Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[CrunkLord420]

let them have the carcass of this dying medium

 

[GloryHole Stalker]

I feel like its almost too little too late to save the comic industry from diversity hiring. As in, that we've gone too far with this road to the point where we can't see our way back. At this point maybe its time for another "Dark Night Returns". Not in tone nor edgyness, but I mean in the sense that it gives us something new, something to give us some fresh air. Now I know may now may hate TDKR or even the author himself, but no one can deny the cultural significance it had. I think if we had something like that now it would either make or break the comic industry. But then again who am I to talk about an industry I have barely an knowledge about.

There was a large enough user base at the time TDKR and Watchmen came out that allowed them to have the impact that it had with people already reading comics and then spreading into the mainstream. Those numbers have shrank considerably, the business is much different than it was in the 80's (no newsstand presence is it's biggest problem IMO) and who in the business would be capable of delivering that kind of story?..... NAH, SJWs or not, the comic book industry is screwed,

 

[Chaos Theorist]

There was a large enough user base at the time TDKR and Watchmen came out that allowed them to have the impact that it had with people already reading comics and then spreading into the mainstream. Those numbers have shrank considerably, the business is much different than it was in the 80's (no newsstand presence is it's biggest problem IMO) and who in the business would be capable of delivering that kind of story?..... NAH, SJWs or not, the comic book industry is screwed,

That and manga providing more bang for your buck.

 

[Irwin M. Felcher]

i don't care about comic books but i think captian america should be black

I swear I remember reading that they were going to pass his shield on to a Sikh at some point.

 

[Chaos Theorist]

I swear I remember reading that they were going to pass his shield on to a Sikh at some point.

That was Captain Britain and a Muslim.

 

[Bani]

This is a little bit tangential, but it was kind of refreshing to come across EVS's moderate political viewpoints- everything else I've known about him before has pertained to his artwork. I don't even necessarily align myself politically with him, it's just nice to come across somebody who is both outspoken and moderate.

This is why political labels are the source of a lot of problems. It's annoying that people will inevitably read his twitter bio and immediately assume he's some sort of bigot. I went through his tweets, and he seems to me to be one of those conservative-policy liberal-social-values people.

My point is that the guy isn't siding with Comicsgate because he's a republican (as many in the opposition have and will mistakenly assume), but because the dude's watched the diversity-over-substance craze eat away at the industry he's spent over thirty years in.

Thing is, diversity can be done well, but it's like putting salt in cookie dough. The dough needs a little bit of salt, otherwise the cookies are too sweet, but too much salt and you get some nasty cookies. Marvel's recent ventures are some salty-ass cookies.

People were fine with diversity when it came to characters like Wiccan because his sexuality felt natural and inconsequential. While being gay was part of his character, it didn't define him and he wasn't a preachy little brat like America Chavez. That's the kind of diversity that works- it's tasteful and it feels organic, not politically motivated or pander-y.

 

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who in the business would be capable of delivering that kind of story?

Probably someone like Scott Snyder or Jeff Lemire, those are good writers. Ed Brubaker, although he is doing more indie work atm.

Some of the SJW ones are also good at what they do, like Gail Simone for example, it's just that they are focusing on SocJus more than their jobs.

That and manga providing more bang for your buck.

IMO, Manga's biggest advantage is its self-contained nature, you will never see Shonen Jump telling you that you have to watch the Jump Super Ultra Crossover or you won't understand the next chapter of One Piece.

This is a little bit tangential, but it was kind of refreshing to come across EVS's moderate political viewpoints- everything else I've known about him before has pertained to his artwork. I don't even necessarily align myself politically with him, it's just nice to come across somebody who is both outspoken and moderate.

This is why political labels are the source of a lot of problems. It's annoying that people will inevitably read his twitter bio and immediately assume he's some sort of bigot. I went through his tweets, and he seems to me to be one of those conservative-policy liberal-social-values people.

My point is that the guy isn't siding with Comicsgate because he's a republican (as many in the opposition have and will mistakenly assume), but because the dude's watched the diversity-over-substance craze eat away at the industry he's spent over thirty years in.

Honestly, Ethan comes across as a good dude, he has the patience of a saint, which showed during the Melissa Morgue incident. And his art is simply godly.

Thing is, diversity can be done well, but it's like putting salt in cookie dough. The dough needs a little bit of salt, otherwise the cookies are too sweet, but too much salt and you get some nasty cookies. Marvel's recent ventures are some salty-ass cookies.

People were fine with diversity when it came to characters like Wiccan because his sexuality felt natural and inconsequential. While being gay was part of his character, it didn't define him and he wasn't a preachy little brat like America Chavez. That's the kind of diversity that works- it's tasteful and it feels organic, not politically motivated or pander-y.

Exactly, diversity isn't something you pursue for itself, because it becomes meta if you write a natural-sounding diverse character (like, would any normie tell anyone that they're gay/trans/Muslim/bi within the 1st five minutes of meeting them?).

Another example I like to point to is Jaime Reyes, the 2nd Blue Beetle, his series was one I personally enjoyed, because it never made you feel like an outsider when you read it, compare this to America Chavez, where every 3rd word is Spanish for some reason.

 

[Hiragana]

That milkshake photo is the only mixed gender group photo I've seen where the men and women look like they have equal amounts of testosterone.

And equal amount of milkshake in their system.

 

[AJ 447]

Some of the SJW ones are also good at what they do, like Gail Simone for example, it's just that they are focusing on SocJus more than their jobs.

I think Gail Simone being an SJW has always been secondary to her being, apparently, insufferable to work with. I'm always that Gail will get her shit together and work her way back onto a bigger book.

 

[Pikimon]

i don't care about comic books but i think captian america should be black

How black? Like Sammy Rosa black or Lupita Nyongo black?

 

[Bani]

i don't care about comic books but i think captian america should be black

Technically, there already is a black Captain America. Isaiah Bradley was part of a series of super-soldier experiments attempting to recreate the success of Steve Rogers. Bradley was the only one to survive both the experiments and deployment. He wasn't active as a hero for very long, though.

His grandson Eli is Patriot, who was the "Captian America" of Young Avengers until cunty America Chavez replaced him for really flimsy in-universe reasons.

 

[Adolf Von Merkel]

You can put politics and some of your thought in the comic(captain america begin like that) BUT the comic need to be fun.

He's gotten better of late, but he has a rep of using blockbots and being a bit of an asshat. They called him Slotto Blocktavius.

I remember he post on /co/ to defend himself and got caught.

We need to start posting more screenshots. I might get to that tomorrow.

Not only screenshot, we also need to archive everything.

i don't care about comic books but i think captian america should be black

A ciberbullying Black cap with PTSD who was doxed by the white and evil kiwichan

 

[David_cadbury]

Another Gate!

Anything else we can slap a gate onto the back of?

Why didn't they call that last thing Weinsteingate?

Or Hollygate?

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

Where's the conspiracy

 

[CatParty]

Comic books are for autistic children.

It’s true! I’ve seen all the long posts in this thread and believe me, sjws are the least of their problems

 

[HG 400]

sjws are the least of their problems

Every week SJWs change their hair colour. When you have a unique and special condition like comic book fans have, that makes them a huge problem.

 

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Where's the conspiracy

There is no real conspiracy that started this, nothing like the Zoe Quinn stuff. It's mainly that the complaints of the readership built up over time, eventually giving rise to the comic roasting youtubers.

The leading figures have so far been adept at avoiding a lot of the GG autism, in that they don't care who's writing, but about the quality of the product. (With the exception of exceptional people like Rivera, who has proven she can't write shit).

However, the other side has been proven to be part of multiple exceptional conspiracies to harm or deplatform those YouTubers, these are mentioned in the OP.

Every week SJWs change their hair colour. When you have a unique and special condition like comic book fans have, that makes them a huge problem.

What about SJW comic fans?

 

[Lurkette]

that is one ugly ass captain america js

 

[Coconut Gun]

Is Pro-CG the side against SJWs, or are they the SJWs?

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Is Pro-CG the side against SJWs, or are they the SJWs?

Autism. They're on the side of fucking autism.

Doesn't matter.