Artcow Michael John Kricfalusi / John Kricfalusi / John K. / John K. Stuff / Raymond Spum - scammer animator who pissed away his own career, salty blogger, CONFIRMED predator and child rapist

[Dark Emporer Dood]

There...are video game fans like that?

Johns an extreme example but not the originator. It's just human nature that people resist change somewhat or become nostalgic for older times.

A handful, mostly PC elitists. I wanted to use the car community but I've bought them up enough as it is.

I'm not saying that JohnK started elitism itself, no way, but I do think that he helped to spread it about amongst the animation community. Then again if animation-focused youtubers are anything to go buy, even without Johnny they'd still find something to hate.

 

[whatever I feel like]

There's a strong Retro community out there and generally little sub-sections that think gaming peaked in the 8/16/32 bit eras

I don't think I've met a single person who thinks gaming peaked at 32/64 bits. Maybe 2D gaming like Neo Geo/Saturn shooters, but for polygonal stuff everyone can admit that it sucked compared to the generation that came after it or at best had a few gems that were equal to the later stuff. Yeah, yeah... off topic.

I suppose I can say one thing though, for someone who idolized Clampett, John K.'s works never turned out like Bob's did. I really think he missed the god-damn point entirely. Beanie and Cecil is a good example, the show was by all means high brow for children's content, even by today's standards, while what little I've seen of the John K. version was tripe.

 

[Commander X]

Clampett also had a reputation for malicious pranks - he would pee in your beer if you left it unattended.

Chuck Jones hated the guy so much that when he made the Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Movie, when Bugs lists his "many fathers" he mentions Avery, Freleng, McKimson, even Tedd Pierce, Warren Foster and Mike Maltese - but he doesn't mention Clampett, and Jones purposely left him out.

(It was also in reaction to Clampett making a documentary about Bugs Bunny that gave the impression he was the major force in his creation.)

But suffice it to say, the man was NEVER as bad as John ever was.

Certainly, I have Been seeing a lot of comparisons of John Kricfalusi to Bob Clampett in wake of the scandals. Which is just too much. Clampett was a credit hog and had continued and exacerbated the schoolboy rivalry with his ex-collaborator/friend Jones. His contributions to the art of animation still stand though, even if one of his worshipers turned out to be a creep.

Clampett took credit where he shouldn’t and Chuck Jones’ hatred went from understandable to toxic. None of those WB guys got what they were due for the culture they created. which led to a lot of frustration. As Friz Freling once said, paraphrasing, Clampett and Jones had "been fighting like kids since they WERE kids."

The Clampett family, though, they all hated John K.'s stuff, and came to hate him for what he did to Beany & Cecil as well, if that is any consolation.

 

[Dark Emporer Dood]

None of those WB guys got what they were due for the culture they created. which led to a lot of frustration.

The Clampett family, though, they all hated John K.'s stuff, and came to hate him for what he did to Beany & Cecil as well, if that is any consolation.

I know that Mel Blanc (one of the primary players in making WB what it was back then) had to take a pay cut to actually get credit for the diversity of voices he provided, and after a few other gigs he wasnt allowed to work for in non-WB cartoons by contract. Tis a bit different than today where almost everyone gets proper credit.

That had to have been painful for the Clampett family (That makes two of Johns heroes that hes dissapointed), got a link to where I can read about that?

 

[Trilby]

I suppose I can say one thing though, for someone who idolized Clampett, John K.'s works never turned out like Bob's did. I really think he missed the god-damn point entirely. Beanie and Cecil is a good example, the show was by all means high brow for children's content, even by today's standards, while what little I've seen of the John K. version was tripe.

When the first Beany & Cecil DVD volume came out around the early 2000's, it had a good selection of what made that cartoon worked the writing just nailed it. You can't look at The Wild Man of Wildsville and say it's not good.

Certainly, I have Been seeing a lot of comparisons of John Kricfalusi to Bob Clampett in wake of the scandals. Which is just too much. Clampett was a credit hog and had continued and exacerbated the schoolboy rivalry with his ex-collaborator/friend Jones. His contributions to the art of animation still stand though, even if one of his worshipers turned out to be a creep.

Clampett took credit where he shouldn’t and Chuck Jones’ hatred went from understandable to toxic. None of those WB guys got what they were due for the culture they created. which led to a lot of frustration. As Friz Freling once said, paraphrasing, Clampett and Jones had "been fighting like kids since they WERE kids."

It was a different time then, each of them were pioneers in their own right at least, though to take credit for having started it certainly wasn't a one man thing.

The Clampett family, though, they all hated John K.'s stuff, and came to hate him for what he did to Beany & Cecil as well, if that is any consolation.

Only lasted like a few episodes before ABC canned the show.

I know that Mel Blanc (one of the primary players in making WB what it was back then) had to take a pay cut to actually get credit for the diversity of voices he provided, and after a few other gigs he wasnt allowed to work for in non-WB cartoons by contract. Tis a bit different than today where almost everyone gets proper credit.

It didn't help in the Leon Schlesinger era where animator's credits were rotated as well, so someone could get credited on a cartoon he may not have worked on much at all. Credits for those staffers outside of the main key staff simply wasn't a thing for a long time (assistants, inbetweeners, checkers, etc.) Getting voice actor credits for someone outside Mel Blanc didn't start to be a thing until the TV era hit and the theatrical shorts died out.

 

[Adamska]

See, I never saw Beany and Cecil, and that one Clampett cartoon clearly shows wit, restraint, talent in art and writing, and so on. I genuinely enjoyed that video @Trilby given it's what Kidmolestme wishes he could do. Clampett's a piece of shit, but he knew how to work and make a good product and keep working from there.

John's just a piece of shit who tried mimicking it and failing.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

See, I never saw Beany and Cecil, and that one Clampett cartoon clearly shows wit, restraint, talent in art and writing, and so on. I genuinely enjoyed that video @Trilby given it's what Kidmolestme wishes he could do. Clampett's a piece of shit, but he knew how to work and make a good product and keep working from there.

John's just a piece of shit who tried mimicking it and failing.

He was in charge of the reboot in the 80s, as I said. How things went then can easily be described by mentioning that John had the artists redraw old Beany and Cecil comics instead of doing any work.

 

[8777BB5]

He was in charge of the reboot in the 80s, as I said. How things went then can easily be described by mentioning that John had the artists redraw old Beany and Cecil comics instead of doing any work.

From what I've heard (and I might be wrong on this) The only show John did any good on in the 80s was the Jetson reboot. Benny and Cecil was a fiasco and on Mighty Mouse John made a habit of pushing Ralph Bakshi's buttons to the point that Ralph would fire him in an effort to teach him a lesson but each time John was rehired he would go right back to his nonsense

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

From what I've heard (and I might be wrong on this) The only show John did any good on in the 80s was the Jetson reboot. Benny and Cecil was a fiasco and on Mighty Mouse John made a habit of pushing Ralph Bakshi's buttons to the point that Ralph would fire him in an effort to teach him a lesson but each time John was rehired he would go right back to his nonsense

Didn’t he also work on Fat Albert as well?

 

[Trilby]

Didn’t he also work on Fat Albert as well?

Probably, he was at Filmation at the time (checking IMDB, he was a storyboard artist on episodes in 1979, when they introduced The Brown Hornet).

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

There...are video game fans like that?

fftopic:

There are, and I’m surprised we don’t have a community watch thread for them. Tim Rogers is the ur-example. They tend to get ran off the collector/retro sites and hang out in fringe forums or irc though rather than ramming into people on social media so it’s kind of hard to collect content on them. A lot of them have mindsets analogous to John in terms of what they consider acceptible and love to spout the same sort of authoritative stuff that he does on his blog, except it’s usually about NES games. One particularly notorious guy whose name I can’t recall was so far up his own ass he started a forum with an admission fee and an entrance exam just so he could have a hugbox to spout about how the NES was perfect and everything else was shit. (If anyone knows his name lemme know, he was a major cow)

I don't think I've met a single person who thinks gaming peaked at 32/64 bits.

I’d argue the jrpg/survival horror genres did. Just enough power and storage to make massive, functional games but not enough for any sort of serious graphical innovation lead to a ton of good games being released at a breakneck pace since the devs could just recycle most of the engine between titles.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

See, I never saw Beany and Cecil, and that one Clampett cartoon clearly shows wit, restraint, talent in art and writing, and so on. I genuinely enjoyed that video @Trilby given it's what Kidmolestme wishes he could do. Clampett's a piece of shit, but he knew how to work and make a good product and keep working from there.

John's just a piece of shit who tried mimicking it and failing.

I don't think it helps that he tried making it at DiC. Though I have no doubts that if it were Spumco, it'd just turn out far worse than what it ended up being.

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

I don't think it helps that he tried making it at DiC. Though I have no doubts that if it were Spumco, it'd just turn out far worse than what it ended up being.

Beany and Cecil would have been serial rapists.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Beany and Cecil would have been serial rapists.

And have a "Maybe they're gay, maybe they're not" relationship.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I don't think it helps that he tried making it at DiC. Though I have no doubts that if it were Spumco, it'd just turn out far worse than what it ended up being.

It didn't help. They wanted to do things like layout, which wasn't done at DIC, though it didn't help equally as much that John K. was at the helm.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

It didn't help. They wanted to do things like layout, which wasn't done at DIC, though it didn't help equally as much that John K. was at the helm.

Though if we're being fair to John, he did work with the studio they farmed the animation to (Cuckoo's Nest/Wang Film Production) before on Jetsons and Mighty Mouse.

But I get the feeling it wasn't something like with Jetsons where John flew to Taiwan to oversee the animators.

 

[Dark Emporer Dood]

Though if we're being fair to John, he did work with the studio they farmed the animation to (Cuckoo's Nest/Wang Film Production) before on Jetsons and Mighty Mouse.

But I get the feeling it wasn't something like with Jetsons where John flew to Taiwan to oversee the animators.

Johns overseas work involved him running various The Three Stooges shows for the studios, as they were working I can only guess.

Though I have no doubts that if it were Spumco, it'd just turn out far worse than what it ended up being.

Knowing John, Uncle Captain and Beany would have a very...different relationship, Uncle being a muscular often half-naked Ralph Bakshi, meanwhile Dishonest John would be a pedo.

I’d argue the jrpg/survival horror genres did. Just enough power and storage to make massive, functional games but not enough for any sort of serious graphical innovation lead to a ton of good games being released at a breakneck pace since the devs could just recycle most of the engine between titles.

Sounds like modern Steam greenlight!

 

[Trilby]

Though if we're being fair to John, he did work with the studio they farmed the animation to (Cuckoo's Nest/Wang Film Production) before on Jetsons and Mighty Mouse.

But I get the feeling it wasn't something like with Jetsons where John flew to Taiwan to oversee the animators.

Wonder if DIC even had a budget for that?

Johns overseas work involved him running various The Three Stooges shows for the studios, as they were working I can only guess.

So, not really that hands-on.

Knowing John, Uncle Captain and Beany would have a very...different relationship, Uncle being a muscular often half-naked Ralph Bakshi, meanwhile Dishonest John would be a pedo.

Thank goodness Bob didn't live to see this.

Sounds like modern Steam greenlight!

Thank goodness that was killed off (I think).

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Wonder if DIC even had a budget for that?

Probably not, given how the quality of their works were turning into utter garbage at that point.

 

[rburch91]

It's just occurred to me that the email John sent Thad Komorowski when he was writing Sick Little Monkeys was probably directed at himself.