Law California now a Sanctuary State - tops list for stupidiest decision made

California becomes first 'sanctuary state' for undocumented migrants

Los Angeles (AFP) - California became the first "sanctuary state" for undocumented immigrants Friday, a decision criticized by the Trump administration which believes the move will compromise security.

California's governor, Democrat Jerry Brown, signed the landmark legislation -- Senate Bill 54 (SB54) -- which grants better protections to people who are in the US without permission, including those who have committed crimes.

It also limits cooperation between local police forces and federal authorities in operations to track down undocumented immigrants.

The legislation, which will come into effect on January 1, 2018, is part of a series of laws which protect the almost 3 million undocumented immigrants living in California -- most of whom are from Mexico and Central America.

Brown insisted in his signing statement the measure will not "prevent or prohibit Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) or the Department of Homeland Security from doing their own work in any way" -- but it will stop local authorities from assisting.

"They are free to use their own considerable resources to enforce federal immigration law in California," he wrote, adding that the new legislation will not deny ICE access to prisons.

But in a statement, ICE acting director Tom Homan responded: "The governor is simply wrong."

The law will "undermine public safety and hinder ICE from performing its federally mandated mission," Homan said.

"Ultimately, SB54 (...) creates another magnet for more illegal immigration," he insisted, adding ICE will have "no choice but to conduct at-large arrests in local neighborhoods and at worksites, which will inevitably result in additional collateral arrests."

ICE said it will also likely send immigrants arrested in California to detention centers outside of the state, "far from any family they may have in California."

A number of cities in California, such as Los Angeles and San Francisco, have already banned police officers from collaborating with ICE on operations to capture undocumented immigrants.

Last week, ICE detained 450 undocumented immigrants in the United States -- 101 of whom were in Los Angeles.

The bill signed into law by Brown also includes assistance for students and measures to combat abuse of tenants.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/californ...ry-state-undocumented-migrants-230001006.html
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[Chill Fam]

Spoiler: The rest of the US to California

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

That's pretty much right. Federal law is the domain of the federal government.

Guess how much states are obligated to assist the federal government?

Any guess other than "jack shit" is wrong.

Not being allowed to impede the enforcement of federal law does not mean obligation actually to spend state funds enforcing it.

Though it does doesn't make you any friends when they actually need the feds' help.

 

[Vault Boy]

If it means that California can serve as an example to other cities and states contemplating becoming sanctuaries, so be it. If you want to become sanctuaries so badly, then accept the fact that your federal funding will get cut in addition of having to support people who don't pay taxes.

 

[Linako 2.0]

Isn't declaring oneself to be a sanctuary state is considered an act of treason and thus grounds for a war?

A democrat state violating federal laws to keep their slaves....
I wonder why this keeps me reminding of something....

Civil War wasn't about slaves, ya dingus. slaves being liberated was a strategic afterthought for the Feds to cripple the Confederate army even more.

 

[Taily Puff]

Build a wall around California and make Hollywood pay for it.

 

[Koby_Fish]

Nah, it won't be that bad, because there's a near-equal influx of new Californians for every person of means leaving the state, which is part of the problem as it creates even more Californians to contribute to the ongoing diaspora.

The general cycle seems to be:
-Move to CA as an idealistic kid recently graduating college (or move there to attend college) seeking opportunity
-Get caught up in the general fart-sniffing superiority of the two major metropolitan areas
-Hit the mid-20's and realize they're getting too old for underpaid gigs with little-to-no advancement while sharing a 3 bedroom apartment with 4 people
-Realize it's extremely unlikely they will ever be able to afford their own place, buy a house, or settle down in their current area
-Listen to people 5-10 years older than them break the superiority bubble as they whine about tax rates, how public schools are terrible in the area but private schools are unable to meet demand, and how high the crime and homelessness rate is
-Get offended that CA is run by charlatans and neoliberals insufficiently committed to the progressive cause (or sometimes chalk it up as a fluke due to administrative incompetence rather than a flaw in the underlying governance philosophy)
-Move to the closest out-of-state metropolitan area that has its shit marginally more together than CA
-Vote for the same policies that created the dystopia they just escaped from

California is basically a cancer incubator for the rest of the country. I imagine the cycle is rather similar on the East Coast with New Yorkers.

California must have the same variety of Purple Flavor-Aid knock-off Koolaid laced with cyanide that the East Coast started giving everybody in their region.

 

[Clownfish]

Isn't declaring oneself to be a sanctuary state is considered an act of treason and thus grounds for a war?

.

Like I said turn Cali into a prison colony and processing center for undocumented migrants.

Got too high of a population in Missouri prison system? Send them to California and have them on the dole. Got refugees from Syria? Send them to California. If they complain just call them racist and watch the place burn.

 

[Linako 2.0]

Like I said turn Cali into a prison colony and processing center for undocumented migrants.

Got too high of a population in Missouri prison system? Send them to California and have them on the dole. Got refugees from Syria? Send them to California. If they complain just call them racist and watch the place burn.

 

[Cheesegirl78]

Like I said turn Cali into a prison colony and processing center for undocumented migrants.

Got too high of a population in Missouri prison system? Send them to California and have them on the dole. Got refugees from Syria? Send them to California. If they complain just call them racist and watch the place burn.

I love the weather and the variety of scenery, but if it wasn't for family, (elderly parents) we would leave California. Too expensive and outright crazy.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

So does this mean that the entire state gets federally defunded? And you are all acting like this is a BAD thing?

Seriously, Commiefornia is probably the worst place on Earth. If all of the illegals want to go there and work $1.25/hr to pick grapes raisins off the vine out in wine country, then by all means, I wish them well, so long as they stay the fuck out of actual America. If Calexit happens, or the Californians want civil war, then let them secede, one RV full of National Guardsmen should be enough to re-annex the state once all of the Communists, Jews, and faggots are killed in the self-devouring aftermath of such actions.

 

[AnOminous]

So does this mean that the entire state gets federally defunded?

And you are all acting like this is a BAD thing?

No. But what it does mean is that when the feds are essentially forced to step in to fill the gap here, they're not going to be pleasant about it and they aren't going to give two shits if they step on some tender toes.

And if anyone is fool enough actually to interfere directly with feds enforcing federal law, I would not be at all surprised to see them prosecuted aggressively, though to be fair, California's blindingly stupid legislature is hardly free from blame either.

I expect there will be highly ramped up enforcement to make an example of California, lest other states feel like boarding the crazy train themselves.

While I have pointed out repeatedly that states are not obligated to enforce federal law, and at the very least, when they do, they should be compensated by the feds for their assistance, this does not mean the feds are obliged to be nice about it when they step into the breach and enforce these laws directly.

I personally think that in the interests of comity and federalism, it would have been far better for the feds to earmark funds on a take it or leave it basis to local authorities who could more efficiently do local law enforcement, and revert those funds to the federal authorities if the locals chose not to do it for whatever reason, but what California has done basically forces the issue.

This should have been handled in a less dumb manner by both sides, though, and frankly, Trump's ineptitude and complete lack of interest in how government actually works more or less provoked this. To be fair, though, California's blindingly stupid legislature is hardly free from blame either.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

Followup question, can ICE or the Feds be kicked out of California by any sort of state mandate? The State may not have to enforce federal law, but surely it can't force the federal government out, right? It's not like California has its own Army or defense beyond state police, and they'd probably not be very interested in being conscripted to push the feds out.

One way or another, California is showing itself to be truly exceptional, and it absolutely will be humiliated in the near future, but I'm wondering how.

 

[AnOminous]

Followup question, can ICE or the Feds be kicked out of California by any sort of state mandate? The State may not have to enforce federal law, but surely it can't force the federal government out, right?

Absolutely not. Anyone interfering with the enforcement of federal law would be guilty of serious crimes and would be subject to any treatment up to and including just shooting them on the spot if necessary.

One way or another, California is showing itself to be truly exceptional, and it absolutely will be humiliated in the near future, but I'm wondering how.

My guess, considering the current executive, is that there will be highly aggressive enforcement by ICE which will be much more hostile than it otherwise would have been.

This is too bad for some people who probably don't deserve that kind of treatment, but I'm sort of hoping Pajeet really takes it in the ass as a result.

 

[Echo_Ender]

How to get ICE to take off it's kiddie gloves when fucking up your precious illegals AND lose your Federal Funding in one swift move.

Good job, Commies. That'll show that evil Drumph!

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Followup question, can ICE or the Feds be kicked out of California by any sort of state mandate? The State may not have to enforce federal law, but surely it can't force the federal government out, right? It's not like California has its own Army or defense beyond state police, and they'd probably not be very interested in being conscripted to push the feds out.

One way or another, California is showing itself to be truly exceptional, and it absolutely will be humiliated in the near future, but I'm wondering how.

If they're operating within their perview, and they absolutely would be here? Fuck no.

 

[Linako 2.0]

I heard Drumpf is sending the feds as we speak.
salt thread when?

 

[AnOminous]

How to get ICE to take off it's kiddie gloves when fucking up your precious illegals AND lose your Federal Funding in one swift move.

Good job, Commies. That'll show that evil Drumph!

The ultimate result will be that they aren't a sanctuary state, and will instead be an intensely targeted enforcement state by the feds.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

The ultimate result will be that they aren't a sanctuary state, and will instead be an intensely targeted enforcement state by the feds.

Do the feds have the manpower to enforce the law where they deem it necessary, if California remains utterly uncooperative? It's a huge and very populous state.

It was my (likely incorrect understanding) that immigration agencies had always been undermanned and underfunded. What if California just continues to tell them to shove off? It's not like you can send in the army if California isn't violently rebelling, and that probably wouldn't help round up illegals, anyway, right?

 

[AnOminous]

Do the feds have the manpower to enforce the law where they deem it necessary, if California remains utterly uncooperative? It's a huge and very populous state.

It was my (likely incorrect understanding) that immigration agencies had always been undermanned and underfunded. What if California just continues to tell them to shove off? It's not like you can send in the army if California isn't violently rebelling, and that probably wouldn't help round up illegals, anyway, right?

Trump has made immigration a signature issue of his Presidency. If he can't do it, he's a pussy.

I'm pretty sure, considering the emphasis that he's placed on this issue, that he's going to do everything in his power to make this an enforcement priority. Considering the budgetary limitations, this might mean enforcement in other places suffers.

I strongly suspect, though, that he can get Congressional support for legislation earmarking funds for this. He might even get Democrats on board on this, and score a much-needed legislative victory to counter the charge that his Presidency has so far been vaporware.

 

[DICKPICSRUS]

Use California as a shield against North Korea nukes