DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[neger psykolog]

The thing that drives me crazy with Phil and technology is that he is too lazy to learn. I am a year older than him and I do not have the level of knowledge that the Millenials and the next generation have with computers.

He can't just use this as a lazy crutch and expect his supporters to do everything for him. For example, the recent issue with the Switch and his TV going haywire. If he had just saw down in front of his lemon PC and did some research on a search engine, he would have found out (in less than 5 minutes) that it was a bug with the Switch and he needed to update the firmware.

Instead he plays around with it his Dusty setup for 30+ minutes like an Ape with a rubix cube and then bitching about it during the pre-stream for 10 minutes until someone told him what to do.

The "I used to build PCs but for some reason I can't do it anymore" story provides perhaps the best insight into the world of DSP.
There are numerous 10 year olds out there who can build a PC, as well as plenty of elderly people. It is not some insurmountable task. It is designed to be relatively easy. I once visited a center for visually impaired people where they were learning to assemble computers. The fact that he literally puts in less effort than blind people is just sad.

Besides, most people that need a PC built generally have a nerdy friend who will do it for free. It's just something you do for friends. But apparently he doesn't have anyone.

I wonder if there any support group for people like DSP?

 

[Prince_of_Rewards]

Those "day one views" are a whopping awesome, eh?

 

[neger psykolog]

Those "day one views" are a whopping awesome, eh?

Don't forget that his first and last part videos always seem to be popular because people just want to leave comments calling him out. Especially since he disables comments on prestreams.

 

[The-Sock1]

I just want to throttle this guy after hearing about what and how he said his responce to a destiny 2 donater.

 

[James Smith]

Also in this video he says he thinks Twitch is the way to make a good living going forward. No gamble there

Who wouldn't want 90% of their income to be completely reliant on people liking you enough to give you free money? The only people that wouldn't want that are people who are being shat on for being unlikable by more people every week. Oh wait...

 

[Ledj]

The thing that drives me crazy with Phil and technology is that he is too lazy to learn. I am a year older than him and I do not have the level of knowledge that the Millenials and the next generation have with computers. But I have the capacity to research, learn, and figure it out.

By all definitions, Phil is a Millenial. He's at the earlier end of it, but he's in the date range. I think you're dead on about his issue. Phil's inability to adapt, stay flexible, and continue to learn isn't just isolated to his relationship to technology -- it's a life pattern that he's adopted for all areas. It's the same reason why nothing changes with his content, nothing changes with his lifestyle, and nothing changes in his viewpoints. Phil has a degree and apparently missed a major point of higher education -- it's not just about endgame salaries, it's also about teaching you to be a lifelong learner and critical thinker. It could have been the curriculum or Phil's particular degree that failed to impart this lesson, but I'd bet it's Phil that just didn't listen.

As for the technology side of things, the ultimate irony is that Phil actually grew up in one of the best times for digital literacy. Computers during the 80s and 90s were still working on developing standardized digital metaphors and refined user experiences, so dealing with them back then required much more effort and a deeper understanding to fully utilize them. Internet wasn't the assumed factor it is now, so a lot of people had to learn through their own trial and error + books. This, of course, fostered self-sufficiency. There's a chance that Phil didn't have access to computers due to financial constraints, so that could explain why he's so illiterate. It also could be that he just avoided them because consoles only had three cords to hook up and "just worked". Phil has mentioned multiple times "people" (him) buy consoles because "they always work", thereby avoiding the "headache" of desktop gaming.

Regardless, that digital literacy has little to do with generational inheritance. Some generations are given better opportunities than others, but like any other discipline, it has everything to do with effort and establishing a lifelong pattern of learn/research to keep up its rate of change. Digital literacy is actually decreasing in Gen Z because the user experience is so refined. Software navigation and adaptation to new interfaces might be intuitive to the newer generation, but actual knowledge of the underlying foundation is vanishing rapidly. Phil actually was born in a time that would have potentially given him an upper hand, but spoiler!

Spoiler

this was squandered.

The "I used to build PCs but for some reason I can't do it anymore" story provides perhaps the best insight into the world of DSP.

It's just his refusal to keep up with technology changes and deal with the initial step of building a computer: selecting good parts that will actually work together. Even if you haven't built since 2003, this will take maybe half a day of research. Building the computer is a slightly advanced lego challenge and the core experience hasn't changed in a decade. There's no way that's what is actually stopping him, unless of course he's lying (impossible!) and he has never had firsthand experience building a computer.

 

[neger psykolog]

It's just his refusal to keep up with technology changes and deal with the initial step of building a computer: selecting good parts that will actually work together. Even if you haven't built since 2003, this will take maybe half a day of research. Building the computer is a slightly advanced lego challenge and the core experience hasn't changed in a decade. There's no way that's what is actually stopping him, unless of course he's lying (impossible!) and he has never had firsthand experience building a computer.

That's true. But there are so many great resources nowadays where you can ask any question you want about a PC build and get a thousand great answers.

Even Newegg has page after page of prebuilt systems catered to whatever your budget is:
https://www.newegg.com/Gaming-Desktops/PromotionStore/ID-2125620

Just a thought, but in light of all those situations and examples I'm more inclined to believe Phil may have ADD which prevents him from being able to concentrate (the below is actually written by a doctor who seems to specialize in ADD):

I am not suggesting that individuals with ADD/ADHD are intentionally narcissistic, but I am saying that it is common with us ADD/ADHD folk. Here’s a perfect example…I am not a go-with-the-flow kind of guy. It has impacted my relationships over the years. It is not that I am not open to new things; I just live in a certain comfort zone. While some of this may be narcissistic, it has other factors involved as well. The best way for me to manage my ADHD is to regiment myself. I do things a certain way because it helps me function both personally and professionally. Other people don’t always see this, so they assume I am acting selfish.
http://adhdefcoach.com/2011/06/28/the-narcissism-of-add-adhd/
​

Obviously I'm not a doctor, but it may explain a lot of things about Phil. ADD people can be known to overspend, have low impulse control, and several other things. It may explain why simple tasks are so dramatic/insurmountable to him.

The fact he actually keeps a schedule of what games he is going to play has always struck me as being really, really weird. Especially since he plays the same games for such long periods of time.

Anyway, that's just a thought I had.

 

[Ledj]

That's true. But there are so many great resources nowadays where you can ask any question you want about a PC build and get a thousand great answers.

Even Newegg has page after page of prebuilt systems catered to whatever your budget is:
https://www.newegg.com/Gaming-Desktops/PromotionStore/ID-2125620

Oh exactly. You can even get away with just matching CPU sockets and RAM to a motherboard then choose based on reviews and survive just fine. The research I'm talking about is only if you're actually interested in really making an informed decision on which processor microarchitecture and other stuff. And like you mentioned, there are so many resources out there that computers can basically build themselves now. Phil's excuse account is as empty as his bank account on this issue.

 

[Dewey Manlove]

It's just his refusal to keep up with technology changes and deal with the initial step of building a computer: selecting good parts that will actually work together. Even if you haven't built since 2003, this will take maybe half a day of research. Building the computer is a slightly advanced lego challenge and the core experience hasn't changed in a decade. There's no way that's what is actually stopping him, unless of course he's lying (impossible!) and he has never had firsthand experience building a computer.

I'm pretty sure the "I used to build computers" was another ego-based lie. What are the chances that Phil ever solved an IRQ conflict or fixed any of the myriad driver issues you used to routinely experience with new hardware? I see him trying random jumper configurations on an old IDE drive and shouting "I don't know what I'm supposed to do!"

 

[Le Redditeur Part Deux]

Heh, I remember the good old days... trying to plug something to a ISA socket and making it work:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry_Standard_Architecture

Users of ISA-based machines had to know special information about the hardware they were adding to the system. While a handful of devices were essentially "plug-n-play", this was rare. Users frequently had to configure several parameters when adding a new device, such as the IRQ line, I/O address, or DMA channel. MCA had done away with this complication, and PCI actually incorporated many of the ideas first explored with MCA (though it was more directly descended from EISA).

It was Hell on Earth. I doubt Phil would ever manage to configure any of these parameters over a CLI environment.

EDIT: And this little gem right here: IRQ Conflicts:

In early IBM-compatible personal computers, an IRQ conflict is a once common hardware error, received when two devices were trying to use the same interrupt request (or IRQ) to signal an interrupt to the Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). The PIC expects interrupt requests from only one device per line, thus more than one device sending IRQ signals along the same line will generally cause an IRQ conflict that can freeze a computer.

For example, if a modem expansion card is added into a system and assigned to IRQ4, which is traditionally assigned to the serial port 1, it will likely cause an IRQ conflict. Initially, IRQ 7 was a common choice for the use of a sound card, but later IRQ 5 was used when it was found that IRQ 7 would interfere with the printer port (LPT1). The serial ports are frequently disabled to free an IRQ line for another device. IRQ 2/9 is the traditional interrupt line for an MPU-401 MIDI port, but this conflicts with the ACPI system control interrupt (SCI is hardwired to IRQ9 on Intel chipsets);[1] this means ISA MPU-401 cards with a hardwired IRQ 2/9, and MPU-401 device drivers with a hardcoded IRQ 2/9, cannot be used in interrupt-driven mode on a system with ACPI enabled.

You literally had to have a cheatsheet listing all possible IRQ conflicts to properly assign every component's IRQ number, or else you'd have a machine that would freeze when trying to print something because you had a sound card installed. And if you didn't knew that when assembling the PC, good luck trying to actually pinpoint the problem later!

 

[Dewey Manlove]

It was Hell on Earth. I doubt Phil would ever manage to configure any of these parameters over a CLI environment.

It required approaching things systematically, having patience and doing research where more searches than not led nowhere. Yeah, that's right in Phil's wheelhouse.

 

[neger psykolog]

It required approaching things systematically, having patience and doing research where more searches than not led nowhere. Yeah, that's right in Phil's wheelhouse.

It's also become nothing but easier in the past 10 years. Ever since SATA about half the issues went away.
It's really not that challenging of a task.

New Twitch feature:

inb4

also there are some other features that Phil is considering playing with:

EDIT:

Also, Twitch may be implementing charity cheers:

 

[grump]

I'll leave the elaboration on the other threads but I'm continually awed and a little tickled how Phil's toxicity and almost
magical tendency to sow drama is so potent its apparently seeped into and is wrecking havoc even in the
detractor community. And he did it largely just by being in the back of people's minds. He really does seem
to attract and bring out the worst in everyone and everything around him sometimes even some of his critics. Often while stumbling around inadvertently.
He's like a radioactive Mr. Magoo/Master Shake.

 

[Brian Butterfield]

AFAIK most if not all of the current/former SoK members are former fans who became embittered or disenchanted with Phil. Judging from their current ages I'm guessing they were in middle or even late elementary school when they were fans.

It's one thing to get together with your friends and bash bad movies or game players or whatever, but these guys have this bizarre agenda to take down DSP. Meanwhile it seems he does a good job of that all on his own judging from the occurrences of the past 6 months alone (Machinima, ex-girlfriend, weight gain).

 

[neger psykolog]

People are giving huge cheers because of the new leaderboard shit.

Charity goes to kids with cancer.
You can read more about it here: https://blog.twitch.tv/cheer-for-kids-show-support-for-extra-life-with-charity-3ae682ec5b5a

Phil is talking about the #charity thing now.
"if it's no skin off your back, and no skin off my back"

EDIT:
Absolute proof that Phil doesn't read chat at all. He said someone sent him the link (despite it showing up 3-4 times already in chat) and he read through it.

After reading about it and learning that none of his income would be affected, he praised the charity hashtag and send people should go ahead and use it.

 

[Rare Drop]

I'll leave the elaboration on the other threads but I'm continually awed and a little tickled how Phil's toxicity and almost
magical tendency to sow drama is so potent its apparently seeped into and is wrecking havoc even in the
detractor community. And he did it largely just by being in the back of people's minds. He really does seem
to attract and bring out the worst in everyone and everything around him sometimes. Often while stumbling around inadvertently.
He's like a radioactive Mr. Magoo/Master Shake.

Like someone said earlier in the thread, Phil is a complex and simple fuck-up at once. Simple in that he's messed up almost every choice in his career and life, complex in how he somehow managed to fuck up all those opportunities. But that trait is probably why he ends up attracting A-logs and the like: He's such a screw-up on so many fronts, some start to feel they can never end up like them, so you end up with other cows taking jabs at him, or in a fatal case, a story like Fred's. I'll leave it at that, hard to tell if this post belongs here or at the Fred thread.

 

[DonaldChump]

He was super bitching about how hot it's been and how he's looking forward to it cooling down.

The hottest it's been this year in his city is 95 degrees. The only other two days it's been over 90 it was 93 degrees. That is mild af.

Fuck thats like nice weather where i live. I go walking and biking and shit in that weather.

Just a thought, but in light of all those situations and examples I'm more inclined to believe Phil may have ADD which prevents him from being able to concentrate (the below is actually written by a doctor who seems to specialize in ADD):

I am not suggesting that individuals with ADD/ADHD are intentionally narcissistic, but I am saying that it is common with us ADD/ADHD folk. Here’s a perfect example…I am not a go-with-the-flow kind of guy. It has impacted my relationships over the years. It is not that I am not open to new things; I just live in a certain comfort zone. While some of this may be narcissistic, it has other factors involved as well. The best way for me to manage my ADHD is to regiment myself. I do things a certain way because it helps me function both personally and professionally. Other people don’t always see this, so they assume I am acting selfish.
http://adhdefcoach.com/2011/06/28/the-narcissism-of-add-adhd/
​

Obviously I'm not a doctor, but it may explain a lot of things about Phil. ADD people can be known to overspend, have low impulse control, and several other things. It may explain why simple tasks are so dramatic/insurmountable to him.

Anyway, that's just a thought I had.

I wrote this the other day but kept it as a draft, but this actually emboldened me, that someone else kinda sees it too.

I brought it up once before and i dont want to sperg but i honestly think this motherfucker has ADD. I even wrote a huge ass effortpost once about why I think that. Being unable to plan, he gets bored of games, he doesnt think beyond the immediate, his thirst for instant gratification rather than long term goals even if those goals would pay off more, his inability to stop rocking and flailing around like a spastic when he streams, his poor performance in games because he cant notice shit, the fact that he thinks about himself first and is oblivious to others and cant comprehend their feelings or relate to them, it's all there.

Like I know 'everyone has ADD' but I think he really does have it, at the very least something wrong upstairs.

I could sperg about this quite a bit but the thing is, ADD is a learning disorder in a very literal sense of the word. You have to read things or do things over and over and over before it starts to sink in, and memory recall is impacted as well. It explains why he's so shit at games, and his inability to fully focus on games or see everything at once, plan things in games, leaves him confused when things start moving fast. One other trait that isnt really concrete in his case, but explains a lot is that people with ADD are way more likely to have trouble making and maintaining friends and relationships. It's something like 50% of people with ADD struggle with this, miss social cues and nonverbal cues, compared to like 10% of normal people. Phil never had a lot of friends and certainly has trouble maintaining any sort of relationship, even with his viewers.

 

[neger psykolog]

Phil is talking about how he is pretty excited about the Twitch extensions.

Says the leaderboard system will be great for when people have cheer wars and its a way for them to get "additional credit" for their cheers.

Says there will be systems to start gathering stats from games (i.e. kills/deaths) which he thinks will help out with his stream.

He doesn't have much else to talk about.
This weekend he will set up the new patreon goal, which will likely be the Halloween goal again but he will solidify that this weekend. He doesn't have time to do it now because:
"I don't have time right now I'm double streaming each day"

The Patreon official website has very little about how to set goals:
https://learn.patreon.com/build/getting-started-with-goals/
This indicates it probably would take Phil 30-45 seconds at most to do.


EDIT:
Phil received a tip talking about SoK and asking his opinion. He is stating that he hasn't ever cared and never will. Doesn't want to talk about it. Says he's received lots of messages and links about it but doesn't care.
Choice quotes:

"not here for any of the drama, it's always been superfulous to what I want to do"
"you guys want to follow that shit, I can't make you do or not do something"
"if anyone cheers me about it, I'm going to ignore it"​

EDIT:
Received a tip mentioning he got shitty comments on his videos. DSP said he knew this, and never reads the comments on YouTube because they're shit.
He said he previously asked his viewers if he should disable comments and they all complained.
He is considering disabling them again.

EDIT:
Received a tip asking about whether his health insurance deductible was still $5000. He responded saying it was more like $4500 and then said there was no way to fix it besides paying a lot more in health insurance premiums.

Claims to pay $300 a month in health insurance premiums. Claims that was one of the cheapest ones.

Remarkably, that was it for prestream. Quite short.

 

[tomstone]

I'll leave the elaboration on the other threads but I'm continually awed and a little tickled how Phil's toxicity and almost
magical tendency to sow drama is so potent its apparently seeped into and is wrecking havoc even in the
detractor community. And he did it largely just by being in the back of people's minds. He really does seem
to attract and bring out the worst in everyone and everything around him sometimes even some of his critics. Often while stumbling around inadvertently.
He's like a radioactive Mr. Magoo/Master Shake.

he talks about donating and not talking about it? wtf

 

[neger psykolog]

I wrote this the other day but kept it as a draft, but this actually emboldened me, that someone else kinda sees it too.

I brought it up once before and i dont want to sperg but i honestly think this motherfucker has ADD. I even wrote a huge ass effortpost once about why I think that. Being unable to plan, he gets bored of games, he doesnt think beyond the immediate, his thirst for instant gratification rather than long term goals even if those goals would pay off more, his inability to stop rocking and flailing around like a spastic when he streams, his poor performance in games because he cant notice shit, the fact that he thinks about himself first and is oblivious to others and cant comprehend their feelings or relate to them, it's all there.

Like I know 'everyone has ADD' but I think he really does have it, at the very least something wrong upstairs.

I could sperg about this quite a bit but the thing is, ADD is a learning disorder in a very literal sense of the word. You have to read things or do things over and over and over before it starts to sink in, and memory recall is impacted as well. It explains why he's so shit at games, and his inability to fully focus on games or see everything at once, plan things in games, leaves him confused when things start moving fast. One other trait that isnt really concrete in his case, but explains a lot is that people with ADD are way more likely to have trouble making and maintaining friends and relationships. It's something like 50% of people with ADD struggle with this, miss social cues and nonverbal cues, compared to like 10% of normal people. Phil never had a lot of friends and certainly has trouble maintaining any sort of relationship, even with his viewers.

Interestingly, a common connection with ADD is using excuses/laziness. ADD seems to explain a lot more about Phil than narcissism.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/may-i-have-your-attention/201204/are-people-adhd-lazy

"Ned Hallowell likes to talk about the "moral diagnosis" of ADHD—the idea that ADHD symptoms, such as difficulty completing tasks or having trouble sitting still, are really moral shortcomings. “If Johnny would just try harder…he has so much untapped potential…” is a common refrain heard by those with ADHD when they are growing up—implying that, unlike you and me, Johnny doesn’t care whether he succeeds or fails. Or that he is simply lazy. Or selfish. The "moral diagnosis" was what people used to turn to when they didn't know as much about ADHD as we do now—that it is biologically based, and not a matter of willpower."

"Yet the idea that a person with ADHD is just being lazy is amazingly persistent. This doesn’t adequately acknowledge the significant amount of effort that they are often exerting. Their minds are working away, trying really hard to organize a boatload of undifferentiated information in their brains, even as they might seem "lazy" because they have trouble completing (and sometimes even starting!) tasks. "

"ADHD adults can tell you they are working really hard to get mentally organized—expending tons of energy on it—yet are frustrated that they get consistent feedback from important people (teachers when younger, parents, spouses, friends) that they aren't working hard enough. This confuses hard work with results—and the two are sometimes strikingly disconnected for those with ADHD."

Interesting to read the NIMH page on it too.
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder-adhd/index.shtml