Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I would love to be part of the PR and Marketing team and listen in on them setting their strategy or talking to the corp big shots.
How can they still, after Ghostbustettes, attempt to go for the Bioware-Defense of "Everybody that dislikes our shitty, soulless, pandering creatively bankrupt product is literally Hitler!"?
Did these guys learn nothing? Is this like lolcows sending Null e-mails threatening him with imaginary lawyers, each and everyone thinking to themselves "Surely, he doesn't see this coming. The threat will make him shake in his boots and he'll do as I say! Why has noone ever thought of this before?"
Do these idiots sit in their office, thinking to themselves"Shit, our movie is bombing and people call us out for the shit we pulled... but wait! Let's just call them nazis and bigots! Surely that way we can bully other people into watching our crap! 'Watch our stuff or you're a bigot'... it's genius! Why has noone ever thought of this before?!"

The people complaining are people who collectively have poured billions of dollars into this franchise, while Disney panders to people who most likely live off the bank of mom and dad but they might write angry Twitter rants before blindly consuming your products cause they are weak-willed hipsters. Gee, which group of people is the better investment and should not be fucked with?
Granted, it will take them at least a couple more movies to really piss off the long-term fans who (as RLM so rightfully pointed out) behave more like a cult or political movement and are incredibly immature when it comes to this franchise.

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Gonna be heading off to see it with the boys in a couple of hours. I don't know how full the theater's going to be, but according to my brother, this is a special free screening for the employees and their guests, so chances are high anyone who's going to be in the room didn't have to give this movie a single dime. :story: So I'll comment on the atmosphere when I get home, 'cause part of the theater experience is the reaction of your peers.
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I guess since it'll have a great "value for your money" thing going for it, people will enjoy it.

I just feel kinda sad for the guy who played Solo. Dunno if he's a great actor or not (haven't seen him in a movie yet), but to be casted to try and copy Harrison Ford's acting is pretty hard, I would assume. Acting can be tough, trying to copy someone else's style could very well be impossible to pull off without it looking stupid.

So this guy might as well have ruined his career with this choice.
 
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I just feel kinda sad for the guy who played Solo. Dunno if he's a great actor or not (haven't seen him in a movie yet), but to be casted to try and copy Harrison Ford's acting is pretty hard, I would assume. Acting can be tough, trying to copy someone else's style could very well be impossible to pull off without it looking stupid.

So this guy might as well have ruined his career with this choice.
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He was pretty good in 'Hail Caesar!'
 
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So it turned out that we were the only ones who went to that free showing so lol whatever, my brothers decided to talk over the movie at certain parts while I just sat there in silence trying to pay attention, but failing to give a fuck about what was going on. Like seriously, I just didn't care about what was going on. I honestly only went for Chewbacca, and even then it was like he was just in the background most of the time, like he and Han didn't really have much going on together. Lando was the closest I got to maybe liking a character, but that was it, everyone else was bland, had obvious death flags to bother growing attached to, too busy sucking face, and/or was just annoying as hell. (Though apparently L3's a parody? I didn't watch the video about it.)

The one thing I was thinking of the whole duration was trying to figure out why exactly Solo didn't feel like a Star Wars film (outside of the scene in the nebula with the TIE Fighters). Now granted, I haven't watched Star Wars in quite a long while, I mostly just get glimpses here and there whenever someone else is watching a film. The closest I got was that this, plus the other nu-Star Wars movies, just doesn't have the same sense of scale that I remember from the previous six films. It feels too modern, too cluttered at times, and it doesn't have an atmosphere to it. I'm sure someone can attest to this and can explain it better than I can, but jumping from flashy, chaotic action to the next flashier, more chaotic (maybe better choreographed) action isn't what "scale" means. By "scale" I mean taking everything in that's in-frame, and that's the atmosphere, the environment, the mood.

And this may just be a nitpicky thing, maybe just an isolated thing, but I swear the movie was too damn dark at times, like I couldn't see well what was going on the screen sometimes. It was mostly in the beginning, but there were still occasional moments of too-hard shadows that didn't really fit the mood of the scene and just strained my eyes. I dunno, might've just been me.
 
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Have the sequel lovers given any excuse why they adore and defend the sequel trilogy so much?

Like, not even SJWs like them, finding them racist for turning the minority into buffoons. The original trilogy lovers hate them for desecrating their favorite characters. What do these movies have for the fanboys to defend so much? Are they all just smug Reylo shippers?
 
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Watched an "interesting" video that tries to explain what happened when Holdo rammed Snokes HMS Asspull after going into hyperdrive and I just wanted to share the misery:

So, this dude says what caused the damage wasn't the ship itself (according to the books), but rather its experimental shields whose energey somehow continued to travel through the HMS Asspull... which begs the question: Why did Holdo perform a maneuver that should have had no effect if it weren't for the shields that she had no logical way of knowing what they'd do.

It certainly doesn't help that he goes "it's space magic, I don't have to explain shit" afterwards.

And that's not even addressing the nonsense about the jump coordinates.

The entire reasoning this guy puts forward is "This wasn't a major asspull, it was a poorly written major asspull!"
Well done.

And I really hate people calling this bullshit the "Holdo Maneuver".
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Have the sequel lovers given any excuse why they adore and defend the sequel trilogy so much?
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A lot of people give me the feeling that they "enjoy" the movie out of spite. They assume anyone disliking the movie is part of the "I dun wanna female protagonis Rey sucks! Go back to the kitchen hurr" faction, so they "enjoy" the movie to spite these strawmen.

Then there's Hipsters that just care that it's a big popular brand and flock to it and in terms of brainless entertainment and spectacular visuals, the new movies do deliver, it's just that anything else is crap about them. So the Hipsters are satisfied, but then again, you could dangle keys in front of their face and it would have the same effect.

Dobson is my gold standard for poorly educated opinions and shitty tastes, and he loves to emphasize that this is "the new star wars for a new generation" or some crap like that. So basically, old fans have no right to enjoy these movies, since they are aimed at today's youth and thus appeal to today's tastes (never mind that they are poorly made and this whole attitude is rather condescending towards the 'new generation').
It's literally the "hello fellow kids" meme, as far as I'm concerned and Dobson's behaviour in particular reminds me a lot of this scene from Southpark:
Shit video quality is shit, tho.

Whenever Dobson said anything about the movie, it gave me the impression that he was essentially saying "This is the hip, new, cool thing and old people like you wouldn't understand, pops!" As he talks to a person 5 years younger than himself that just pointed out glaring plotholes and stupid shit going on in the movie.

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Now granted, I haven't watched Star Wars in quite a long while, I mostly just get glimpses here and there whenever someone else is watching a film. The closest I got was that this, plus the other nu-Star Wars movies, just doesn't have the same sense of scale that I remember from the previous six films. It feels too modern, too cluttered at times, and it doesn't have an atmosphere to it.
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Haven't seen Solo yet, but with the Sequel Trilogy and RO, a massive issue is that everything ties back to the originals so much. It makes the world feel smaller, since it doesn't truly expand upon it. It's always just really derivative, picking up elements, vehicles and so on from the old movies. In a way, it underlines how limited the Star Wars world really is without the EU.

The LOTR books do a great job. You'll read the desciption of a broken statue that the heroes pass by and you get a feeling that this statue, that very place, has a long and rich history. It's not just a throwaway line or paragraph to flesh out the scene, somehow JRR Tolkien managed to portray such things in a way that hinted at more stuff in the background that the reader won't learn about but knows that they are there.

Meanwhile, Star Wars repurposes plotpoint after plotpoint and the viewers get the impression that "this is the only thing going on in this entire galaxy".
TFA was very bad with this. Questions like "Why is there no Republic fleet fighting against the New Order?" pop up and you get no answer - ie: the viewer understands it's not the result of a narrative the viewer hasn't yet learned about but rather just a deliberate choice for the setting and thus pointless. Without the quick glimpse of the Hosnian System being blown up, it would be as if the entire Republic didn't even exist in the entire trilogy up till now. TLJ is even worse. The entire movie takes place in the fleet engagement, Titty-Testicle-Island and Monte Carlo Prime.

The old trilogy had a limited set of locations, too, but they all were new and interesting and thus it fleshed out the setting. The sequels are all just "been there, done that" and nothing new. That makes the whole thing feel so limited and small.

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By "scale" I mean taking everything in that's in-frame, and that's the atmosphere, the environment, the mood.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this was due to endless reshoots. After all, we know that Ron Howard shot a shitton of stuff anew, but in order to save money and time, he didn't do many wideangle shots and possibly less camera-pans.
That makes the whole movie look "narrow" so to speak. You don't get a sense that the world extends further than the very frame that you see. Instead of the impression of a vast galaxy full of spaceships and adventure, you get the feeling the only thing that really exists is that tiny group of people in front of the camera. This might just be subconcious, but it still makes everything feel "small" and "narrow".

Do you know the old movie "How the West was won"? They used 3 cameras and stitched the image together to create an incredibly wide frame and it looks gorgeous. At any time, you can see a shitton of stuff going on not only in the background but also to the sides of the protagonists, which gives you a lot of immersion.
Maybe Solo induced the exact opposite by not using enough wide camera angles and establishing shots/camera pans.
 
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Hollywood Reporter has posted a post-mortem for Solo. Looks like Disney will probably be trying to stagger out the SW movies instead of trying to replicate Marvel's forumla of running a fandom into the fucking ground releasing a different Marvel movie every five or six months.

Not even Hollis tried to sugarcoat Solo's international performance so far, which includes a paltry $10.1 million launch in China. Foreign box-office grosses often make up 65 to 70 percent of a Hollywood tentpole's bottom line. The share for the last three Star Wars films was closer to 50 percent; Solo is looking at a much smaller split.

"We have a lot of work to do in trying to understand this," says Hollis. "We are all over it and will spend a lot of time digging into why things happened the way they did in various markets. We have a year and a half before Episode IX comes out."

That's the silver lining Disney and Lucasfilm are counting on. The J.J. Abrams-directed Episode IX doesn't open in theaters until December 2019, which gives Lucasfilm time to recalibrate before announcing its next moves with the franchise. No other Star Wars pic is set to open before then. And although numerous films are in the works, no Star Wars movies are dated after Episode IX, though December 2020 is an obvious date for the continuation of the series.
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Hollywood Reporter has posted a post-mortem for Solo. Looks like Disney will probably be trying to stagger out the SW movies instead of trying to replicate Marvel's forumla of running a fandom into the fucking ground releasing a different Marvel movie every five or six months.
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The whole bit about “recalibrating” gives me shudders. It says to me “we have no idea where the fuck we’re going in this trilogy, so we’ll do more focus testing and throw some more shit to see what sticks.”

I wonder if they have a script for IX yet?
 
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What's interesting is that Rich and Mike seem to like it okay. They both seemed to enjoy it. Jay was pretty much bored, but two out of three is a pretty decent outcome for the movie.

I'm not really planning on seeing it, but I am surprised the movie hasn't been a complete bomb critically. It seems to be on the upper end of average, which is better than the last movie, but at the same time it's not good that two Star Wars movies in a row have been met with lukewarm to negative reaction. At least Episode I and II made a shitload of money.
 
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friedshrimp said:
Have the sequel lovers given any excuse why they adore and defend the sequel trilogy so much?

Like, not even SJWs like them, finding them racist for turning the minority into buffoons. The original trilogy lovers hate them for desecrating their favorite characters. What do these movies have for the fanboys to defend so much? Are they all just smug Reylo shippers?
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The original trilogy lovers hate the sequels because it makes the original three unnecessary. Just step back from the economics and ask yourself this: What was the point of continuing the Star Wars saga after Luke redeemed Anakin, the Rebels defeated the Empire, and the force is finally balanced?

What Force Awakens, Last Jedi, and eventually Episode 9 do is it makes all those sacrifices and accomplishes the characters made in the original trilogy mean nothing. They made Han and Leia into horrible parents, Luke into a coward after he failed to stop Kylo Ren from turning into the Sith when he could've done the same thing he did with Anakin/Vader, the Empire and Rebels kept fighting.

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The whole bit about “recalibrating” gives me shudders. It says to me “we have no idea where the fuck we’re going in this trilogy, so we’ll do more focus testing and throw some more shit to see what sticks.”

I wonder if they have a script for IX yet?
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It's probably delayed since the original draft wasn't fitting with Kathleen Kennedy and Bob Iger's agenda, so they're making the writers rewrite to make it more of a cluster fuck. Given how narcissistic and retarded they are, I suspect that those two are making Abrams and Chris Terio shove more SJW crap in it.
 
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Watched an "interesting" video that tries to explain what happened when Holdo rammed Snokes HMS Asspull after going into hyperdrive and I just wanted to share the misery:

So, this dude says what caused the damage wasn't the ship itself (according to the books), but rather its experimental shields whose energey somehow continued to travel through the HMS Asspull... which begs the question: Why did Holdo perform a maneuver that should have had no effect if it weren't for the shields that she had no logical way of knowing what they'd do.

It certainly doesn't help that he goes "it's space magic, I don't have to explain shit" afterwards.
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Because Science explains the scene scientifically, which makes it sound more exciting than it would actually look, but it's Hollywood, they like being flashy and shit when trying to do cool things.


Then there's Hipsters that just care that it's a big popular brand and flock to it
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Whoa, wait, when did Hipsters start flocking to popular brands? I thought that went against their narrative? When did this no longer become the case?

I wouldn't be surprised if this was due to endless reshoots. After all, we know that Ron Howard shot a shitton of stuff anew, but in order to save money and time, he didn't do many wideangle shots and possibly less camera-pans.
That makes the whole movie look "narrow" so to speak. You don't get a sense that the world extends further than the very frame that you see. Instead of the impression of a vast galaxy full of spaceships and adventure, you get the feeling the only thing that really exists is that tiny group of people in front of the camera. This might just be subconcious, but it still makes everything feel "small" and "narrow".

Do you know the old movie "How the West was won"? They used 3 cameras and stitched the image together to create an incredibly wide frame and it looks gorgeous. At any time, you can see a shitton of stuff going on not only in the background but also to the sides of the protagonists, which gives you a lot of immersion.
Maybe Solo induced the exact opposite by not using enough wide camera angles and establishing shots/camera pans.
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That makes a lot of sense, yeah. I was going to write it off as George Lucas having a certain style to his cinematography that no one else has tried to imitate, but that all sounds about right.

I've never seen "How the West Was Won", but that's really fucking awesome. God, hearing about how far-and-beyond people went with limited technology/resources just makes me sad that modern movies are too "blessed" to fully appreciate human talent like that. That's why Rian Johnson and crew bragging about how much practical effects TLJ irritates me because it doesn't mean jackshit since that's only part of what makes a movie feel more real, more magical.

And Star Wars in particular is honestly well-known for taking advantage of new technology and make it feel bigger, or even different from other movies of the time. I'm sure it really and truly was a big fucking deal technological-wise when it first came out in the '70s, but I remember how much they pushed the CGI element of the prequels because it was still new at the time. Meanwhile, I can't think of anything in the new sequel trilogy and spin-offs that proves to me they're taking advantage of new technology.

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Granted, it was an 11:30 PM showing for the employees and their guests, and so everyone but us losers were too busy to bother. However, my brother had actually gotten off work earlier than he was scheduled because it wasn't busy. I'd wave this off as "Oh, it's just Monday, people go to the movies more over the weekend", but it was the Memorial Day weekend. And it wasn't that busy. More people were there on Thursday, but he said nothing sold out, still.

EDIT: Slipped my mind that my brother actually did ask a co-worker who was cleaning up the concession stand if she was interested in joining us, but she didn't care about seeing the film. So yeah, not even a free showing sparked interest.

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"We have a lot of work to do in trying to understand this," says Hollis. "We are all over it and will spend a lot of time digging into why things happened the way they did in various markets. We have a year and a half before Episode IX comes out."
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Holy fucking shit, they don't get it. They don't fucking get it. :stress:
 
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Whoa, wait, when did Hipsters start flocking to popular brands? I thought that went against their narrative? When did this no longer become the case?
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Maybe "Hipster" was the wrong word. More like people who mindlessly flock to popular things. Then again, a lot of Hipsters try to pretend they are into nerdy stuff even though that's now mainstream...
 
The spinoffs aren't great because the core movies are too safe. They've relied so hard on the original cast that the universe hasn't grown, over the course of 8 movies. There's not enough marketable characters to carry on solo films. Han, Boba Fett, Obi-wan, and Lando are your best bets but you have to think outside of the box for those characters. The biggest character twist in Solo is how he got his name; otherwise, it's all stuff the character talked about in the original films.

Marvel tends to play it safe, relying on remixed versions of stories that are already popular. When they need to branch out, they go with something like Guardians of the Galaxy, that has affected every MCU movie since its release. They know how to evolve that universe, keep it from being bland.


Let Spike Lee write/direct the Lando movie.
 
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