TGWTG "Nostalgia Critic" / Doug Walker, Rob Walker, Mike Michaud, Mike Ellis, Holly Christine Brown, et al - The Incompetent Predator-Protecting Upper Management of Channel Awesome, Doug Still Not That Funny

The thing is there, is that I think we can all agree that the last thing we could call anyone at CA these days is 'smart'.
And more so since, even though the contributors knew, it was only during the making of the document and no time sooner.

And of course, Mike would still find some way to fuck things up for himself even with the advantage literally given to him on a silver platter.
 
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Dan talking about this in the Something Awful Internet Critic thread. tldr: They knew for about two weeks and were expecting the victims to want to let sleeping dogs lie, now Dan's getting pissy that a lot of people are gonna pry into the producer's lives to see if any of them knew about Justin before this.

He...hes blaming fucking GAMERGATE for the fact he and his friends didnt have the guts or moral character to out a pedophile while he was alive or after he was dead?!

Jesus fucking christ
 
So out of the three main women behind the CA doc, Holly, as one of the higher-ups, knew what was really up with J-Dub and had kept her mouth shut for the longest time. Kaylyn/MarzGurl claims she didn't know until just recently.

That leaves us with Allison/Lupa. As the undeniable spearhead of this massive campaign of ex-contributors against an autistic Internet site, where does she stand in regards to this whole bombshell of information that just keeps on delivering?
 

I finally understand why JW had that sudden breakdown at the 3 minute mark of this video. This whole CA situation is getting more surreal by the moment.


Doug's face at the beginning. Watching this for the first time ages ago made me think that he was being awkward and didn't really know how to address how he was feeling.

Watching it now makes so much fucking sense.
 
This isn't an accurate summation of how defamation works, and Jew Wario wouldn't have won a defamation suit if he filed it. Also, what you say about former employers isn't true—they certainly can give out the fact of why and how you were terminated. They usually don't, because it is generally better to play it safe, but you're just plain wrong to say that they can't. What's even stranger to me is that you bring that up while you directly state Justin wasn't an employee to begin with.

Any lawyer worth his salt can tell you that defamation is by and large immensely unfavorable to a plaintiff. There are so many potential ways that the people at Channel Awesome could have made a statement regarding Jew Wario's behavior at conventions in a way that wouldn't be actionable or easily defended with a good faith exception. Unless Mike literally put in the statement that Jew Wario was a confirmed pedo-rapist, you'd have a hell of a time winning a defamation suit.

Here, I'll even give you a quick example of how easy this would be:

"Channel Awesome regretfully has decided to cut ties with Justin "Jew Wario" Carmical after complaints about his actions at various conventions. We have been given reason to believe that Justin conducted himself improperly with his fan-base and engaged in behaviors that we at Channel Awesome cannot condone or defend."

Defamation is built on the idea that you're tarnishing someone's reputation by making an untrue statement. If you don't have an untrue statement, you don't have defamation. If it's true they received complaints about improper conduct, and that's where they terminated him, there's no room for a suit.

My bet, however, is that Michaud has a lawyer that plays Call of Duty all day and can't be asked to draft up a three sentence statement detailing their reasons for terminating Justin in a legally unambiguous manner and would prefer to just quietly let the whole thing go because it means less work.

It’s a risk/reward situation. There is no upside to the now ex employer. Especially in something like this where they are not a party to the dispute. Could they do it and win if challenged in court? In most cases probably. But not absolutely. So as a hard and fast rule they won’t get involved. This is standard HR practice that is taught in schools these days. This is the complete industry standard. Unless you have clear first hand knowledge of criminality you say nothing beyond dates of employment. If you do have criminality you bring it to authorities or encourage the complainant to do so. Anything else drags you into a problem and situation that does not involve you or your company, and creates legal exposure that you don’t need.

These types of things are always a loss for companies. Unless you are a media publisher you don’t generally carry liability insurance to cover libel/slander/defamation/speech issues. If the ex employee even files suit you have already lost as all of that is out of pocket expenses, regardless of outcome. You will at best settle it because it’s cheaper than going to court and winning. The only winning move is not to play. Don’t get involved, make no public statements. It sucks. It’s what allows stuff like the Hollywood Sex Pests. But as I said it is the world we made by abandoning common sense in favor of individual outrage.
 
That leaves us with Lupa. As the undeniable spearhead of ex-contributors involved in #ChangeTheChannel, where does she stand in regards to this whole bombshell of information that's cropped up today?
She probably really wanted to have a "someone at Channel Awesome was an abuser" section with a few hints to his identity in the document to generate more buzz via speculation, but I can't imagine she wanted his identity to be confirmed. Mike really fucked her over by indirectly confirming it was Jew Wario and turning this into a completely different kind of shit show than they intended.
 
That leaves us with Allison/Lupa. As the undeniable spearhead of this massive campaign of ex-contributors against an autistic Internet site, where does she stand in regards to this whole bombshell of information that just keeps on delivering?
I want to say she's in the same boat as Kaylyn, but at the same time, who knows?
 
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Dan talking about this in the Something Awful Internet Critic thread. tldr: They knew for about two weeks and were expecting the victims to want to let sleeping dogs lie, now Dan's getting pissy that a lot of people are gonna pry into the producer's lives to see if any of them knew about Justin before this.

"We knew this information would get out eventually"

Oh really Dan? Who knew? And for how long? You wouldn't have been sitting on this for years and years would you? Just letting people groom the underaged and do nothing? That would imply your are as morally bankrupt as them.

I wonder what interesting tidbits you and your friends are sitting on about you? Since you left CA because "Gamergate was driving all women from the internet" and yet you seem to be fine with pedophiles. Well.... as long as their "your" pedophiles, right?

How do you rationalize that sort of bullshit to yourself I wonder.
 
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You will at best settle it because it’s cheaper than going to court and winning. The only winning move is not to play. Don’t get involved, make no public statements. It sucks. It’s what allows stuff like the Hollywood Sex Pests. But as I said it is the world we made by abandoning common sense in favor of individual outrage.

I think we should agree to disagree on this topic. My perspective is in this specific instance the management at Channel Awesome had very little to fear from the recently unemployed, mostly destitute Jew Wario. Not only do I think he couldn't afford to bring suit in the first place, even if he won, he wouldn't recoup his expenditures. Even if it is a tried-and-true rule that most corporations follow these policies, Channel Awesome is a unique entity in that it frequently deals with the public and is (in my opinion) under moral and ethical obligations to disclose knowledge of impropriety of their representatives.

I want to say she's in the same boat as Kaylyn, but at the same time, who knows?

I'd have a hard time believing Lupa didn't know considering how close she is with Holly. Perhaps not the specific incident that was reported, but generally girls look out for each other and warn their friends if they think a man in their circle is dangerous or creepy.
 
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