ContraPoints / William Nicholas Parrott / Natalie Wynn Parrott / Nykytyne2 - GamerGhazi Cannibalism Victim, Youtube "Intellectual"

[Puddleduck]

I mean off the top of my head I could point to the fact due to efficiency in technology human labor becomes irrelevant, some research suggesting something such as acting could be replaced by it in the future.

People have been saying that since the days of the Ravelling Nancy. They were wrong then, they will continue to be wrong.

 

[linchan]

People have been saying that since the days of the Ravelling Nancy. They were wrong then, they will continue to be wrong.

It's not something I will defend either, but I'm saying that I could cook up an argument off of my head that is better than what she had presented in the video, and could legitimately persuade someone to her position. That was one of the points that was made in the documentary, "Inequality for All", and while I can't say I agree with everything it said, I could show this to someone and it would do a better job than whatever Contrapoints presented in her video.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

I don't understand the logical reasoning that capitalism creates "Neo-Nazi"s she suggested in the first video

I've heard the argument that capitalism leads to Nazism from a lot of these people, and I think it most likely stems from Marx's theory of worker alienation. The theory goes that under capitalism, workers are pitted against each other by expecting to compete for labor, and thus they are psychologically conditioned to view other groups of people as a potential threat to their well-being (the old "the immigrants took our jerbs!" meme).

While I think there is some truth to this, the idea that there is a direct line from capitalism to Nazism is a ludicrous oversimplification of the problem, and most of these left-wing lolcows don't present a viable solution to it.

 

[PLB]

Immigration does depress wages but thats not an issue with capitalism its an issue with every system that has non uniformity across the entirety of the world/ humanity. Even if the glorious communist revolution happened and we had a one world government where everyone was payed the same then everyone would be on the equivalent of about $18,000 a year which is half of the average in the US or UK it would still massively depress wages in those areas so you havent really sorted out the problem but whatever moving on. In this utopia people are still going to want to move from some of the 2nd/3rd world places to the 1st world because of better infrastructure less dangers ect, so the government because you cant just have everyone living in europe/america would have to: have population control(i.e. genocide), ban immigration or they disincentivise immigration to these areas by reducing the equivalent worth people get who live in those areas. Non of those solutions are good or really solve the issue of 'immigration creating nazis'. You dont need competition to make immigration bad for native populations even on a purely economic standpoint.

 

[Bungleboy]

I've heard the argument that capitalism leads to Nazism from a lot of these people, and I think it most likely stems from Marx's theory of worker alienation. The theory goes that under capitalism, workers are pitted against each other by expecting to compete for labor, and thus they are psychologically conditioned to view other groups of people as a potential threat to their well-being (the old "the immigrants took our jerbs!" meme).

While I think there is some truth to this, the idea that there is a direct line from capitalism to Nazism is a ludicrous oversimplification of the problem, and most of these left-wing lolcows don't present a viable solution to it.

They have a solution, it's just to make it illegal to voice any opinion they consider bigoted, further alienating these people.

 

[Grand Lunar]

Just uploaded Jordan Peterson vid

 

[VoreDoggy]

Just uploaded Jordan Peterson vid

I'll probably have thoughts on this, but my preconceptions are that Peterson is basically a psychologist attempting to counsel everyone, and Contra hates psychologists. They'll probably spend way too long on the transphobia angle(even though Peterson's argument was that misgendering shouldn't be illegal), and completely ignore the Maps of Meaning arc.

Edit to avoid double posting: half-way through and Contra doesn't get that Memerson sees Marxism as being about equality of outcome(which is impossible). He's more about equality of opportunity(IE: Rawls).

And they miss his point with hierarchies. Gender hierarchies are defensible(Danmore memo).

In conclusion, it's clear they haven't read Maps of Meaning or any Jung. If they're here(which of course they are), I'd love it if they read the Catholic Catechism for a description of her real enemies, rational people who aren't to some extent liberal.

 

[Aloha Snackbar]

I've heard the argument that capitalism leads to Nazism from a lot of these people, and I think it most likely stems from Marx's theory of worker alienation. The theory goes that under capitalism, workers are pitted against each other by expecting to compete for labor, and thus they are psychologically conditioned to view other groups of people as a potential threat to their well-being (the old "the immigrants took our jerbs!" meme).

While I think there is some truth to this, the idea that there is a direct line from capitalism to Nazism is a ludicrous oversimplification of the problem, and most of these left-wing lolcows don't present a viable solution to it.

Personally I think dissatisfaction leads to fascism, and socialism, and libertarianism, and every other political shift. Humans are constantly unsatisfied because things could always be better, so turning toward a radical departure from your current system in order to solve everything makes sense to a lot of people. Your life sucks under capitalism? Try communism. Your life sucks under communism? Try fascism. Your life sucks under fascism? Become a libertarian. And the cycle repeats itself with whatever radical departure from the status quo becomes popular.

I'm not saying that all ideologies are equal and that they'll all create equally bad societies though, just that no matter what the status quo seems shitty and people will cling to an ideology that seems different.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Personally I think dissatisfaction leads to fascism, and socialism, and libertarianism, and every other political shift. Humans are constantly unsatisfied because things could always be better, so turning toward a radical departure from your current system in order to solve everything makes sense to a lot of people. Your life sucks under capitalism? Try communism. Your life sucks under communism? Try fascism. Your life sucks under fascism? Become a libertarian. And the cycle repeats itself with whatever radical departure from the status quo becomes popular.

I'm not saying that all ideologies are equal and that they'll all create equally bad societies though, just that no matter what the status quo seems shitty and people will cling to an ideology that seems different.

People looking for alternatives to an existing system in times of dissatisfaction is certainly a real phenomenon, but it's also relatively trivial to point it out. To understand why people turn to a specific system over countless others requires more analysis, and it's hard for some people to provide this without preventing their own political prejudices from getting in the way.

Case in point: when a Marxist proclaims that fascism is an inevitable result of capitalism, they're not really providing much in the way of insight, they're mostly just coming up with a way to paint an opposing viewpoint in an overly uncharitable light in the hope that it will bolster their own. It almost never does.

 

[Carnival of Souls]

Just uploaded Jordan Peterson vid

Holy shit, what's up with his voice? Is that what hormones do to you or did he adapt this by training? This is neither a female nor a male voice. Sounds more like a chipmunk. I'll never comprehend how people suffering from gender dysphoria can deliberately ruin their healthy bodies like that. It's beyond me, if I had a gender identity crisis, it'd probably suck, but I would still try to embrace the body nature has given me. What stops me from just becoming gay?

There is a difference between "Cultural Bolshevism" and "Cultural Marxism" by the way. Both "theories" are whacky as shit, but the first one specifically refers to the supposed "Jewish" character of the Bolshevik party, whereas "Cultural Marxism" is a lot less antisemitic as it focuses on the Frankfurt School and some other intellectuals who aim to bring out progressivism by dismantling the cultural, superstructural oppression of marginalized groups (which is still a bit of a stretch considering people like Adorno were social conservatives), and this did exist as a tendency during the student's movements in the 60s - they thought that capitalism inherently perpetuates sexism, racism and homophobia, and when sexism, racism and homophobia ceases to exist, there is no way these formerly marginalized groups could structurally support capitalism. They were horribly wrong though. As labor becomes less manual, the division of labor between men and women ceases to exist, and it turns out that women, blacks and gays can be just as brutal capitalists than straight white men, and now we get LGBTQ+ marches sponsered by Coca-Cola. Marx called this the commodification, capitalism's ability to sell literally everything to people, this includes Che shirts and social justice. Contrapoints obviously has a knee-jerk reaction to the term "Cultural Marxism", which is truly an oxymoron in a way, but instead of pointing this out he just says it's Nazi shit. Not a very rational argument.

Contrapoints has dropped out of university, and as I watch his more philosophical videos, I more and more think that his video about why she dropped out of uni was just phony damage control. He doesn't really know what he's talking about, in her first capitalism video, she equalized alienation with "shitty jobs". Are you serious? Marx is rolling in his grave. It seems that he just tries to make his videos as film school drop-out-esque as possible, his philosphical references just include saying names and his thoughts are everything but coherent. I'm not saying he's dumb or anything, he's a clever guy, but in terms of his own aspirations, he's a bit suffering from Dunning-Kruger-Syndrome. Of course that's why he's going for the lowest hanging fruit like Jordan Peterson who is an idiot as well everytime he tries to talk about stuff that's not related to psychology.

Uff. I've been listening to the video in the background as I'm writing this, and of course he's quoting Judith Butler.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

People have been saying that since the days of the Ravelling Nancy. They were wrong then, they will continue to be wrong.

the main limiting factor is the fact that if a machine is more complex, greater skill is needed to install, maintain, modify or decomission it; and as automation becomes more sophisticated and extensive, the demand for skilled machine fitters increases, both in terms of quantity and skill level, and when the demand for fitters' labour exceeds the amount available, the automated infrastructure can no longer be supported, because there are simply not enough people in society who have the skill or the inclination to become advanced machine fitters

 

[Aloha Snackbar]

People looking for alternatives to an existing system in times of dissatisfaction is certainly a real phenomenon, but it's also relatively trivial to point it out. To understand why people turn to a specific system over countless others requires more analysis, and it's hard for some people to provide this without preventing their own political prejudices from getting in the way.

Case in point: when a Marxist proclaims that fascism is an inevitable result of capitalism, they're not really providing much in the way of insight, they're mostly just coming up with a way to paint an opposing viewpoint in an overly uncharitable light in the hope that it will bolster their own. It almost never does.

I think the reasons are certainly complicated, but I think it often comes down to a lot of things like how likeable and charismatic the people representing each side are rather than specifically an issue of how the system actually works compared to the next one. It's a trivial statement, but I'm mostly pointing it out in relation to how the line of "capitalism leads to fascism" could easily be applied to communism. Everything is going to lead to something else, and I'm sure under a communist society we'd quickly see some sort of radical authoritarian alternative start to pop up as an answer, and then their argument would be "communism leads to [insert ideology here]".

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Omg his voice sounds fucking horrible

 

[Cryin RN]

He sounds like a dude with laryngitis.

These "intellectual" troons dropping out of higher ed is my favourite meme. Contra's exactly like Zinnia, just with slightly more effort in.

 

[saltnpepe]

He sounds like a dude with laryngitis.

These "intellectual" troons dropping out of higher ed is my favourite meme. Contra's exactly like Zinnia, just with slightly more effort in.

I'd argue that Zinnia wins. He didn't spend a dime or a single year in college and yet in the end his drivel makes about as much sense as Hontra's.

 

[scathefire]

Just uploaded Jordan Peterson vid

If it's true that they're not against the idea of hierarchies in general, then... what hierarchies do they support? What are they? I don't think he actually named any.
And besides, claiming that everyone who's been involved in leftist social circles "knows" that Marxists and SJWs are constantly at odds with each other smells oddly like horseshit. Maybe that's the case with "neckbeard Marxists", but neckbeards are probably excluded regardless. Marxism is very casually ingrained into their social sphere, I would say.
Plus, post-modernism is so broad that I'm not sure that he can claim that SJW culture is specifically not post-modernist.

 

[PLB]

claiming that everyone who's been involved in leftist social circles "knows" that Marxists and SJWs are constantly at odds with each other

I'm pretty sure hes specifically talking about tankies and nobody gets on with tankies because they are generally insufferable to anyone who is not as incredibly marxist as them. Marxism underpins the social justice philosophy just because they arent pushing for violent worldwide revolution doesnt mean they arent marxists, it would be like a neonazi saying that arent one because they havent opened up any death camps its missing the point.

 

[CatParty]

https://i-d.vice.com/en_us/article/...rans-youtube-star-is-destroying-the-alt-right


YouTube is no longer just an alt-right cesspool. Two years ago, ContraPoints released her first video, "Feminism Did Not Destroy Atheism," and has since built a name for her channel as a haven for nuanced, truthful assessments of ideologies that have grown to immense popularity in internet circles. She does all of this with dark humor and personality — like, actual personality — that allows her to be whimsically self-deprecating. She invites her viewers to have fun, celebrating “degeneracy” through their journey to seek and disseminate the truth.


This not only means truth in debate, but truth to self. Contra’s open and honest chronicling of her male-to-female transition has added even more layers of connection with her audience. Her February video on autogynephilia (which is a bigoted pseudoscientific theory on transsexual women) includes a very personal dialogue about the nature of Contra’s transition, her sexuality, and her journey of self-understanding, which works to combat the transphobic theory. She is not afraid to share her story and to celebrate her identity, even when she struggles with her own confidence. Here, she talks to i-D about her journey, her thought processes, and her emphasis on diversity and inclusion.

A lot of your viewers have not only drawn their attention towards the content you’re creating, but are interested in you as a human being. What is your thought process behind choosing this approach?
Political YouTube is definitely a male- dominated space, where ranters and ravers tend to present their particular “facts-over-feels” vision of the world. When I initially started out two years ago, I thought what I was gonna do was have a sort of fictional character be the narrator of the channel, and this character (this is before transition) would be a “degenerate crossdresser." It was to add a little bit of levity to the political discussion, and it was to add a little bit of ironic distance, which I think was a way of protecting myself because, at the time, there was almost no such thing as “YouTube leftism.” It was just these people who would rant about social justice warriors and snowflakes and how horrible feminism is.

To stand up against it, I knew was going to be inviting a lot of harassment. So I set to protect myself by speaking behind this persona… well, what ended up happening was, a year into this, I realized that I actually was transgender. That was a predicament, because that’s not the sort of thing you can conceal.

How did you expect your audience to react to your transition, and how did they actually respond?
By the time I started to realize that I was trans, I had a significant base of support, so I didn’t have to be quite so defensive. At least I knew some people had my back. So I started “transitioning” away from using the character so much, and doing videos that, where topics of gender were concerned, I would talk about my private life, and that gave the channel a very personal character.

There are a lot of trans people who see themselves in me, or they see in me an example of how their transition could go, or they see me as a representative of them. Which, in some ways, is wonderful. But it’s also very difficult because it is a standard that you can’t possibly live up to. And people have a lot of investment in the details of your private life, and that’s kind of scary.


I think a lot of people who look at a channel like yours think, “Wow, that person must be very comfortable with themselves or very confident.” Is that true in your case?
I think that the confidence is not entirely an illusion. I think that I must have some confidence in me somewhere or otherwise I would not be putting myself out like this in the first place. But I think a lot of the confidence that comes off in my videos is a façade that I construct, because in private, I am quite insecure. I think there’s a reason why I don’t just switch the camera on and speak my mind, and it’s because I don’t feel that I could do that very effectively, but also I think that actually helps me to have a lot of artifice involved in terms of costumes, makeup, lighting, sets. The theatricality of it, in a sense, allows me to continue playing a character. The narrator character is still based on me, but it’s scripted and it’s presented in this very stylized context where I feel that I’m on stronger footing, and that enables me to use more confidence than I might be able to.

Do you think that more diversity and inclusion will be able to exist on the internet without pushback from right-wingers?
I do think it’s possible and I think that the changes that have been made over the last two years on YouTube have been very hopeful. With the internet, I don’t see it becoming a less toxic or unpleasant place for a lot of people any time soon, but I think it’s possible to create these patches of light and spaces that are not so toxic, and I’ve tried to build my channel into one of those places. I can’t stop the Internet from being the way it is — I don’t have any power at all to do that — but I can create something amidst it all that’s different.

 

[Sparky Lurker]

The lack of capital letter on the beggining of the article's title is triggering me heavy.

 

[CatParty]

The lack of capital letter on the beggining of the article's title is triggering me heavy.

complain to vice lol