 150k a year to making maybe 14k a year through Patreon, if we're being generous. I don't know exactly how much he gets from Twitch subs and bits and what not, but he is one of the smaller channels, so it can't be that much. I mean, don't get me wrong it's a nice chunk of change if you're just doing this as a hobby or treating it as a part time job, but this is Phil's bread and butter.

As for the "don't cut off his income" part, that's fair, but I would point to his chat and forums in response to that. Tons of people post genuinely good ideas for Phil. Phil in turn calls them stupid, blocks them, or completely ignores or makes up lies for why he can't follow that advice. He's also apparently a valedictorian with a business degree who boasts about how intelligent he is. By his own admission, he shouldn't need that much business help. But that wraps around to my original point about how if you really wanted to see him and the community succeed, you could be doing a lot more.

The other thing that confuses me is you acknowledge that how you view gaming changes when it is a job as opposed to a hobby. Which is a very true statement. But again, this goes back to one of the main problems with Phil, he's miserable. The few times I can think of him being happy are when he's talking about non-gaming things, like his plants or his sauce. He seems pretty miserable in his streams. His time on twitter is spent getting into slapfights, and even on his own forum he's picking fights with people. He talks about being unable to go out and do simple things, or being unable to take a vacation because of his commitment to his work. And keep in mind, this is work that is barely even keeping him afloat, since he's constantly talking about how he's not going to make it this month. He also talks about how much he hates his former partners, and how much he hates YouTube. But he still has to do these things because he's trying to survive.

So yeah, I think him quitting his "job" and getting more traditional employment is in his best interest. First of all, he'd probably be making more money, especially if he has the credentials he claims he does. He would have more time to himself, and he would be able to get out and interact with people. Hell, he'd also be able to take vacations and what not. And he could still stream on the side and play games, but he might actually enjoy it more because he could focus just on the game and not on the views. And he'd play what he wants, he wouldn't have to cater to Patreon polls. I mean, there's a reason a lot of the smaller streamers also have day jobs. Some of them do transition to the point of being able to quit their day jobs just to focus on streaming, but again, they do more than just play games and upload stuff to YouTube.

I guess what I find most fascinating and entertaining about this whole thing is that, in a way you're "support" does some of the most damage to Phil. Yeah, we may shit talk him in his thread and what not, but you're backing basically keeps him trapped inside of his house, doing a job that makes him absolutely miserable. And unlike most people that hate having a traditional job, he doesn't have the respite of clocking out at 5 and doing something fun, like playing video games or seeing people. By his own admission, he can't do stuff like this because of work. Which is especially out, because one of the perks of working for yourself is supposed to be the freedom to schedule things as you want as opposed to the whims of your boss/company. Assuming he isn't lying about his finances, it's even worse, because all of the money he's earning isn't actually going towards things he enjoys. He's always paying off bills or condo costs or internet lines or whatever else.

 

[Kosher Dill]

My question for @BSV is: Have you discussed with Phil what he should do if anything ever happens to your ability to support him? God forbid, you might lose your job or have a family emergency, or some other unexpected expense might come up that makes it impossible for you to pay his bills.
Have you considered legally adopting Phil so that he could be the beneficiary of any insurance policies you might have for this kind of situation?

 

[BlockedByDaylight]

Stop avoiding the questions @BSV. You came here to defend yourself, so do it. The questions we ALL want to know, and that have been asked SEVERAL times and not answered, are as follows:

1. Why do you pay Phil so much money? He's a nobody. He isn't even a friend to you. So why?

2. Why do you defend him so vigorously? Are you sexually attracted to the man??

3. Do you think Phil cares about YOU or your WALLET more?? Think about that one.

4. Why keep funding Phil when he has 2 mortgages, a new car, several consoles, and unused VR rig, $200 internet, and more? Why believe his 'emergencies dood!' Tricks??

 

[BillionBisonBucks]

I mean, he didn't really clam otherwise, he only brought it up because you guys asked about his medals.

He's just so proud of it. Which would be fine, if there was an ounce of humility. "I did my mandatory, they put me on a floating relic and I showed around schoolkids." Nothing wrong with having a bit of pride in that. Surely some of those kids were really into it. Instead, he wears his medal (and his grandfather's (poorly)) in the public eye, repeatedly. As other posters pointed out, he's the lowest-effort stolen valor ever, which is made even more baffling by his actual time in the military.

I can't imagine wanting to be taken seriously badly enough to wear every medal you have access to, but not badly enough to flip open your old manual and take the time to do it right. Hell, he even openly acknowledged that he's accomplished nothing, yet still dresses up like he had. It's a hilarious collision of neuroses.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

He's just so proud of it. Which would be fine, if there was an ounce of humility. "I did my mandatory, they put me on a floating relic and I showed around schoolkids." Nothing wrong with having a bit of pride in that. Surely some of those kids were really into it. Instead, he wears his medal (and his grandfather's (poorly)) in the public eye, repeatedly. As other posters pointed out, he's the lowest-effort stolen valor ever, which is made even more baffling by his actual time in the military.

I can't imagine wanting to be taken seriously badly enough to wear every medal you have access to, but not badly enough to flip open your old manual and take the time to do it right. Hell, he even openly acknowledged that he's accomplished nothing, yet still dresses up like he had. It's a hilarious collision of neuroses.

Did I miss something or was the only example of him wearing his grandfather's medals in a comedy video from over a decade ago?

 

[Pac]

Been reading this mess of thread. I will now post some thoughts.

BSV strikes me as a disturbed man(Child). He comes into this thread, tries to derail this topic's main subject (People laughing at him). He attempts to do this by focusing on very few members, and replying to users's questions in what resembles a "calm" and "objective" manner. The thing is, trying to pass for a more "mature" person, and trying to pose as a someone with superior moral standards is the opposite of what BSV is trying to achieve here. He is not fooling anyone, and, contrary to what his underdeveloped brain thinks, he is exposing himself more and more as an immature and emotionally retarded person.

Latching on to extreme ideologies (Suchs as Nazism), fixating on individuals (DSP), and being unable to accept one's faults when being exposed to them are signs of a person who is either mentally challenged or someone who is emotionally immature; in BSV's case, I'm picking the latter.

See, BSV, we've all seen how much of a lolcow you are, my friend. That Podcast, in which Fred interviewed you, is one of the more visceral proofs that you are, in fact, someone who is not "adept". During that podcast, Fred, through some clever dialogue, managed to push you to your limits when he questioned you about your moral views on DSP and his detractors. You, BSV, came to a point where you couldn't even speak coherently because you lost your temper. You exposed some of that erratic humanity deep within you. Just stop. Stop pretending to be some sort of "Well adjusted" person. You are not. It's pointless, and it just exposes your inability to engage in meaningful conversation (Because you keep deflecting, rather than trying to be honest and explaining yourself).

Now, don't you think I'm trying to insult you, or trying to "troll" you; because of course, you are of the "If they say something I don't agree with, then they're trolling" mindset. You cannot deny the fact that you, as a healthy male, living in a developed country, with no responsibilities, and no major issues, are an inept individual at the very least. You have no meaningful experiences, no higher purpose, no life experiences, no higher insight or intelligence, no deep knowledge about anything, and no love. All you have to show is a pathetic online presence, a naive worldview, a childish moral code, no coherent values (You see the Sons of Kojima as morally wrong, yet you fail to realize how morally wrong you are), and DSP. All I'm trying to convey is what is objectively evident of you (There's videos and audios of you sperging online). Remember: Just because you don't like what people say about you that doesn't make them wrong.

You are no special snowflake, you have no superior intelligence, your morals aren't any better than other people's. You are a manchild. But at least you can keep on being autistic for the world to laugh.

 

[Whale Kermin]

My impression is that Vidar's a genuinely nice and clever person, but he messe up in two instances:

1. Being funny without anyone online laughing.
I think most of his donations to DSP started out as a hilarious prank - thinking people would be like "Haha, amazing troll, man! You're WILD man!", which most of his IRL pals did do. Problem started when he actually started getting some attention for it, so he kept going until the joke wasn't funny anymore, and then it was to late to turn around.

2. Grew fond of Sargon of Akkad and all these "I can use arguments!" people on the internet.
It's obvious that he started with that DSP-joke (?) in the beginning which later got the attention of King of Pol etc. and I think he looked at this as finally being a part of the same kinda thing as Sargon etc. where you take part in "serious" discussions and always have to use the best, most logical arguments to win. Problem with all 3 of them is that neither of them will properly admit when they're wrong, and will rather try to make up some amazing argument instead of going with the truth, which gets even messier when your English is shit.

Those two points I think he's guilty of.
The rest of it is just funny nitpicking.

 

[BillionBisonBucks]

Did I miss something or was the only example of him wearing his grandfather's medals in a comedy video from over a decade ago?

There was a picture of him out in public, claimed to be from a parade, I believe, where he had them pinned wherever.

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