TGWTG "Nostalgia Critic" / Doug Walker, Rob Walker, Mike Michaud, Mike Ellis, Holly Christine Brown, et al - The Incompetent Predator-Protecting Upper Management of Channel Awesome, Doug Still Not That Funny

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Does he honestly think he's the one person on earth to notice that starship troopers is a critique on fascism and a parody of propaganda???

Probably not, but his audience consists almost entirely of literal spergs who most certainly wouldn't. So he's explaining it to them.

 

[Purple Man]

I keep hearing about some of these chucklefucks being interviewed for pieces about this whole mess. Considering who's being asked, one of them is bound to fuck up and say something that get people (i.e. us) talking.

Depends on who's doing the interview. Salon did one and it was lackluster to say the least. And I doubt they'd be willing to answer more competent questions.
They mostly want to build their own fame (and gain more patreon bux) on the Change the Channel movement, and not answer the most important questions, that were the result of CA's incompetent handling of the whole situation.

 

[Doctor Stan]

Probably not, but his audience consists almost entirely of literal spergs who most certainly wouldn't. So he's explaining it to them.

Actually I knew a guy back in the day who didn't realize it was a parody propaganda movie, and just took it as a kick ass movie. Some people are this dense and it scares me a tad bit. I think he also enjoyed the dune prequel novels, despite how terrible they are.

I know. That's why I asked if there's any reviews where he does NOT do that.

None that I can think of, even the older stuff I enjoyed. Like watching his the room video, he's giving the highlights of the movie without any real criticism for most of it.

 

[Dr. Kaufman]

None that I can think of, even the older stuff I enjoyed. Like watching his the room video, he's giving the highlights of the movie without any real criticism for most of it.

Honestly, I actually appreciated some of his editorials because he offered more of a commentary as opposed to badly riffing on a movie.

 

[El Santo]

Honestly, I actually appreciated some of his editorials because he offered more of a commentary as opposed to badly riffing on a movie.

It is actually sort if scary how his editorials are actually sound and, in a way, even informative, he can be more entertqining without skita or fake tard rage.

It's like, for those editorials, he suddenly knew how to critically think...

 

[Kamen Rider Black RX]

RLM actually talked about it over a year ago

IIRC this wasn't even Starship Troopers to begin with, Verhoeven was making a completely unrelated movie that involved killing bugs, and the studio was like "Yo dawg, slap Starship Troopers on this bitch" and I've heard over the years from a couple people that read the book how much of an awful travesty the movie is when compared to the book

I read the book twice last summer. It's a pretty good read.

As for the book vs. the movie, it's kinda a matter of perspective. The book sets up this future utopia and plays it out in a positive light. As they put it people may be publicly whipped and voting is limited, but the system works and it's the best they have. Doesn't matter it was established by a bunch of military vets who staged a coup. Rico goes from being a fluff-headed civilian to a commanding figure, even going to school for it. But there's also stuff in it that can give you pause, like comparing raising a kid to raising a puppy and how it tends to depict non-citizens as naive idiots. And it's unarguably pro-war in the "wipe out the enemy. Don't feel for them" sort of way. You could even argue the book's views on violence support terrorism.

The movie is Verhoeven's thoughts on such a system. It highlights that it's creating a hierarchy that will self-perpetuate. In addition, rather than Rico becoming a commander being seen as a positive thing, it's shown more negatively as he leads the next generation (literally child soldiers) and there's an unsaid parallel between him and the bugs. You have the mindless soldier bugs being controlled by a brain bug, Rico was not smart in school and his saving of Carmen is reliant on Carl sending him directions telepathically without Rico realizing it. It takes the system, illustrates problems with it, but does so in a manner that it's members don't question it. They just accept it without thinking because that's how they were brought up and how it self-perpetuates. In short, the movie comes across as a hate letter to the original book.

I like both though.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I read the book twice last summer. It's a pretty good read.

As for the book vs. the movie, it's kinda a matter of perspective. The book sets up this future utopia and plays it out in a positive light. As they put it people may be publicly whipped and voting is limited, but the system works and it's the best they have. Doesn't matter it was established by a bunch of military vets who staged a coup. Rico goes from being a fluff-headed civilian to a commanding figure, even going to school for it. But there's also stuff in it that can give you pause, like comparing raising a kid to raising a puppy and how it tends to depict non-citizens as naive idiots. And it's unarguably pro-war in the "wipe out the enemy. Don't feel for them" sort of way. You could even argue the book's views on violence support terrorism.

The movie is Verhoeven's thoughts on such a system. It highlights that it's creating a hierarchy that will self-perpetuate. In addition, rather than Rico becoming a commander being seen as a positive thing, it's shown more negatively as he leads the next generation (literally child soldiers) and there's an unsaid parallel between him and the bugs. You have the mindless soldier bugs being controlled by a brain bug, Rico was not smart in school and his saving of Carmen is reliant on Carl sending him directions telepathically without Rico realizing it. It takes the system, illustrates problems with it, but does so in a manner that it's members don't question it. They just accept it without thinking because that's how they were brought up and how it self-perpetuates. In short, the movie comes across as a hate letter to the original book.

I like both though.

I remember reading that Verhoeven tried to read the book but found it boring and gave up.

As I kid I watched the movie just for the action and tit shots. As an adult I get the metaphors but I don't find it engaging because of the casting. But at the same time, I understand why Verhoeven went with that cast as it was part of his subversion of the source material.

Still, I wouldn't say it's top tier Verhoeven. Robocop, Total Recall, Flesh and Blood, and even Hollow Man I think is better. I still need to see Black Book and Soldier of Orange.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

When you're too lazy to remove a column.

No, he really is delusional enough to think new reviewers will join.

 

[korya]

No, he really is delusional enough to think new reviewers will join.

I suspect it's more like he can't figure out how to take out the column without breaking it. It is a bought layout, not one they built themselves.

 

[tehpope]

Probably means nothing, but Brad didn't make a Snob episode this week. He's been releasing older episodes to his channel.

 

[CWCissey]

Yeah it just seems like something happened to the video that can't be helped. I'll give Brad the BOTD.

 

[RJ MacReady]

Probably means nothing, but Brad didn't make a Snob episode this week. He's been releasing older episodes to his channel.

Assuming this isn't for something else, Malcolm and Tamara also seem to be working on their response video after all:

All of them have been getting more pissy, defensive and passive-aggressive on Twitter.

 

[friedshrimp]

Strider gives his thoughts on the ChangetheChannel stuff.

 

[CausticMinory]

So is the new Tamara thing
"Tamara's never seen, The abuse and problems at CA." With Malcolm Ray. If that is legit the thing they are doing, my sides will be gone


Edit:If that is indeed the case, please quote this for the sake of context.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Assuming this isn't for something else, Malcolm and Tamara also seem to be working on their response video after all:

All of them have been getting more pissy, defensive and passive-aggressive on Twitter.

Yeah they're starting to lose sympathy from me. I felt bad for them being put in a shit position over problems from years before they were hired before, but holy shit have they blown through that by now. I'm sick of watching them mope, be proud of your website and shut the fuck up, or leave.

 

[HickoryDickory]

Probably means nothing, but Brad didn't make a Snob episode this week. He's been releasing older episodes to his channel.

He reuploads older eps from time to time. I think it was from when his channel was deleted. (If you scroll back on his channel most of the beginning is just screenings)

On the reupload channels many comment about the missing older episodes.

 

[CausticMinory]

Tamara on Instagram is posting happy sunshine "I love my job, despite some things" or "My job rocks cause of these guys" but on twitter it's "Aww man I'm Soo sad at my job. I just wanna work guys " it's like night and day.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Assuming this isn't for something else, Malcolm and Tamara also seem to be working on their response video after all:

All of them have been getting more pissy, defensive and passive-aggressive on Twitter.

Can't wait to crack open this fresh septic tank of diarrhea.

Let's pour it on the oscillating fan, see where it sprays.

 

[RJ MacReady]

Can't wait to crack open this fresh septic tank of diarrhea.

Let's pour it on the oscillating fan, see where it sprays.

Oh yeah. Thinking that response video is still a good idea (when they've had weeks to study public opinion and realise it wouldn't help) is beyond naive - it's delusional and also vindictive because it's pretty obvious they're angry. On top of that, everyone fucking knows they're being manipulated for PR so it's not as if their opinion matters.

There comes a point where you have to act in your own interests and not go out of your way to stand by the sinking ship. Brad has the right idea by keeping his distance.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

Oh yeah. Thinking that response video is still a good idea (when they've had weeks to study public opinion and realise it wouldn't help) is beyond naive - it's delusional and also vindictive because it's pretty obvious they're angry. On top of that, everyone fucking knows they're being manipulated for PR so it's not as if their opinion matters.

There comes a point where you have to act in your own interests and not go out of your way to stand by the sinking ship. Brad has the right idea by keeping his distance.

Especially when they accidentally reveal that some of the IndieGoGo money went towards hushing people up about Angry Joe's dog fighting ring.