Dramacow Ivy Hollivana / Amelia Augusta / m00nbeans & mstradock / Radock / Andrtunes / Andrew Lloyd - Edgy Musician, Salty SJW Whale Accused of Rape & Angry Transtrender Boyfriend; Involved in a Suicide

To play the devil's advocate: Aside from an "anonymous tip," do we have actual evidence of this Tom person being harassed so badly he committed suicide? I mean actual screencaps or something, not just hearsay. Saying that Amelia made Tom kill himself is a pretty serious accusation. If Amelia's side of the story is even 20% true, then it sounds like Tom had some pretty serious mental health problems.

InLivingTuna said:
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Yep, we're a bunch of incels alright. That's exactly why incels are mocked and ridiculed on here.
 
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neyvaraez said:
have a random fun fact: she used to lurk 4chan a lot and even bought into some fake psychic posting on one of the boards.
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That means she was (is?) an /x/ poster, which pretty much certifies that she's batshit insane. That board is populated with flat earthers and legitimate schizophrenics. No one un-ironically goes to /x/ without being nuts.
 
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Stock Image Photographer said:
Is there any chance that she would flip to the "men can't be raped" side of social justice if these accusations are true, because that would be hilarious.
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To be fair, the "men can't be raped because PRIVILEGE" mob are seen as exceptional by even other SJWs. But it's not that far away from the "male rape isn't a major problem because WIMMIN HAVE IT WORSE" brigade, who are widespread. Unfortunately.
 
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Cosmos said:
To play the devil's advocate: Aside from an "anonymous tip," do we have actual evidence of this Tom person being harassed so badly he committed suicide? I mean actual screencaps or something, not just hearsay. Saying that Amelia made Tom kill himself is a pretty serious accusation. If Amelia's side of the story is even 20% true, then it sounds like Tom had some pretty serious mental health problems.
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That part of the story comes from YouChew user Shane Smith (Malkmusian), someone who knew both Andrew (Radock) and Tom (Rokto) intimately (they were both infamous trolls who have been banned from the site);
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I don't have the Twitter posts so I can't say anything definitively, but we know Ivy is making shit up about the nature of their relationship in their final months and Andrew has been almost radio silence since the allegations dropped. I can't see a reason Shane would make any of this up, Rokto hated him so much that someone brought it up on here 2 full years ago. Why would he do a 180 and defend him just to fuck with Radock?
 
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Ginger Piglet said:
To be fair, the "men can't be raped because PRIVILEGE" mob are seen as exceptional by even other SJWs. But it's not that far away from the "male rape isn't a major problem because WIMMIN HAVE IT WORSE" brigade, who are widespread. Unfortunately.
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I've come to the conclusion that the latter group holds the same beliefs as the former, it's just that they care more about optics and they know they'll be looked down on for saying what they really think publicly.
Back on topic, I think I was being a bit :optimistic: with my prediction. She'll probably just refuse to address it directly at all or keep lying.
 
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Ginger Piglet said:
But what has she to be remorseful about? The dead guy had like way more privilege.
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It’s actually hard being a mentally ill man. Women are often stereotyped as being more commonly mentally ill than men, and men are expected to hold it together. I’m not saying that either side has it worse than the other, but the reason why so many guys who commit suicide suffer in silence (and so many people in general who commit suicide suffer in silence) is because they fear the social stigma of mental illness being used against them. She’s literally so absorbed in her own fat rolls that she can’t even extend her sympathies for the guys death and is fixated on her own self, what a cunt.

Political extremist behavior really doesn’t breed anything except exceptional responses, doesn’t it. All these whiny twats and their “poor poor pitiful me” spiels regarding dumb shit (usually race based, like bitch I do not give a fuck about your whiteness or PoCness or whatever your claim to victim fame is I care about whether you’re an asshole or not), shut the fuck up, someone out there is “suffering” more than you.

MintChocolateChip said:
That means she was (is?) an /x/ poster, which pretty much certifies that she's batshit insane. That board is populated with flat earthers and legitimate schizophrenics. No one un-ironically goes to /x/ without being nuts.
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/x/ used to be one of the only 4ch boards I could tolerate. At least back in the late 00s early 2010s I read quite a few things there that I enjoyed amidst the insanity, even if they were likely utter horse manure (credibility wise). Haven’t lurked there in years so it’s probably horrid now
 
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She said in the Pastebin that she softblocked him. Can't even keep the story straight.
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Didn't she also mention in the pastebin she'd been wanting to talk to him to smooth things out and that's why it was only a soft block?

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Also, this thread didn't even get featured until after she acknowledged the rumors. The topic had basically just been written off as interesting, but unsubstantiated. I (and assume most people on this site) had no idea who this bitch was before that, and it would have stayed that way if she hadn't decided to run her mouth off about how victimized she is.
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Exactly. There's been more activity in this thread in the past day because of her complaining about a post nobody noticed than in the last like, 9 months that this thread was languishing at 3 pages.
 
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InLivingTuna said:
She posted a Pastebin about this relationship, which I'll include below:
http://archive.is/0Q3zu
  1. tw: abuse, harassment, suicide, r*pe mention, stalking

  3. this will go into sections:

  5. PRE-HELLSCAPE:

  7. last year, i met someone named tom. he was a mutual friend with my friends and we started talking on discord. he was funny, kind, and he made music. i learned he was dealing with very difficult problems, including money, mental illness, and being jobless. he also said about two years ago he was abused by his gf at the time. i became very concerned about him, so i started talking to him more and got closer with him to keep him company. eventually, i got a crush on him. i told him while talking to him one day, and he was pleasantly surprised, saying we could make it work. i was so happy, and we did more one on one calls for months, learning about each other and listening to music to calm him down when he had panic attacks. i just wanted to help someone i loved, and show them the care they deserved. we started skyping, and after a few calls it progressed into sex. it was awkward and rushed and fumbly, like we weren't really vibing right, and we agreed we wouldn't do it again. so we didn't. we still flirted, and exchanged i love you's quite often. we always agreed we weren't "dating" as we had shit to focus on and it was just something we were feeling out. we talked about our lives, and the music we wanted to make together.

  9. tom started becoming distant after a few months and i was (sadly) still very much in love with him, which sucked. he would talk about other people with me and how hot they were, and me, unfortunately being a flawed, jealous person, would get hurt. i would ask him during this time if he still cared about me, or loved me still like he said he did. he was vague with his answers, and i should have accepted the natural end of things but my dumb ass wanted a straight up answer. one day i asked him "did you ever love me?" and his answer really struck a chord with me. he said he never really did, that he was just using me loving him as a way to talk to anyone since he was going thru rough times. in that time, i was going thru leaving an abusive home, a bad relationship, and this all kind of brought everything down on me. it hurt to hear someone who claimed they loved you and said it all the time to you never really meant it. to be honest, i wish THIS was the worst thing i would deal with.

  11. HELLSCAPE:

  13. at first i told him all was ok. i was hurting and shutting down but i didnt want him to think ill of me so i just tried to not talk to him and cried a lot in my room. it was something i thought i could get over by avoiding him. unfortunately he noticed me avoiding him and we tried to talk it out. it ended pretty well on the surface level, but i still ended up softblocking him everywhere bc he made me so upset. this was the worst thing i could have done because now he was contacting me over and over, calling my phone like 50 times while i was at work, and trying to get to me. i should have tried to talk it out, but it hurt too much to try. this is where i fucked up, because avoiding problems literally caused the worst months of my life.

  15. i get home after he blows up my phone. i breathe. i wish he would just leave me alone. andrew is messaging him to tell him to stop. tom is telling him he needs to talk to me. i just want it to end. andrew then tells me the last message tom sent him says that i "r*ped" him. i stop, and look over, almost in a daze. What? What was he talking about? Wait, when we had SKYPE SEX ONCE?

  17. i'm a victim of sexual grooming and coercion. there was no word to describe how i felt, and how i still feel, about being accused of something so grossly vile and heinous, and have it be because of consensual skype sex between adults. i immediately called him, and asked him to clarify.

  19. "oh, haha. you know i just said that to get your attention, right?"

  21. i was too surprised to be enraged? i just kinda sat there in shock. he accused me of this shit without believing any of it, just to get my attention. i was horrified. he went on about how i was a terrible person for blocking him, and how he felt like a robot that could do anything. he said he was by his window, ready to jump. he told me over and over, on the phone, how he was going to kill himself with me on the phone and that there was nothing i could do. i was begging him to stop, to please listen to me that he had so much to live for. that he was kind and talented and didn't have to do this. i talked him down from his window and the last thing i ever told him was how much fun i had watching him play bloodborne. he hung up.

  23. we texted, he said he would try to talk tomorrow when he wasn't in an episode. i didn't blame him and knew his illness wasn't him, and i just wanted to talk to him when he had a clear head. he asked me if i deleted tweets venting about him on my private. I did, so i said yes. he then sends me a screenshot of my own locked twitter, showing the replies i forgot to delete talking about him. he had someone leak my tweets to him and started threatening me. i was so exhausted and scared and he tried to call my phone like 50 times that night. all because i forgot to delete replies that are justifiably hard to remember? also he had someone leak my private account so. i just. i just don't know. we never spoke after that. for days i was rattled, not really sure what had happened. all i knew that i was scared because i knew tom had a history of stalking people he didn't like.

  25. and then came the hate messages. i deleted most of them bc i never thought i would have to like write this and i understand that sucks. this is why i tell ppl to hold onto shit like this no matter how hard it is to look at. i only have one that i saved (https://i.imgur.com/5fM7r7m.png) that wasn't bad compared to the other ones, and legit i only saved it bc i laughed at the "shitty fl studio music" part. the rest were details about him having sex with women hotter than me, how fat i was, how unlovable i was. basically shit i've been told since high school. if this was anyone else telling me this shit i would laugh it off, but bc it was tom it really dug deep into me. i just ignored it and deleted most of it bc i wanted to move past from this.

  27. months past. i actually got in touch with his "ex" and it turned out he never was with her, and after she cut contact w him he had basically been sending hate to her for years, calling her slurs and all that sort of crap he had been sending me. another girl i met said she also got shit from tom like that and i was beginning to see i was just part of the pattern he exhibited. i never wanted to speak to him again. so i didn't.

  29. more months past. one night i have a dream about tom and how i was trying to find him, to make sure he was alive. it shook me when i woke up in the middle of the night, and i had the urge to search his name to see if something had happened.

  31. sure enough, he had killed himself in october. he was only 21. i crumbled right then and there. For months i had been wanting to try and talk to him to see if we could be friends again and help him but i was too scared of him. though, my feelings were still there. Dampened by fear and the abuse i suffered, but still there. i just wanted him to be alive again, and i still wish that sometimes.

  33. when an abuser who you loved dies, the mix of emotions you feel is scary wild and i still haven't processed it yet. i just try to keep going day to day and to help anyone i can while still taking care of myself.

  35. POST HELLSCAPE (The Reason im writing all of this shit)

  37. so after all that, im here to address the reason im here, writing this. theres a thread about me on kiwifarms, the notorious Nazi Stalker Forum, saying im a Big Fat Whore SJW. thats all true and im not phased by it at all. however, there was a post by someone saying tom killed himself because of me, and that i "molested" someone and that there's a pending trial. my friend ellie is shown in screenshots saying tom was kicked from my discord and that he accused me of rape. i am not a rapist. i can't believe i have to say this but i've never done any of that gross ass shit to anyone, and tom only accused me of it because he wanted me to pick up my goddamn phone. there's no other person involved, there's no goddamn trial, and i'm def not a fucking scumbag rapist. fuck everyone who is, they all will burn.

  39. if you have any questions, lmk. my dms are open. bless yall.

  41. -ivy

I never knew Rokto personally and I never knew Radock personally so this is all just speculative, if Rokto really did fake a rape accusation that's fucked up on his part, but please notice that Ivy, pretty conspicuously, ignores the main allegation being made; that Radock is the one who bullied Rokto into suicide.

I've been holding onto some screencaps for a while since I wasn't able to verify the details of this story but since Ivy's come out and put it all on the table already here's where the part of the story that Radock is involved comes from;
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Most of the users in the above image are former members of YouChew, particularly Shane Smith who's otherwise known as Malkmusian. This whole situation is fucked and I wish I could go back to the days when I came to this site to laugh at men who cum in orange soda and drink it.
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That part of the story comes from YouChew user Shane Smith (Malkmusian), someone who knew both Andrew (Radock) and Tom (Rokto) intimately (they were both infamous trolls who have been banned from the site);
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I don't have the Twitter posts so I can't say anything definitively, but we know Ivy is making shit up about the nature of their relationship in their final months and Andrew has been almost radio silence since the allegations dropped. I can't see a reason Shane would make any of this up, Rokto hated him so much that someone brought it up on here 2 full years ago. Why would he do a 180 and defend him just to fuck with Radock?
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I did not know that she was in a relationship with Rokto at one point.

Also, people in that Facebook thread that you brought up said that the circumstances leading up to Rokto's suicide might not have been what Malk described.

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McMangos. Rokto. Radock. All names I've long forgotten until now. I remember when Radock would sabotage the YCP site and DDoS it frequently, that it lead to a tracking of IPs which also meant no one could visit the site if there were two people in the same household who browsed. This was before the big attack by a person who helped fix the site then went rogue. Rokto was also a guy who dug up personal info on Negro Ted, who was once a bro, then turned outright asshole like banning a guy just because he didn't like him enough.
McMangos I remember a little bit more for his content. I don't think Radock made much YTP, I know Rokto was also Dr. Octorok and I forgot what exactly he did but I know that all three (or at least Radock and Rokto) have been permabanned.
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I actually occasionally talk to McMangos. I wonder what his levy on this whole situation is anyways.
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Given what multiple people have told me what Ivy and her friends did to McMaNGOS after Ivy and McMaNGOS broke up, I'm sure that he'd have a lot to say.
 
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Also, people in that Facebook thread that you brought up said that the circumstances leading up to Rokto's suicide might not have been what Malk described.
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The only person I've seen directly challenging the idea that Andrew was involved with Tom's death was Tacowiz (yes, our Tacowiz), and you and I both know how dumb he can be, this is the dude who drank random chemicals out of a mason jar on his windowsill. His story doesn't even make sense anyways (he was somehow playing messenger for Tom and Andrew but had no idea Tom died?) but I included it for posterity.

I'm not saying Andrew for sure was the reason Tom died, but this should be a very easy thing to disprove. If they really blocked Tom so long ago then idk why he hasn't just come out and said "here's the last convo I had with him and it was however long ago before he committed suicide".
 
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RepQuest said:
Read it again. That wasn't him.
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Ah, that was a little vague and I'm many years removed from this community so I apologize for getting that wrong. Rebecca Edens is Cynnico/Cynnamynn/SynisterSir and Dave Smithey is Tacowiz, my b.
 
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The only person I've seen directly challenging the idea that Andrew was involved with Tom's death was Tacowiz (yes, our Tacowiz), and you and I both know how dumb he can be, this is the dude who drank random chemicals out of a mason jar on his windowsill. His story doesn't even make sense anyways (he was somehow playing messenger for Tom and Andrew but had no idea Tom died?) but I included it for posterity.

I'm not saying Andrew for sure was the reason Tom died, but this should be a very easy thing to disprove. If they really blocked Tom so long ago then idk why he hasn't just come out and said "here's the last convo I had with him and it was however long ago before he committed suicide".
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It should be noted that Rebecca Eden (Who currently goes by SharkeButt, and has conveniently deleted his replies on the FB thread, presumably because it showed him going out of his way to talk down Malk and stonewall all discussion on the topic without clarifying anything) and other youchewers were keenly aware of Rokto's bad mental state. Not only they neglected to get him to seek any genuine help, some of them went as far as to use Tom as their personal attack dog and basically tell him "you're a good boi you dindu nuffin wrong" in spite of his tumblr/twitter being nonstop drama mongering with everything and everyone. I would assume they've been doing the same with Radock, and are still at it even after Tom's demise.
 
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