You know, I don't actually dislike Sargon that much. His stand alone videos on the Thinkery can be... watchable. In general he isn't a total raving lunatic. With that said of course... YOU CAN'T FUCKING DEBATE PEOPLE!!! Seriously. He can't debate and by now should have figured that out. He's not terrible at making videos but he shouldn't be sharing a stage with people picking apart his ideas, no matter how good or bad they are because he can't defend them. It just isn't his suit, let along strong suit. I wish he'd learn...
it's more the churlish way he is acting right now, clearly Spencer got to him but he cant give anyone credit for making him run away. SJWs never did that, but according to his audience the fact the AltRight isnt afraid of him like SJWs means they're "obsessed with him." It's self-flattering nonsense
LOL come on. Just because they have slightly better composure than most SJWs (and even then, they still tend to freak out whenever they're seriously challenged) doesn't mean that they're "high hanging fruit." If you want an example of this on the SJW side, look at Contrapoints. She breaks the stereotype and tries to act rational, but that can't change the fact that her talking points are pseudologic garbage. The same is true for the alt-right, if not moreso.
- They oversimplify it to a ridiculous degree, pretty much claiming that white=higher IQ and black=lower IQ despite both categories being very vaguely defined and being comprised of hundreds of genetically diverse ethnic groups. This is every bit as dumb as the SJW position that average IQ MUST be exactly the same around the globe and that even talking about this is taboo.
- Even under the extremely arbitrary standards for how "white" is defined, "white" people don't even have the highest average IQ, making it utterly useless as a talking point to back up what they want anyway.
Not criticizing you really, your last paragraph is right but the sections I am quoting actually reminded me of a post I meant to do but forgot. The post was "why Sargon is an especially bad debater". I wont go into too much detail but I can spell out a lot of mistakes he made. These are all mistakes I see him make, his opponents often just dont capitalize on them but the audience notices them still.
Anyway...
The reason the altright is successful is they consistently make their enemy underestimate them, and then get embrassed as Sargon did. This is a good example of this. I could attack these talking points right here and these are all things Sargon ran into by the way:
For one, obviously to have any casual conversation oversimplification of complex topics will occur. You have to demonstrate why they shouldn't in particular cases, something people never do so it just gets ignored. Sargon did not in any conversation where he said things were more complicated than they said, like him suggesting "white isnt a real thing."
- Black and white are actually not vaguely defined at all. This is a Sargon talking point that race is too vague, except even weaker since Sargon tries to use actual edge cases like Mediterraneans and Middle Easterners. There is no confusing a black and a white, you could possibly confuse a Greek and a Turk.
But of course the problem is if you say race is too vague... well "culture" is about 100 times more vague, which means someone like Sargon gets hoisted by their own pitard on this logic since culture is far more ephemeral, multi-faceted, and sometimes even contradictory.
And to be honest, race is at least visible while IQ requires a time consuming test. And cultural nationalism like Sargon wants doesnt even have a method of detection. But nobody challenged him on this because they really arent good debaters, everyone else is just worse. This was something Jared Taylor told Sargon in their chat and he had no answer for. Despite calling others ideologues, Sargon has a hard time dealing with people whose position is rested in some kind of practicality.
- The argument they use for white nationalism is not IQ, it's IQ and social cohesion. Plus they see this as the best way to crush Open Borders types since it's the pressing issue of the day (according to them). Moreover the groups with higher average IQs than whites already have their own states (Asian countries and Israel), and arent totally opposed to merit based immigration, they just put a demographic limit on it while now there isn't one and a lot of low-skilled immigration too. Basically, the issues presented arent really pressing issues or insurmountable, at least not to them.
Another "it just works" type argument Sargon never counters, he wants to talk 'base principles' (whatever that means) which I think is just him trying to get away from the issues while still appearing topical. And the audience really caught onto this from what I saw.
I mean, as per Sargon in a chat with layman, the most highminded debate he ever saw on youtube was the AltRight v Kraut. And it was a resounding AltRight victory, for this reason. He underestimated them, and overestimated himself. Sargon let Spencer get under his skin, for this reason.
The mistake I see the AltRight consistently make is they never go on the offensive in debates, they never ask Sargon to explain how he can make identity a null factor (well Allsup did and Sargon ran away). That would be what I exploit, not trying to score gotchas because gotchas dont really matter.
But gotchas are all Sargon can do, almost all his SJW content is chiding them for a supposed contradiction or yelling about how mean they are being. He almost never delves into academic literature on that even beyond reading Bell Hooks once.
